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closed Chelsea 0-2 Liverpool

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Man of the Match   17 members have voted

  1. 1. Who is your Man of the Match?

    • Kepa
      2
    • James
      1
    • Zouma
      1
    • Christensen
      0
    • Alonso
      0
    • Jorginho
      0
    • Kovacic
      0
    • Kante
      2
    • Werner
      8
    • Havertz
      0
    • Mount
      0
    • Tomori (sub)
      3
    • Abraham (sub)
      0
    • Barkley (sub)
      0

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I read Liverpool FC forum for this matchup this morning. Some LIVERPOOL IS THE GREATEST posting. Some members had some valid criticisms of our team and theirs. It was a decent read.

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I'm not entirely sure the sample size is anywhere big enough to say its down to the fitness coaches we are having several issues. Ziyech was barely here 2 mins and was a non contact injury. Kante played injured during the Europa final and has had niggles ever since. Chillwell signed injured. Loftus cheek an old injury.

Pulisic is the one I'd say potentially may have been mishandled but he seems one of those players who are always injury prone.

So I don't think our injury record is anything crazy and is down to anything other than variance and being unlucky. Now if we get new issues keep popping up over the next couple of years then some people may have a point.

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Explaining Liverpool’s defensive failings: it’s a worrying pattern not a one-off

https://theathletic.com/2057485/2020/09/13/liverpool-defensive-problems-leeds/

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Ultimately, Jurgen Klopp could afford to chuckle about a crazy, chaotic opening day thriller at Anfield. “Wow, a proper spectacle,” declared the grinning Liverpool boss. “We left space for improvement in our defending — let me say it like this!”

His demeanour would have been very different but for Mohamed Salah’s late winner from the penalty spot which got the Premier League champions up and running in unconvincing fashion. No wonder players and staff rushed to mob the Egyptian attacker, who sparkled throughout and left Anfield with the matchball safely tucked under his arm. Forget scrawled messages of congratulations, there should have been an array of thank yous. Salah spared their blushes.

Klopp was quick to praise Leeds United for the part they played in forcing the glaring defensive errors which blighted Liverpool’s performance. It’s rare to see any visiting team, let alone a newly promoted club, show such ambition at Anfield. At times the hosts looked genuinely rattled by the intensity of Marcelo Bielsa’s dynamic side, who enjoyed more possession (52% to 48%) and attempted more passes (460 to 423).

The Liverpool boss also pointed to the fact that his entire back four had played international football earlier in the week. Preparations were hardly ideal with the squad only reconvening at Melwood three days before the game.

“People say they’ve played 500 games together, but defending is not like riding a bike. You have to work on it constantly,” Klopp says. But it would be wrong to dismiss Saturday as a one-off, a rare aberration or simply opening day rust.

Liverpool’s historic title triumph in 2019-20 was built on rock-solid foundations. It was their ability to keep clean sheets and grind out narrow wins when not at their best which set them apart from Manchester City. When in front, they had both the tactical shape and the nous to control proceedings and see games out.

However, there has been a significant shift. Liverpool conceded just 15 goals in their opening 26 league matches last season (an average of 0.58 per game). From February’s visit of West Ham United onwards, Liverpool have leaked 21 goals in 13 league matches (an average of 1.62 per game). From seemingly impenetrable to porous.

That run has included conceding four at the Etihad, two at the Emirates and three in back-to-back home games (Chelsea and Leeds) for the first time since September 1982.

It was understandable that standards would slip towards the end of last season once the title had been secured, but Liverpool have continued to look vulnerable since.

Why? There have been glaring lapses in concentration coupled with some structural tactical issues. Saturday’s erratic victory contained both.

Klopp wasn’t happy with the positioning of full-backs Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson in the build-up to Leeds’ first goal (below). A high defensive line relies heavily on the organisation and timing being spot on.

“Both were deeper than the centre-halves and that should never happen in football,” he said. Alexander-Arnold was caught napping by Kalvin Phillips’ lofted pass and Jack Harrison was able to get away from him far too easily and skip past Joe Gomez too before finishing emphatically.

But it all started with Phillips being allowed too much time on the ball. Liverpool’s press let them down with Roberto Firmino easily bypassed and no one backing up the Brazilian, who struggled to impose himself on the game.

It was a similar tale for the second goal with Leeds allowed to build play unchallenged before Virgil van Dijk made a hash of a high ball in behind and Patrick Bamford accepted the gift (below). The Dutch centre-back was far too casual but Alisson could have been more decisive by dealing with the danger himself.

“Unfortunately, a goal came out of it but I don’t worry about that,” Van Dijk says. “We’ll take the good things with us, but more importantly the bad things as well. There was a lot of running, a lot of one-v-one and counter-attacks. It was something we expected and trained for. They will give a lot of trouble to many teams in the league with the way they play.”

Leeds’ third goal was another catalogue of errors. Alexander-Arnold’s misplaced throw handed possession to Stuart Dallas, the gap between Gomez and Van Dijk was far too big and the intelligent run of Mateusz Klich into the space wasn’t tracked by either Georginio Wijnaldum or Curtis Jones as the Pole hammered home Helder Costa’s delivery.

Three shots on target, three goals. It could have been worse. Alexander-Arnold puffed out his cheeks in relief as the offside flag went up after he had nodded into his own net. Liverpool were carved open too easily and too frequently. Collectively, from front to back, their work off the ball wasn’t good enough.

There is a personnel issue to address before October’s transfer deadline. Another senior centre-back is a must given that Dejan Lovren hasn’t been replaced since his summer move to Zenit Saint Petersburg. They need greater competition for places in that department. Fabinho, who won the decisive penalty after impressing off the bench, is too important as the midfield shield to be used as a makeshift centre-back.

“We can do better, we should have done better and we will do better,” vowed Klopp.

A full week on the training field at Melwood should certainly help. There is much to sort out with Chelsea away and Arsenal at home on the horizon. Fail to tighten up and Christian Pulisic, Kai Havertz and Timo Werner will have a field day at Stamford Bridge.

When Klopp declared that Liverpool would attack rather than defend the title, some may have taken his words too literally.

Thanks to Salah, they got away with it on Saturday but it’s not sustainable. Rediscovering that steely edge is vital for the battles ahead.

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4 hours ago, Azul said:

I don't think our attack is up for this game without Pulisic and Ziyech. Werner is the only person I'm confident in, Havertz still needs to settle in. CHO, and Mount both looked bad in their past few games and don't get me started on RLC. 

This is why we should start our maybe best player from February to July Giroud! He scored twice against them last season and one more time with Conte. He bullied VVD many times.

CHO was also good at Anfield last time. Move Havertz to AM. I feel bad to drop one of Kante, Jorgi, Kova but two of them should play deeper in pivot.

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9 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

This is why we should start our maybe best player from February to July Giroud! He scored twice against them last season and one more time with Conte. He bullied VVD many times.

CHO was also good at Anfield last time. Move Havertz to AM. I feel bad to drop one of Kante, Jorgi, Kova but two of them should play deeper in pivot.

I agree that could be our best line up for sure

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If we want the PL trophy we must beat Liverpool,is a must win match . Also we need the win to gain  confidence. 

My starting 11:

                       Werner 

mount.            Havertz.              Odoi    
 

                  Kovacic kante 

 

Alonso.     Christensen. Zouma.  James 

                       
                    Kepa 

 

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2 hours ago, !Hazard! said:

Also, Willy and Giroud must start. 

Dropping Kepa after one game? Get real...

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If Werner, Havertz, and CHO (if he starts) show up to play, we have a chance but will be a goal festival like last time. Liv is beatable as Leeds has just demonstrated

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On 9/14/2020 at 8:50 PM, Blue Armour said:

Considering today's match, the possible absentees, and the time taken for players to gel, I hope Frank takes the ultra cautious approach and plays on the counter.

We might have to rely on Werner's pace (which could work well against Liverpool dodgy form at the back), and any other runners like Hudson Odoi and Alonso, while packing the midfield and our defensive third.

With Pulisic and possibly Kovacic, in doubt, I feel that's all we can do against them.

Last time I felt so sure about a match, was when I hoped we used 5 at the back when we played Spurs for the first time last season. Thankfully Lampard did exactly that.

Lampards press conference pretty much makes up my mind.

With all the injuries, we need to clog up the midfield, play a low block and hit them on the counter with pace, using Timo and/or CHO/Alonso.

Do NOT allow them to get 3 points.

Already frustrating enough that we are playing 3 out of 5 fixtures against the 'top 6' at home without any full crowds., in the first half of the season.

No need to give them any more handouts.

 

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Me seeing as lads aren't ready

Giroo

Werner Kai CHO

Kova Kante

Dave Jappy AC Reece

Kepa

 

FL

Mount Werner Kai

Barkley Kova Kante

Alonso Happy AC Reece

 

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2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Did you just used pace and Alonso in the same sentence? 🤔

Haha, I was expecting someone to point that out..

he's terrible at recovering from an onrushing attacker, but he can move up the pitch to support an attack alright. 

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2 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

 

he's terrible at recovering from an onrushing attacker, but he can move up the pitch to support an attack alright. 

Nope

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26 minutes ago, Jason said:

Cech will be starting in goal, fellas...

 

Jokes aside, Cech taking over GK training is something I wanted to see for an entire previous season, it's great to see him joining guys on pitch.

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15 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Jokes aside, Cech taking over GK training is something I wanted to see for an entire previous season, it's great to see him joining guys on pitch.

TOTALLY agree. If he cant take a hour or 2 to put on a tracky and get Kepa sorted then theres summet wrong. He should be multi tasking as soon as transfers are sorted.

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I still cannot get over the fact that Hilario is actually the GK coach. That is beyond me.

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