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I seriously can't understand how anyone wants Mourinho to stay. We are a top club playing repulsive football. That is not even an exaggeration. We had one of the finest LB in Europe and sold him because Mourinho decided Azpi should be starting nearly every game. The fact that Mourinho thinks that is the way forward to go long term by keep playing Ivan at RB and Azpi at LB shows me his approach to football. Bertrand, Luis, who are 2 natural left footed players should never have gone but both sold. Then us being a top club, playing the likes of Liverpool and West Ham who are inferior to us and having Zouma at RB is utterly embarrassing. Just how does that work out? Look at all top teams and see one their biggest strengths is by having 2 natural FB in their correct position.
I mean some people were happy with the point against Spurs. That just sums up Mourinho for me. Another manager would look at the game and look out the difference between points between the 2 and actually try to win the game. But Mourinho was happy to take a point. I just don't get that way of thinking when a club like ours is languishing near the foot of the table.
Then just look at every game we have played this season in the league. We have not stringed 2 consecutive wins together and there has literally not been 1 performance in the league from us this season that has been convincing. That is unacceptable. The club going forward with Mourinho is not getting us anywhere. Losing to a Bournemouth side sums that up. That is literally zero-tolerance. Especially at home. Spurs scored 5 past them away from home. Everton scored 3 past them way from home. City scored 5 past them. We bloody lost to them with virtually our whole team fit. That speaks volumes. Even Villa and Newcastle managed to beat them. LOL and just imagine what Arsenal are going to do to them.
We need someone new just to come in and get us playing how we should and I have watched enough of us to know that Mourinho is not that man. It is actually embarrassing watching what Mourinho has turned us in to.

Well said. Thiat is, I believe, the core of my unwanted frustrating angry emotions towards him. The last thing I want to be is a scaremongering cynic, but him being the coach at our club is so last year (no pun intended). What has happened to us so far this season is no fluke, we've deserved every bit of our losses and draws, and it all comes down to the step-by-step disharmony he has created since he came back. From degrading our own players/staff publicly to the cowardly tactics (the home game against PSG being a fine example), he has managed to make us really become a small horse domestically and in CL football. Luis Enrique had management problems last season at the start of this year, but he had the guts to put his pride behind and collaborate with everyone involved for the sake of the club. Our league position besides, I've come to realise that the so-called stability that people crave is an illusion that should be broken, I'd like to be wrong and start to actually see attacking, intense pressing, flawless and confident football in the coming matches, cause I know that our squad is more than capable of it, but with him at the helm, you get a nagging feeling that that there lurks more disappointments, more unnecessary scandals, boring/uncoordinated attack against ALL kinds of teams and the list goes on.

As an infrequent poster, long time reader, this current situation makes me have to vent. If my views are agreed with or not, that's fine. It's the time to talk.
First off, I love Jose. His time from 04-07 will always be remembered by Chelsea supporters. Our first league title in 50 years, taking us to new heights in the Champions League and becoming the best team in England. We had the likes of Robben, Duff, J.Cole, Makelele, Lampard, Essien, Carvalho, Cech...I could go on. The only downside, was that it seemed like he was setting us up as a robotic unit, a team who would just not be beat and would win even with an unattractive style. But we didn't care, we won and we dominated.
The second time around? Times are different, but still the same in some way. We're still set up as a robotic unit, no style or flair, just go out to win. We have/had some incredibly talented, skillful players with Hazard, Mata, Oscar, De Bruyne Willian and more. Yet, the tactics aren't to their strengths. Why does Hazard need to track back? His duty and his wages are going to him to create chances, and win the game. Are our defenders not trusted enough to deal with the opposition?
The saddest thing, to me about Jose coming back, is that I don't think he is 'one of us'. He never looks happy, even in his first interview back he didn't break one smile. I can't even remember the last time he celebrated a goal.
The name "Jose Mourinho" has lost it's vigor. When a man deemed the Special One has a season like this one, with seemingly losing the dressing room, something needs to be done.
Chelsea Football Club are no longer feared. Coming to Stamford Bridge would be 'bonus' games for the lesser teams, where if they somehow got a point they would go home delighted. Now, no team is afraid to have a go, and believe they can win.
I would get him out. As well as the supposed player who's said they'd rather lose. Whoever it may be, the club is bigger than both of them combined.
We need a fresh face, someone that you can see cares for the team, the fans and the players. We made a huge mistake by letting Ancelotti go, now Roman use your magic to get him back!

What do you expect the players to say in public, that they hate him? Noone would dare say such a thing because he would be crucified the next moment. Actions speak louder that words and i don't see many backing Jose with the way they are playing.

When Jose came back, the question i and many concerned faithfuls asked was how is he going to play his style using Hazard, Oscar and co. who were purposely bought to steer the team towards playing attractive football. The answer we got from him and his worshipers is that he is going to change his style and play attractive football. His first game in charge was against Hull. I watched carefully as the boys played one of the most beautiful game in the first half and by half time we were up by 2 goals. After recess, i was disappointed to see team sitting back to allow Hull to control the game, and you could clearly see that they have been instructed to do so. Then we went to MAN U to play 11 players as defenders against a team that was struggling with Moyes and had zero confidence. The bus continue to be parked in every game till date.
My guess is he managed to convince the board and the players to buy into his philosophy for the first season. In the second season we were playing well until we lost 5-2 to Spurs, which made him activate park-the-bus mode. Unlike the first season when the players were on board the "bus", this time they did not buy into the idea and this manifested in the team's bad performance from January to the end of season. We however managed to win the league because we had little competetion. Come this season Jose decided to continue with the same tactics and this time, the players have not been on board since the beginning of pre-season. The players want to express themselves on the field and they are indirectly telling Jose, but the egomaniac one does not seem to bother. He would rather we loose than play attacking football and our loosing streak will unfortunately continue unless we change the manger or we replace half of the squad with players of Jose's caliber, like Essien, Lampard, Drogba etc. The truth is the first option is much cheaper, feasible and more desirable.

When Jose came back, the question i and many concerned faithfuls asked was how is he going to play his style using Hazard, Oscar and co. who were purposely bought to steer the team towards playing attractive football. The answer we got from him and his worshipers is that he is going to change his style and play attractive football. His first game in charge was against Hull. I watched carefully as the boys played one of the most beautiful game in the first half and by half time we were up by 2 goals. After recess, i was disappointed to see team sitting back to allow Hull to control the game, and you could clearly see that they have been instructed to do so. Then we went to MAN U to play 11 players as defenders against a team that was struggling with Moyes and had zero confidence. The bus continue to be parked in every game till date.
My guess is he managed to convince the board and the players to buy into his philosophy for the first season. In the second season we were playing well until we lost 5-2 to Spurs, which made him activate park-the-bus mode. Unlike the first season when the players were on board the "bus", this time they did not buy into the idea and this manifested in the team's bad performance from January to the end of season. We however managed to win the league because we had little competetion. Come this season Jose decided to continue with the same tactics and this time, the players have not been on board since the beginning of pre-season. The players want to express themselves on the field and they are indirectly telling Jose, but the egomaniac one does not seem to bother. He would rather we loose than play attacking football and our loosing streak will unfortunately continue unless we change the manger or we replace half of the squad with players of Jose's caliber, like Essien, Lampard, Drogba etc. The truth is the first option is much cheaper, feasible and more desirable.

When Jose came back, the question i and many concerned faithfuls asked was how is he going to play his style using Hazard, Oscar and co. who were purposely bought to steer the team towards playing attractive football. The answer we got from him and his worshipers is that he is going to change his style and play attractive football. His first game in charge was against Hull. I watched carefully as the boys played one of the most beautiful game in the first half and by half time we were up by 2 goals. After recess, i was disappointed to see team sitting back to allow Hull to control the game, and you could clearly see that they have been instructed to do so. Then we went to MAN U to play 11 players as defenders against a team that was struggling with Moyes and had zero confidence. The bus continue to be parked in every game till date.
My guess is he managed to convince the board and the players to buy into his philosophy for the first season. In the second season we were playing well until we lost 5-2 to Spurs, which made him activate park-the-bus mode. Unlike the first season when the players were on board the "bus", this time they did not buy into the idea and this manifested in the team's bad performance from January to the end of season. We however managed to win the league because we had little competetion. Come this season Jose decided to continue with the same tactics and this time, the players have not been on board since the beginning of pre-season. The players want to express themselves on the field and they are indirectly telling Jose, but the egomaniac one does not seem to bother. He would rather we loose than play attacking football and our loosing streak will unfortunately continue unless we change the manger or we replace half of the squad with players of Jose's caliber, like Essien, Lampard, Drogba etc. The truth is the first option is much cheaper, feasible and more desirable.

When Jose came back, the question i and many concerned faithfuls asked was how is he going to play his style using Hazard, Oscar and co. who were purposely bought to steer the team towards playing attractive football. The answer we got from him and his worshipers is that he is going to change his style and play attractive football. His first game in charge was against Hull. I watched carefully as the boys played one of the most beautiful game in the first half and by half time we were up by 2 goals. After recess, i was disappointed to see team sitting back to allow Hull to control the game, and you could clearly see that they have been instructed to do so. Then we went to MAN U to play 11 players as defenders against a team that was struggling with Moyes and had zero confidence. The bus continue to be parked in every game till date.
My guess is he managed to convince the board and the players to buy into his philosophy for the first season. In the second season we were playing well until we lost 5-2 to Spurs, which made him activate park-the-bus mode. Unlike the first season when the players were on board the "bus", this time they did not buy into the idea and this manifested in the team's bad performance from January to the end of season. We however managed to win the league because we had little competetion. Come this season Jose decided to continue with the same tactics and this time, the players have not been on board since the beginning of pre-season. The players want to express themselves on the field and they are indirectly telling Jose, but the egomaniac one does not seem to bother. He would rather we loose than play attacking football and our loosing streak will unfortunately continue unless we change the manger or we replace half of the squad with players of Jose's caliber, like Essien, Lampard, Drogba etc. The truth is the first option is much cheaper, feasible and more desirable.

When Jose came back, the question i and many concerned faithfuls asked was how is he going to play his style using Hazard, Oscar and co. who were purposely bought to steer the team towards playing attractive football. The answer we got from him and his worshipers is that he is going to change his style and play attractive football. His first game in charge was against Hull. I watched carefully as the boys played one of the most beautiful game in the first half and by half time we were up by 2 goals. After recess, i was disappointed to see team sitting back to allow Hull to control the game, and you could clearly see that they have been instructed to do so. Then we went to MAN U to play 11 players as defenders against a team that was struggling with Moyes and had zero confidence. The bus continue to be parked in every game till date.
My guess is he managed to convince the board and the players to buy into his philosophy for the first season. In the second season we were playing well until we lost 5-2 to Spurs, which made him activate park-the-bus mode. Unlike the first season when the players were on board the "bus", this time they did not buy into the idea and this manifested in the team's bad performance from January to the end of season. We however managed to win the league because we had little competetion. Come this season Jose decided to continue with the same tactics and this time, the players have not been on board since the beginning of pre-season. The players want to express themselves on the field and they are indirectly telling Jose, but the egomaniac one does not seem to bother. He would rather we loose than play attacking football and our loosing streak will unfortunately continue unless we change the manger or we replace half of the squad with players of Jose's caliber, like Essien, Lampard, Drogba etc. The truth is the first option is much cheaper, feasible and more desirable.

When Jose came back, the question i and many concerned faithfuls asked was how is he going to play his style using Hazard, Oscar and co. who were purposely bought to steer the team towards playing attractive football. The answer we got from him and his worshipers is that he is going to change his style and play attractive football. His first game in charge was against Hull. I watched carefully as the boys played one of the most beautiful game in the first half and by half time we were up by 2 goals. After recess, i was disappointed to see team sitting back to allow Hull to control the game, and you could clearly see that they have been instructed to do so. Then we went to MAN U to play 11 players as defenders against a team that was struggling with Moyes and had zero confidence. The bus continue to be parked in every game till date.
My guess is he managed to convince the board and the players to buy into his philosophy for the first season. In the second season we were playing well until we lost 5-2 to Spurs, which made him activate park-the-bus mode. Unlike the first season when the players were on board the "bus", this time they did not buy into the idea and this manifested in the team's bad performance from January to the end of season. We however managed to win the league because we had little competetion. Come this season Jose decided to continue with the same tactics and this time, the players have not been on board since the beginning of pre-season. The players want to express themselves on the field and they are indirectly telling Jose, but the egomaniac one does not seem to bother. He would rather we loose than play attacking football and our loosing streak will unfortunately continue unless we change the manger or we replace half of the squad with players of Jose's caliber, like Essien, Lampard, Drogba etc. The truth is the first option is much cheaper, feasible and more desirable.

I cannot believe people defending Mourinho (after tonight) are Chelsea fans.
The club I absolutely love is single handedly being destroyed in front of my eyes.
Why? Because we have a delusional manager who thinks we are 'unlucky' - no son, we are lucky we didn't get thrashed 4/5-1
Nothing will change - it's like he is hell bent on a course of action.
For nearly a year our play has been shit - I just cannot believe he has the dressing room, none of our players should be this bad - what the fuck are they doing in training every day?
If this was boxing - it would be like sending your fighter out into the ring and then poking him in both eyes before the bell rang! Suicide. Yet he persists with the same tired formation, the same personnel and expects different results.
He is destroying both our reputation and his own. God knows what goes on his brain but something is fucked...
I can't see Roman putting up with this shit much longer.
Yes as a fan I'm supposed to back the manager and believe everything will be 'happily ever after' - but this is real life and that's a fantasy fairytale. I have backed Mourinho and defended him last season - but this season - jebus - you simply cannot believe the arrogance of the man...

Maureen had a stacked team when he came here with Mata, KDB, Luiz, Luis. Maureen fans were telling us he would never sell Mata and Luiz. He didnt know what to do with them. Think about it for a second. Unreal. He destroyed this team. FUCK OFF JOSE.

When looking for a culprit Jose needs to take a good look in the mirror. It was his rash sales, biased favoring, weird tactics, alienating players, no rotation that made our squad what it is now.
Jose is now facing consequences of team selections based on reputation and past accomplishments rather than current form and meritocracy. When players can be certain that no matter how they perform they will play in the next important game complacency sets in as we are seeing.
The opposite also applies when squad players giving 100% only to come to a realization that no matter how hard they try, how well they play they cannot displace underperforming untouchables they lose interest, focus and they start thinking of their way out.When I'm at it, how pointless most of his transfers have been?
I'm not sure board gave him awfull lot of money, but he got enough funds to play decent football and keep us in the top four. That's consistency, isn't it?
That stellar pressing football team used to play during good times demands two things: big squad and rotation. Former have been sistematically ruined later virtually non exsistent.
And now the reilable first 11 from last year quite often look like shadows of their former selves.

But than again I may be a Chelsea hater cause I refused to see last season wins and trophies as a justification for mediocre football, unimaginative tactics and everything mentioned above.

We play exactly as bad as at the end of last season. The only difference is that now we don't have the luck we had last season and Hazard is not as exceptional as he was then.A great coach should have looked through the luck and the individual brilliance and he should have done something about the problems that were already there.
Because he neglected to do that he should be sacked!
So that is not A small mistake. That is A big mistake and for that he should be sacked!
I never understood why they extended his contract!

He's begging to get sacked either that or he's completely lost the plot. Like I have already said, our luck finally run out. You can't continue getting away with bad performances one after the other. What baffles me the most other than his awful tactics and team selections is his total lack of awarenenes/(he's delusional) and total disregard for common sense. Some of the mistake he is making are simple stuff that anyone with basic common sense shouldn't be making.
Now is the time to take action though, 3 defeats in 5 while playing poorly in every game with the team showing no signs of improvement is absolutely worthy of a sack especially at the top level.

Yeah and for 1 or 2 seasons they might win something - then they will implode like we are doing.
Sadly all this is proving that Jose is not long term - he cannot shape a future and build an empire
There's nothing to suggest youth integration, theres no concept of meritocracy
I don't blame the players for being disillusioned - what fun is it to go on the pitch knowing you will have zero options to be creative and defence is the primary goal.
I bet if Jose fucked off on a sabbatical for 6 months the players would respond and we would be fine
And that in a nutshell to me, means he has lost the dressing room - not in the conventional sense - just in the sense that players can't be arsed with his bullshit - they aint stupid they know Iva needs to be dropped and if the manager is too cowardly to do it - what message does that send!
Yes Cesc and Hazard have been quiet - but Cesc played some nice passes today and Diego fucked all of them up. There's no fluidity to our attacking movement it's just a shambles - we run out of ideas so quick
There's no footballing philosophy in our team and it shows
As much as I hate Wenger - you know he tries the passing game
Ferguson was all about swift attacking football, down the wings and into the box and it worked for him
Us? Fuck knows...

If he's just going to keep Pocking the same players who have been pit of form for a while and whose performance are costing us and if he's not introducing any new ideas band showing great tactical nous and flexibility over the course of a match then what the heck do we need a manager for, especially one that's earning millions. We could hire the handy man at the bridge to do the job. That's how predictable and stale Jose's team selections and tactics have become. How hard can it be to keep picking the same players and keep playing crap football. Even a well trained robot can do that.

For a manager that apparently only cares about winning, he sure values sentimentality a lot. He would rather pick his favourite players even if the chances of it backfiring is significantly higher.

nope. you have got it all wrong.
i have always implied that jose can see and jose does know what the problems are. but despite seeing and knowing he is not making the appropriate changes. hence that has made me question his priorities.
for eg - why was cesc on the pitch today but not pedro. how exactly could a slow and tired and defensively poor cesc be a better option to cover for ivanovic's defensive liablity than pedro?
like i said, makes me question his priorities.
in another post u said that there is no knowing is the alternative would be better. fair enough, but playing zouma as a RB instead of iva who is also basically a CB turned RB does not seem a bad option. also, it does not matter if the alternative is better or not. sometimes, u need to do things just for the sake of it. ivanovic should have been dropped no matter what after his disastorous 2 matches to give him a kick up his backside. instead he seems to have got reassurance that his place is confirmed no matter how shit he performs.
anyone on that has been on this forum can attest to the fact that i was a blind jose follower and before today i would have said and agreed everything that u have said. but unfortunately, jose seems to be not following the things he himself recommends. he says every player must earn his place. infact he has transferred players cos they apparently did not want to fight for their place. but on the other hand, our starting 11 does not seem to have an ounce of merit to it. our starting 11 seems to be fixed no matter what if those ABC players are available.no one is asking for a magic wand moment. i am not asking for bamford, RLC, ake to start getting first team minutes every weekend. all i am asking is that our starting 11 to not be written in stone but have some sense of merit to it.

If i were the the owner of Chelsea with the ambition of developing talents for the team, i would fire Jose immediately for admitting he evaluate young players in 10 min. How can you see a potential in 10 minutes? So he allows older and wash-up players to continue to flop game after game but would not give young players a chance (Drogba in last season and Falcao this season). If he really meant what he said then he is not a good coach. The fact is he has no idea how to groom young players so he always has to rely on established players to execute his way of playing the game.
Well i don't want to believe that his CL victories were fluke.

If i were the the owner of Chelsea with the ambition of developing talents for the team, i would fire Jose immediately for admitting he evaluate young players in 10 min. How can you see a potential in 10 minutes? So he allows older and wash-up players to continue to flop game after game but would not give young players a chance (Drogba in last season and Falcao this season). If he really meant what he said then he is not a good coach. The fact is he has no idea how to groom young players so he always has to rely on established players to execute his way of playing the game.
Well i don't want to believe that his CL victories were fluke.

This is from the comments section from the Guardian. The bloke who wrote it doesn't say who he supports (it's a piece on Fabregas) but he's in my opinion pretty much nailed it.
thebigfeller 22h ago3132On they stutter, doing entirely un-Mourinho-like things (or at least, compared with what we came to expect from him and them in his first spell in England). They'll win the league comfortably: by default as much as anything given the total lack of consistency beneath them. But...
... There's something wrong with Chelsea, and there's something more wrong with Mourinho. Their results and form have been going south ever since his nonsense claims of conspiracies (which he claimed when at Inter, and again at Real Madrid, and again now) began: at a time they were miles clear and walking the league. Since then, we've had:
- A 5-3 thrashing at Spurs who, as a few observers woke up to today, are VERY overrated. They have almost nothing in their side likely to scare anyone of any repute. But this was only the second time a Mourinho team's ever conceded 5
- An unthinkable humiliation at home, against League 1 opposition: and another 4 goals leaked into the bargain
- 3 draws in 4 home games, including against bottom 3 side Burnley. Mourinho teams just never used to do that
- And another draw: which this time eliminated them. Wednesday night's debacle against 10 men. Again, previously unthinkable
Chelsea fans probably won't be bothered by much of this. They're comfortably ahead; it'd take the collapse of all collapses for them not to win the title from here. But while I used to regard the argument that Mourinho didn't know how to coach genuine attacking football as unfair and a caricature, he has simply become a far more fearful, negative coach since being blown asunder 5-0 by Barcelona.
He's almost completely reactive: so obsessed with the opponent and the referee that his teams rarely impose themselves from the outset on anyone. His roboticised approach (good grief, he even SPEAKS like a robot: listen to him, he does) is, I think, at odds with players like Fabregas, as it was with the ludicrously mishandled Mesut Oezil in Madrid.
Not losing big away games is much, much more important to him than winning them: his caution let Man City and Man Utd back in meetings this season, and Chelsea have blown a whole bunch of leads in matches. Why? I think it's stemming from him. I think he makes far more in-game tactical errors than anyone seems to spot; I also think his intensity and obsession with starting fights with everyone exhausts his players.
First time round, Mourinho was as effective at shielding his players from pressure as any manager I've ever seen. I don't think that now. He drains the life out of football matches, but maybe out of his teams too. And his chronic over-use of six core players, despite strengthening the squad hugely last summer, speaks of someone obsessed with loyal lieutenants in whom he entrusts everything - but not trusting many other players (especially young ones). Why?
Two trophies this season will paper over the cracks - and Chelsea fans will laugh at this comment, I'm sure. But something is amiss; the whirlwind's going to blow itself out again. I think it's already doing so.

I am of a strong opinion that Mikel should be sold as early as possible and these are the reasons:
1. He has not improve since he joined the club about 8 years ago, despite having chance upon chance under different managers. Any other club would have sold him long ago.
2. There is a negative observation i have made about all Mikel's competitions within the team, and that observation is that, the players who seem to compete with him for play time strangely pick up long term injuries. Essien had two long term injuries, Romeo sidelined just as he was being picked regularly and MVG had his in his first season. If Mikel stays we shall have another injury to one of the midfielders, and that is how he get his playing time. You may think this is hilarious, but my friends, don't underestimate the ancient African "ways and means" of doing things

I am of a strong opinion that Mikel should be sold as early as possible and these are the reasons:



1. He has not improve since he joined the club about 8 years ago, despite having chance upon chance under different managers. Any other club would have sold him long ago.



2. There is a negative observation i have made about all Mikel's competitions within the team, and that observation is that, the players who seem to compete with him for play time strangely pick up long term injuries. Essien had two long term injuries, Romeo sidelined just as he was being picked regularly and MVG had his in his first season. If Mikel stays we shall have another injury to one of the midfielders, and that is how he get his playing time. You may think this is hilarious, but my friends, don't underestimate the ancient African "ways and means" of doing things

I am of a strong opinion that Mikel should be sold as early as possible and these are the reasons:



1. He has not improve since he joined the club about 8 years ago, despite having chance upon chance under different managers. Any other club would have sold him long ago.



2. There is a negative observation i have made about all Mikel's competitions within the team, and that observation is that, the players who seem to compete with him for play time strangely pick up long term injuries. Essien had two long term injuries, Romeo sidelined just as he was being picked regularly and MVG had his in his first season. If Mikel stays we shall have another injury to one of the midfielders, and that is how he get his playing time. You may think this is hilarious, but my friends, don't underestimate the ancient African "ways and means" of doing things