Ramires

[capriccioso 2,545]

You already said it your self that ramires isnt best rw

I never said that. I said he wasn't the best player in the world. Lionel Messi is and he's not a right winger.

Besides, you forget that we're Chelsea. We don't have to play Clasicos twice a season so unlike Real and Barcelona we don't have to stack our squad with a world XI. All we need are a few good players that can beat Man City and Man United.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

I never said that. I said he wasn't the best player in the world. Lionel Messi is and he's not a right winger.

Well then i say that. Ramires wont be starting rw, just let time prove me right. Theres nothing more to discuss, i dont care if he can play at rw or rb because i have said he shouldnt and thats that. He has other uses other than being a wannabe winger.

Thats an incomplete team right there, using pieces to hide or cover deficiencies with tape.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Doesnt convince me. All you aspire for is anti football then against a team like barcelona. Aspire for the best instead of putting a fake winger.

and dont put words into my mouth, i didnt assure long term lack of success, it just doesnt convince me that putting him as winger is the best option. Any manager that comes into chelsea will agree.

Let's take this elsewhere. Meet me in http://forum.talkche...890#entry448178

[Spike 12,049]

A necessary evil to remove this black stain off our forums.

"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

I'm done.

[Ramzi 233]

"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

I'm done.

Lol, awesome

Argument over.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Run away lads, let the real men talk about football here.

[Blue Armour 4,158]

You already said it your self that ramires isnt best rw or rb, that was my point and you conceded. Bring hulk and end it already.

Ramires is a true box-to-box, good in attacks with his runs and great in defense with his tenacity. Never runs out of energy, and can maintain a high tempo when others around him start to fade. (I admit the last bit was borrowed from Fifa 12). Has a strong mentality, the sort of player which, according to Mourinho, belongs to a rare breed. A great option for any strong squad. Can be utilized in a number of positions.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Ramires is a true box-to-box, good in attacks with his runs and great in defense with his tenacity. Never runs out of energy, and can maintain a high tempo when others around him start to fade. (I admit the last bit was borrowed from Fifa 12). Has a strong mentality, the sort of player which, according to Mourinho, belongs to a rare breed. A great option for any strong squad. Can be utilized in a number of positions.

Good to know, but i will always prefer to have a world class rb, and rw, than a player trying to do that to make up for the lack of it.

Regardless of the current market, its just a point.

I will study ramires more throughly if it makes you feel better when i watch chelsea, ok?

The whole day people have been bragging to me to respect ramires, which i do..

[Blue Armour 4,158]

Good to know, but i will always prefer to have a world class rb, and rw, than a player trying to do that to make up for the lack of it.

Regardless of the current market, its just a point.

I will study ramires more throughly if it makes you feel better when i watch chelsea, ok?

The whole day people have been bragging to me to respect ramires, which i do..

Lol, there's no pressure. Just wanted to introduce you to the "Blue Kenyan", who is very much a central midfielder BTW.

[Steve 10,227]

Alright you lot. If you don't stop the petty arguments you will all receive warning level 1. End it now and discuss the relevant subject.

[bababoom 4,478]

So Ramires....

[CHOULO19 24,332]

To get this back on topic, where do you see Rami playing next season in the 4-2-3-1? On the wing where he played since RDM took charge or centrally despite not being tested there?

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

As good as he is, he doesn't belong on the right wing.

[Spike 12,049]

To get this back on topic, where do you see Rami playing next season in the 4-2-3-1? On the wing where he played since RDM took charge or centrally despite not being tested there?

On the RW or even...(dare I say it?) RB. I dislike him at CM because his technical skills often less a bad taste and he would make life more difficult for his double pivot partner. If he is to be played in the Midfiels I believe a new formation will be necessary, perhaps a return to the 4-3-3 is on the cards? Though Lampard and Mikel did struggle with the 4-3-3 under AVB.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

To get this back on topic, where do you see Rami playing next season in the 4-2-3-1? On the wing where he played since RDM took charge or centrally despite not being tested there?

On the wing if no RW is bought. On the bench if a RW is bought. Although he could/should be played centrally. I think 4-3-3 should be given another go. With Ramires, Mikel/Romeu and one of Cabaye/Modric/Moutinho/Sahin in midfield.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I think Rami's ideal position is CM in 4-3-3. In a double pivot role, however, I have my doubts over him because of his passing skills and his forward runs will make life much difficult for Mikel (the player next to him). Though he has never been tried there so he could prove me wrong. I can't see him at rightback either because he simply doesn't have the experience to play there.

I think RDM has a lot to try during pre-season.

[Jase 43,479]

On the RW or even...(dare I say it?) RB. I dislike him at CM because his technical skills often less a bad taste and he would make life more difficult for his double pivot partner. If he is to be played in the Midfiels I believe a new formation will be necessary, perhaps a return to the 4-3-3 is on the cards? Though Lampard and Mikel did struggle with the 4-3-3 under AVB.

But they did just fine under previous managers with the 4-3-3. Problem with AVB's 4-3-3 is that he wanted to play an open expansive attacking football, adopting a high defensive line and press all over the pitch. As long as we avoid playing that again, we will be fine. Just go back to the slightly more conservative Mourinho/Hiddink/Ancelotti's 4-3-3 if you like if we are to use it.

[capriccioso 2,545]

I like the 4-2-3-1 more than 4-3-3. That double screen in front of the defence is great and helps our stability.