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Jason

closed Chelsea 3-3 Southampton

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Man of the Match   19 members have voted

  1. 1. Who is your Man of the Match?

    • Kepa
      2
    • Azpilicueta
      0
    • Christensen
      0
    • Zouma
      0
    • Chilwell
      1
    • Kante
      0
    • Jorginho
      0
    • Mount
      0
    • Havertz
      0
    • Pulisic
      0
    • Werner
      16
    • Ziyech (sub)
      0
    • James (sub)
      0
    • Abraham (sub)
      0

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10 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

If we're going to blame individuals for mistakes, that's one thing. But it looks like there are different individuals vying for that every weekend. 

Against West Brom it was Silva and Alonso.

Today, you could also argue that Havertz, who otherwise played well up front., imagined that he was back in the Bundesliga when he sloppily gave up possession for the first goal, and lost his man (Walcott) for the their 3rd goal.

You can blame it on individual errors for the odd upset, or if it's the same repeat offenders.

Not sure that applies to us anymore. It doesnt seem that simple 

You're right. All these individual mistakes seem to happen on a weekly basis, which seems to suggest a deeper malaise in the team. Even if it's not entirely wrong, the "individual mistakes" reason feels like a cheap cop-out at this point. 

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You're right. All these individual mistakes seem to happen on a weekly basis, which seems to suggest a deeper malaise in the team. Even if it's not entirely wrong, the "individual mistakes" reason feels like a cheap cop-out at this point. 

Or it means that those individual mistakes are caused by players that are just not good enough. Kepa is just not good enough and he will always make mistakes like that.  

And if it is a deeper problem like you say, that would mean Kepa and the players should not be blamed for their individual mistakes and it should all be Lampards fault.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Or it means that those individual mistakes are caused by players that are just not good enough. Kepa is just not good enough and he will always make mistakes like that.

And if it a deeper problem like you say, that would mean Kepa and the players should not be blamed for their individual mistakes and it should all be Lampards fault.

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We see the same individuals make mistakes on a regular basis but who is the one that keeps picking them to play? Moreover, no player is perfect and players should be set up in a system where their strengths are highlighted and mistakes are minimized but we are seeing more of the latter than the former. The manager's job is also to iron out mistakes from players - as much as possible, if not to next to zero - and if they are still making mistakes, then they really should be binned and not allowed near the team again. But if they are, then only one person is responsible for that because he picks the team.

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We see the same individuals make mistakes on a regular basis but who is the one that keeps picking them to play? Moreover, no player is perfect and players should be set up in a system where their strengths are highlighted and mistakes are minimized but we are seeing more of the latter than the former. The manager's job is also to iron out mistakes from players - as much as possible, if not to next to zero - and if they are still making mistakes, then they really should be binned and not allowed near the team again. But if they are, then only one person is responsible for that because he picks the team.
And what system makes Kepa or Caba better? It is about making a system, which suits the maximum amount of squad members. In my opinion, guys like Kepa, Caba, Alonso etc. Will never be good enough. Liverpool can't fix Adrian's faults and we will see how good they are without VVD. Because they have according to most Fans a world class system in every regard. So defensive problems should not occur

Havertz will make this kind of mistake couple of times more because he still is in Bundesliga mode. I am also pretty sure Hazard and Willian also made those kind of mistakes in the past.

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For all the doom and gloom we are two points off Liverpool who are 2nd.

Doesn't look like we will have a 90+ season this year (if Van dijk is out for long)

Would wait a few weeks before writing us off honestly. The basis is there for a team that can win most of the games in this league

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14 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

And what system makes Kepa or Caba better? It is about making a system, which suits the maximum amount of squad members. In my opinion, guys like Kepa, Caba, Alonso etc. Will never be good enough. Liverpool can't fix Adrian's faults and we will see how good they are without VVD. Because they have according to most Fans a world class system in every regard. So defensive problems should not occur

You're sorely mistaken if you think this is about the goalkeepers only when it comes to the system.

14 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Havertz will make this kind of mistake couple of times more because he still is in Bundesliga mode. I am also pretty sure Hazard and Willian also made those kind of mistakes in the past.

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10 minutes ago, Strike said:

For all the doom and gloom we are two points off Liverpool who are 2nd.

Doesn't look like we will have a 90+ season this year (if Van dijk is out for long)

Would wait a few weeks before writing us off honestly. The basis is there for a team that can win most of the games in this league

But that doesn't tell the whole story, does it?

Liverpool have had a tougher opening 5 games compared to us and they are the ones who gotten more points out of it. 

And mind you, we are only 2 points ahead of Man United, who are supposedly very shit under Solskjaer. Lose to them next weekend and we'll be behind them...

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17 minutes ago, Jason said:

But that doesn't tell the whole story, does it?

Liverpool have had a tougher opening 5 games compared to us and they are the ones who gotten more points out of it. 

And mind you, we are only 2 points ahead of Man United, who are supposedly very shit under Solskjaer. Lose to them next weekend and we'll be behind them...

And they have a game in hand too.

We shouldn't be on our 2nd 3-3 draw 5 games into the season... a worrying sign really. 

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20 minutes ago, Jason said:

But that doesn't tell the whole story, does it?

Liverpool have had a tougher opening 5 games compared to us and they are the ones who gotten more points out of it. 

And mind you, we are only 2 points ahead of Man United, who are supposedly very shit under Solskjaer. Lose to them next weekend and we'll be behind them...

Yeah it doesn't but saying that despite our struggles at the start, there's no breakaway in the league like last year and we are stronger (having spent 200m) 

 

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2 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

And they have a game in hand too.

We shouldn't be on our 2nd 3-3 draw 5 games into the season... a worrying sign really. 

I still think the performances will settle down and our games will stop being basketball matches. Still fancy Chelsea hovering close to the top 

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10 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yeah it doesn't but saying that despite our struggles at the start, there's no breakaway in the league like last year and we are stronger (having spent 200m) 

That is still no excuse to be dropping points in 3-3 (THREE-THREE!) draws against the likes of West Brom and Southampton...

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14 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

And they have a game in hand too.

Oh right. That makes this even shittier then.

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

That is still no excuse to be dropping points in 3-3 (THREE-THREE!) draws against the likes of West Brom and Southampton...

Yes true but the potential is there for massive improvement with Werner, Havertz, Pulisic, Ziyech linking up in attack. 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Yes true but the potential is there for massive improvement with Werner, Havertz, Pulisic, Ziyech linking up in attack. 

No one is questioning that but whether Lampard is the right person to get the best out of those players and the team in the long run remains to be seen.

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Another thing about the defense is they 're not taught to watch after their *ss.
Zouma behaved as if we were 1-0 down and we were into "attack or die" mode.when he made that dangerous pass to the goalkeeper.
He could have quite easily have kicked the ball out for a Southampton corner.

 

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14 minutes ago, Jason said:

No one is questioning that but whether Lampard is the right person to get the best out of those players and the team in the long run remains to be seen.

Yes. Not in on the whole Klopp, Pep were given time, Lampard needs to be given time nonsense. 

But we knew we signed a young coach and the hope was he would learn on the job. 

I still think the time to consider this question is later this season. 

 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Yes. Not in on the whole Klopp, Pep were given time, Lampard needs to be given time nonsense. 

But we knew we signed a young coach and the hope was he would learn on the job. 

I still think the time to consider this question is later this season. 

But it doesn't mean we should just blindly give him time if there's no progress. The club knew they got an inexperienced manager but am sure they also expected progress and improvement. 

As I said in the other thread, if we continue to take a step forward and two steps backward in the next 1-2 months, am sure Roman and the board will start asking questions. 

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

I still think the performances will settle down and our games will stop being basketball matches. Still fancy Chelsea hovering close to the top 

Hopefully..cause now we look better in attack but at the back...that will be costly unless it sorted. Where on earth was Kepa going yesterday?! Its just silly mistakes at the wrong moments.

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I said yesterday that Kepa was not at fault. Looking again at the game, I have changed my mind.

First goal, he could have done better if he was a very good GK. And he didn't.

Second goal, massive howler from Kepa for sure. Back-pass from Zouma was extremely poor but he messed up, that second goal should have never happened.

Third goal: was he sleepy? A good GK would have managed that.

I have enough of Kepa! 

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