No, I would never call someone a flop, neither carroll or torres (who is by the way a euro- and-worls cup winner). It depends which style of football the club wants to play in the future, if you could say they were a bad buy ... nothing more. But to call a young man of 28, who has to deal with the pressure of the whole english press on his shoulders and the hate of nearly every liverpool-fan in his neck, a flop is not my style. i would call him a though guy!