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Tomo

Chelsea's Transfer Targets

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A factor that hasn't been mentioned yet, I think, is that whether we get our main targets in the summer may well depend on where we finish. If we finish in the Top 4, then no issues there (it'll come down to the fee, convincing players to join etc). If we don't, well, there will be problems. 

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The problem is what center back is available in January? 
Koulibaly is in bad form a lot of Reporters in Italy are saying so are Chelsea going to spend big money on 28 going on 29 year old in poor form? 
Ake could improve us or it could be more of the same. 

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Nathan Aké is left footed

Can he be shifted to playing at LB fulltime?

I do not know the answer.

Is he good enough at crosses, dribbling, and pace?

He played 3 games at LB in 2018-19 and one game there this season.

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7 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Nathan Aké is left footed

Can he be shifted to playing at LB fulltime?

I do not know the answer.

Is he good enough at crosses, dribbling, and pace?

He played 3 games at LB in 2018-19 and one game there this season.

One thought that did enter my mind was whether we brought him back in January with the intention of playing centre back long term but for the rest of this season he operated at left back but like you I don't know how comfortable he is playing there.

It's not much of an issue for most players to 'fill in' for a game or two in a different position when needed but playing there regularly, would he be any better than what we already have?

He's an interesting option (at centre back). I personally like him and I do think he has the attributes to make the step up but until you take that punt on some players you don't know. There's a lot of question marks too about bringing somebody in from abroad, especially in January and expecting them to adapt to the league immediately so that brings absolutely no guarantee either.

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4 hours ago, Jason said:

A factor that hasn't been mentioned yet, I think, is that whether we get our main targets in the summer may well depend on where we finish. If we finish in the Top 4, then no issues there (it'll come down to the fee, convincing players to join etc). If we don't, well, there will be problems. 

We did buy Kante the year we weren't in Europe from at the time a Champions League team, and I'm sure other teams would have been in for him.

I think we are at a stage now where there is a pretty reasonable amount of 'pulling power' whether we have the incentive of European football or not. Not the level of pull United might have, but I think targets could still be enticed if they were already interested in a move.

The other thing depending on the profile of player we are after is we should be quite an attractive proposition now for younger players who will look at the group we have and the chances they are being afforded. Although saying that, it's a couple of players in their prime mid 20's we could probably do with buying!

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7 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

 

Lastly, vardy has not played for a top 6 side, probably would never start for one too, does not mean he is not a "brilliant," striker. 

Vardy has been the CF for a title winning side and is now the striker for the 2nd place team (and the only side with a even a remote chance to catch the dippers)

in his current form he would start for all but a few (VERY few) clubs

he is streets ahead (strictly speaking of the present) in terms of returns of Lacazette and Arse plays 2 strikers at times

he would start for Manure (they are starting Martial as their CF)

he would be devastating on Shitty, although would not bench a healthy Aguero atm

if Vardy was 23 to 26yo and in the same form he is now, he would go for £150m plus now (English, tracking to 35 plus league goals, relentless, sniper, so pacey (even at 32 he is still so fast)

 

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Don't make stupid January purchases!
It's a miracle to get a good deal in January.

If necessary, if possible, a smart loan.

All of Europe is waiting for our wallet right now.
Let's not be impulsive.

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Latest on Sancho...

https://theathletic.com/1422975/2019/12/09/gladbach-win-sends-out-message-to-the-entire-bundesliga-bayerns-stranglehold-on-the-title-is-finally-coming-to-an-end/

In Westphalia, 81,000 fans witnessed another “San-show” (copyright Bild). The 19-year-old scored two goals and made another to put a dampener on rumours of a breakdown in relations between him and Lucien Favre.

It’s true that the Swiss manager had suspended the winger for a Bundesliga game after he had returned late from England duty in October, and he had also benched him for the first half in the 3-1 away defeat to Barcelona, explaining that he needed players who were “focused”. Yet Dortmund are bemused by suggestions that Sancho has felt victimised by the coach.

According to a source close to the dressing room, Favre had actually been prepared to overlook the minor infringement in the Catalan capital — Sancho had only been three minutes late to a meeting — but was urged to drop the youngster from the starting line-up by leading members of the dressing room.

“They felt that as a point of principle, his ill-discipline needed to be addressed, but without banishing him altogether,” a source told The Athletic. This explains why Mats Hummels approvingly spoke of Sancho having shown “a good reaction” after coming on in the second half at the Camp Nou.

Some staff members would like to see Sancho make more of an effort to fulfil non-sporting duties but there’s a realisation that his time at Signal Iduna Park is coming to an end next summer. Dortmund expect a bidding war by the Premier League’s leading clubs as his performances become more consistent, which is one of the reasons why it’s not in their interest to sell right now. A Christian Pulisic-type sale and lease-back arrangement like the €67 million deal that kept the Chelsea-bound American for a further six months in black and yellow colours in 2018-19 is seen as a theoretical option but also undesirable.

The odd problem with punctuality notwithstanding, Sancho is considered so important in the title race, and for Borussia reaching the existential target of fourth spot, that his departure in January is all but impossible. According to a source close to the club, BVB would only consider accepting “an astronomical bid” approaching €200 million to let him go in the winter transfer window.

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45 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

We did buy Kante the year we weren't in Europe from at the time a Champions League team, and I'm sure other teams would have been in for him.

I think we are at a stage now where there is a pretty reasonable amount of 'pulling power' whether we have the incentive of European football or not. Not the level of pull United might have, but I think targets could still be enticed if they were already interested in a move.

The other thing depending on the profile of player we are after is we should be quite an attractive proposition now for younger players who will look at the group we have and the chances they are being afforded. Although saying that, it's a couple of players in their prime mid 20's we could probably do with buying!

I'm not saying it's impossible but it'll certainly make the signing a lot tougher to get, especially if there are a lot of clubs after the same player. 

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200 millions.
Hahahaha

They want someone even more stupid than Barcelona when it was for Dembele.

 

P.S. And Dortmund never will win the title this year.

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1 hour ago, BDTips said:

200 millions.
Hahahaha

They want someone even more stupid than Barcelona when it was for Dembele.

 

P.S. And Dortmund never will win the title this year.

agreed

and the only player on the planet worth £200m+ is Mbappe, but his salary demands will be nearer to Messi-level than they are to Hazard-level, so his total 5 year price, IF you got him for ,£250m or so in total transfers fees would be half a billion quid if he accepted 1 million quid per week.

Messi makes CRAZY money in salary, bonuses and add-ons

a little over 100m euros per year (£88.4m)

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1088284/Lionel-Messi-wages-salary-earns-net-worth-Barcelona-contract

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8 hours ago, Jason said:

 

all I want is good faith, HARD attempts to sign (January or in the summer)

1 Sancho (unless Dortmund set his price well above £110 or £120m, if they want £150m or more they can go fuck themselves)  even £110m yields Dortmund atm 131m bloody euros. I SO hope we do NOT buy Zaha if we fail on Sancho, as Palace will never sell him for a fair price (40m or so) and even if we get him for around 50m, I have major doubts on him, he is playing like trash this year (tracking to 5 league goals, five league assists on a team that if they had won and not drawn with the horrid Watford side (he was rotten in that game), would be tied for the FIFTH most points in the EPL, trailing only us, Shitty, Leicester and the Dippers)

2 Chilwell (and if we fail I beg the club to buy either Telles (£33.5m RC) or Grimaldo (£50m RC) as Gaya is too expensive (£84m RC) and the drop-off after those 4 is massive atm in terms of players actually available, and even if EVERY SINGLE LB in Europe were available, the only names to add who are WC or at least a huge upgrade would be Robertson, David Alaba, Júnior Firpo, and Ferland Mendy, as Alex Sandro turns 30 in 13 months, and Jordi Alba is 31 in a few months..........MAYBE you could possibly add Sergio Reguilón (on loan at Sevilla from Real Madrid)

3 Werner and/or Håland  (crazy low COMBINED release clauses of only £42m for both) after them it is even more of  a crapshoot and the prices SKYROCKET

4 Romagnoli (try in January at least then in summer)  OR Skriniar (summer only is possible) OR Konate (again he can only be had in summer) to replace Zouma, AC can be sold and we buy Ake for around the same price as AC will fetch (maybe 5m additional max) Ruben Dias now has a 100m euro release clause, so he is off the table IMHO

extra:

5 A real crunching DMF-type (Thomas Partey with a low £42m release clause looks a steal) or barring that, a hybrid type like Camavinga (my personal choice) but I think this position will wait until 2021 unless a great deal comes along

 

I am not even going to get into the weeds or RB and Azpi, that subject has been beaten to death and a backup RB is the amongst the least of our worries atm, all I will say is I never want to see him at LB ever again, he is shambolic there

 

 

 

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Nathan Aké is left footed
Can he be shifted to playing at LB fulltime?
I do not know the answer.
Is he good enough at crosses, dribbling, and pace?
He played 3 games at LB in 2018-19 and one game there this season.


I have seen Ake play at LB when he went out on loan and he is a decent LB, but not a world class one. He can cross, has decent speed but he is not the best dribbler at LB, if I remember it right. But he was very good at defending. Very intelligent positional play and he won most of his tackles.

I like Ake at CB apart from the fact that he is a little bit small for CB. If he was 5 cm taller,he would be perfect for us. The good thing about Ake is that he has a high Level of football IQ. Lamps has to see if he likes his profile

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Why Chelsea should avoid signing Wilfried Zaha

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/club-news/why-chelsea-should-avoid-signing-wilfried-zaha/

Chelsea reportedly still holds an interest in Crystal Palace winger Wilfried Zaha and may make a move as early as January. Should Chelsea be targeting him though? Here is why Chelsea should avoid signing Zaha.

The bare numbers are always a good place to start. In 15 Premier League starts for Crystal Palace this season, the Ivorian has managed just two goals and one assist. Last season, in 34 appearances, the 27-year-old managed 10 goals and five assists.

Last season’s numbers are relatively impressive considering that Zaha is playing round a team that does not possess the quality that Chelsea does. However, his numbers this season will be of concern for those involved at Stamford Bridge.

If you compare Zaha’s numbers with those in Blue this season, it puts into question why Chelsea would go after the Ivorian.

Christian Pulisic, Chelsea’s summer arrival from Dortmund, has three more goals and one more assist than Zaha in five fewer starts. Willian, a player whose time at the club may be coming to an end, has also managed greater returns. He has scored the same number of goals as Zaha but provided two more assists in 11 league starts.

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

all I want is good faith, HARD attempts to sign (January or in the summer)

1 Sancho (unless Dortmund set his price well above £110 or £120m, if they want £150m or more they can go fuck themselves)  even £110m yields Dortmund atm 131m bloody euros. I SO hope we do NOT buy Zaha if we fail on Sancho, as Palace will never sell him for a fair price (40m or so) and even if we get him for around 50m, I have major doubts on him, he is playing like trash this year (tracking to 5 league goals, five league assists on a team that if they had won and not drawn with the horrid Watford side (he was rotten in that game), would be tied for the FIFTH most points in the EPL, trailing only us, Shitty, Leicester and the Dippers)

2 Chilwell (and if we fail I beg the club to buy either Telles (£33.5m RC) or Grimaldo (£50m RC) as Gaya is too expensive (£84m RC) and the drop-off after those 4 is massive atm in terms of players actually available, and even if EVERY SINGLE LB in Europe were available, the only names to add who are WC or at least a huge upgrade would be Robertson, David Alaba,  Júnior Firpo, and Ferland Mendy, as Alex Sandro turns 30 in 13 months, and Jordi Alba is 31 in a few months..........MAYBE you could possibly add Sergio Reguilón (on loan at Sevilla from Real Madrid)

3 Werner and/or Håland  (crazy low COMBINED release clauses of only £42m for both) after them it is even more of  a crapshoot and the prices SKYROCKET

4 Romagnoli (try in January at least then in summer)  OR Skriniar (summer only is possible) OR Konate (again he can only be had in summer) to replace Zouma, AC can be sold and we buy Ake for around the same price as AC will fetch (maybe 5m additional max) Ruben Dias now has a 100m euro release clause, so he is off the table IMHO

extra:

5 A real crunching DMF-type (Thomas Partey with a low £42m release clause looks a steal) or barring that, a hybrid type like Camavinga (my personal choice) but I think this position will wait until 2021 unless a great deal comes along

 

I am not even going to get into the weeds or RB and Azpi, that subject has been beaten to death and a backup RB is the amongst the least of our worries atm, all I will say is I never want to see him at LB ever again, he is shambolic there

I don't understand why anybody has not brought Alex Telles if his release clause is that. I haven't seen much of him but from what I understand he is very highly rated.

Is somebody like Chilwell worth more than double him? The Portuguese league may not be the greatest of benchmarks but in today's market, his release clause seems a risk worth taking.

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About Chilwell. Even if we pay 80 mio. to Leicester, why should he leave in winter when his team is currently on such a high form? They are  the closest rivals to Pool at the moment

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23 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I don't understand why anybody has not brought Alex Telles if his release clause is that. I haven't seen much of him but from what I understand he is very highly rated.

Is somebody like Chilwell worth more than double him? The Portuguese league may not be the greatest of benchmarks but in today's market, his release clause seems a risk worth taking.

Chilwell will cost £40-50m more, so I tend to agree IF money is going to limit us (which IF we do not drop £120m or so on Sancho and also do NOT sign any CB but Ake (which is a nightamre outcome for me) then there is ZERO reasons to not pay the iron price for Chilwell, especially if we snag Werner for only £25m or Hålandwho si only £17m for our CF

lets say we bag Håland (17m)

and make no move for any CB save for Ake (so so fucking foolish but this is just a 'for example') (40m)

and then say we spend £60-70m on a winger (so no Sancho) (70m)

that is only £117-127m total spent so far

with that amount and then take into account revenues (if we close out all the dregs on loan and then sell AC and Alonso, Barkely, etc dregs from the current 25-man squad) fucking around £450-500m net in transfer revenue (counting Hazard, Morata, etc etc etc etc etc fom the past multiple windows and then this January/Summer 2020 sales and subtracting out Pulisic and Kovacic)

anyway you slice that

we have the goddamn money to buy Chilwell AND a top CB as well (as that is only around £150-160m more for both) on top of the first 3 buys, it is pure gaslighting to say we do not

if we did that (buy Chilwell and say Romagnoli) its still leaves around £200m (£250m IF we buy Telles and not Chilwell) or so in net PROFIT (strictly counting only transfer fees and loan fees) when you count up the multiple windows (which some here will call bollocks on but I do not roll that way, as the bloody  money doesn't disappear and also FFP is over a rolling 3 year window)

 

if we do fail and just cap it at around 150 to 200m  (if even that high) TOTAL spend for January AND summer that will not shock me, as all I have been lead to believe (new info in the last month or so) tells me the club is now in a pure wealth extraction mode, not a spend and invest large amount of money mode

 

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Obviously, for this window we probably are not going to get Sancho as Dortmund have a fight on their hands for fourth. Only way it may be possible is if he has some sort of clause in his contract that can be activated. That said, I am fairly confident he will come here, unless both CHO and Pulisic do some sort of magic trick that CR7 pulled off in the 06-07 season where he went from very good to insane. 

As for transfers in this window I think there are only four viable candidates and that is: Ake, Werner, Haaland and Telles. The reason for this is due to the first three have well documented reasonable/low buy outs, which means no p*ssing about with the clubs and just getting a deal with the player, whilst Telles is in his final 18 months and Porto are a selling club. Obviously, Werner and Haaland are going to be tough as everyone wants them, my money is on Werner to Munich and Haaland to Utd, but we should try at least. That would leave us with Ake and Telles which would be ok if not amazing as both of those players would improve their respective positions; although I must admit I am not entirely sold on Ake. 

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