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Tomo

Chelsea's Transfer Targets

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LOLOLOL

the biggest SCAM club in the world

the biggest game playing, lying, thieving cunts in the world

Real is just a pain and stupid and try to buy every player

Bayern are just ruthless, and they are cunts for always tapping up players, so they are high on my hate list

PSG I actually like (I know all hate them here), they are a real football club as they develop a shedload of great youth players, most hate them becuase they have hundreds of billions backing them

Barca is Barca (and also spends foolish money, just not like Real)

but

a club that truly makes Italians look like stereotypical mafia twats

lolol

Juve

they are even trying to FUCK Barca, just like they FUCKED us for YEARS

I hope they burn, I think they are starting to top Real on my most hated foreign club list

Barca is now INSANE if they do THIS deal

 

If Pjanic leaves, Juventus would want Arthur not Semedo from Barcelona

https://theathletic.com/1821341/2020/05/19/horncastle-pjanic-arthur-barcelona-swaps-transfers/

Shortly after his appointment at Juventus, Maurizio Sarri set Miralem Pjanic a target. He wanted the Bosnian to dictate the play from midfield and have an even greater influence on the team’s style than he enjoyed under Massimiliano Allegri. The aim was for Pjanic to take 150 touches a game in a quick-passing, possession-heavy side. At the time the pandemic stopped play, Juventus’ deep-lying playmaker had broken the 100-touch barrier six times in all competitions; his high of 138 in the 4-0 win over Cagliari in January still falling short of the pre-season goal set by his new coach. The number was arbitrary. Sarri simply wished to convey his desire to make Pjanic central to the way Juventus would play in this brave new era.

As speculation mounts about the former Lyon and Roma playmaker’s future in Turin, it’s legitimate to ask what, if anything, has changed in the meantime. Why appear open to letting Pjanic go when he incarnates your new coach’s philosophy?

Since day one last summer, Sarri has always said it’s up to him to change — the coach must adapt to Juventus, not the other way round. While his opinions and recommendations are taken on board, the club has to strike a balance between what’s best for the team and the business. On the one hand, Pjanic is the midfielder in their squad best suited to Sarri’s brand of football. Instead of selling him, one could argue, Juventus need to build around his metronomic playing style and add more complementary skill players either side.

On the other, Pjanic is now 30, he earns €7 million a year net, his book value has practically been amortised and his value has doubled since his €32 million move to the Allianz Stadium three and a half years ago. Rodrigo Bentancur has also impressed Sarri enough this season to make him think the Uruguayan has a future in front of the defence.

In short, there’s a tidy profit to be made from shifting Pjanic out and, as was the case in the 1990s, if an offer for one of the team’s stars arrives that satisfies both club and player, Juventus will give it consideration.

The exciting performance of a Pjanic-less midfield in Juventus’ most recent game, a 2-0 win over Inter Milan in the Derby d’Italia, continues to echo, although it would be wrong to say the club hierarchy would let a single 90-minute display affect their decision-making.

What is on Juventus’s mind is the impact of the pandemic on the industry, its effect on club revenues and the consequences on transfer strategy. The sales of Emre Can, Mario Mandzukic and Han Kwang-song in January, as well as the players’ swift decision to waive four months’ wages and save the club €90 million, eased the strain on the accounts. Nevertheless, with the season unfinished, the last installment of TV rights unpaid and the prospect of no match-day revenue for the foreseeable future with games due to take place behind closed doors in the event of a restart, prudence is inevitable.

As Juventus’s chief football officer Fabio Paratici told Sky: “It’s clear to everyone that there will be less cash.” He foresees loans that will be longer in duration. “If you can’t buy a house, you rent.” As well as an “NBA-style” transfer window of ‘scambi’ — swap deals to us here in Europe, trades in US sports. “This formula will be used a lot to dilute the payments and to be able to benefit from (new) players.”

At a time when spending power is diminished, player exchanges and the capital gains deriving from them could be king, as they may provide a way of protecting pre-COVID 19 transfer values. Higher profile swaps than the ones we habitually see within Italy may well now become a more regular feature of international business between clubs in Europe’s top five leagues. Juventus already swapped Joao Cancelo for Manchester City’s Danilo (and €28.6m) last summer and were in talks with Paris Saint-Germain to trade Mattia De Sciglio for Layvin Kurzawa over the winter. In January they sent one of their under-23s players, Matheus Pereira, to Barcelona B for €8 million (four times what Juventus paid Empoli for him in 2017) and received Alejandro Marques in return for €8.2 million.

Reports originating in the Catalan media claiming that a deal had been agreed for Portuguese full-back Nelson Semedo to move from Barcelona to Juventus, with Pjanic, De Sciglio and €25 million going the other way, are untrue, a source told The Athletic.

In the event Pjanic leaves, a replacement will be sought irrespective of Bentancur’s potential as a deep-lying playmaker. Procuring one without a trade would be prohibitively expensive — players of Pjanic’s ilk are rare — which explains why Juventus have expressed a preference for Arthur in exchange as the 23-year-old Brazilian corresponds perfectly in age and profile with the midfield that the club and Sarri wish to assemble. The Athletic also understands, however, that Juventus have never made an offer or proposal to Arthur, who is happy at Barcelona and focused on succeeding long term at the Nou Camp.

Barcelona’s interest in doing business with Juventus comes from their pressing financial situation — they need to raise around €50 million to balance their books by the end of their financial year on June 30. Finding a player who Juventus would like to take, and who is open to leaving the Nou Camp at the moment, is a problem however.

Others who Barcelona would be happy to get off their unsustainable wage bill include Ivan Rakitic, Junior Firpo, Samuel Umtiti, Ousmane Dembele and Philippe Coutinho, but for various reasons, none of them are of interest to Juventus. Rakitic told Cadena Cope radio on Monday evening that he would ideally like Barcelona’s president Josep Maria Bartomeu or sporting director Eric Abidal to publicly deny media speculation he is up for sale, but was “only thinking of Barca” at the moment.

For now, leaving the Nou Camp seems like a choice Arthur is reluctant to make while Pjanic, at least according to his friend and former team-mate Mehdi Benatia, is content in Catalonia. “He’s still got three years on his deal at Juventus and he’s happy,” the Moroccan told Italian newspaper Tuttosport. “There are opportunities for him to leave in every window. Real and PSG were after him but, in the end, he extended his contract with Juve. His love for the club prevailed. He’s one of the leaders in the dressing room, he speaks his mind and is respected. Of course, situations can change, the club may decide to sell him. But if it were up to the player, he’d stay in Turin. He has never told me he wants a change of scenery.”

That said, when a player changes agent, as Pjanic did 18 months ago to Falil Ramadani, a different impression can form. But last summer, the free kick maestro’s position on his relationship with Juventus was unequivocal. “We’re in love with each other,” he said.

Still, Pjanic knows, as every player does, that there are times even in a sport as passionate as football when you have to be emotionless. Football is no longer just a game, it’s a business. Paulo Dybala found that out six months ago when he was marketed to Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur. In the end, the Bosnian may resolve to stay in Turin just as the Argentinian did. But negotiations of recent days are a sign of things to come once the transfer market re-opens. For all the structural differences between the sports and their respective leagues, it could be more of an NBA Jam. Paratici had two adjectives to describe how clubs will need to approach the next window: “One’s creative and the other is we’re going to have to be elastic.”

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2 hours ago, King Kante said:

Willy signs an extension.

Thought for a sec you meant Willian......yeah its not half bad untill we figure something out.

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So Giroud and Caballero extended. So our targets are a LB and a RW now? or can we expect Pedro/Willian to extend as well..

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Yeah, I'm really starting to feel like the virus will completely fuck up any grand transfer plans for everyone. Both incoming and outgoing. Clubs will be reluctant to sell big stars and also shell out mega money with so much uncertainty. I'm really glad we got Ziyech done already.

But I'm not feeling confident at all that we'll be able to splash out on others that we need. Although tbf, our board have been pretty shrewd in getting great players on cheaper transfer fees in recent years (Ziyech, Cesc, Costa, Kante, etc) so maybe we'll have an advantage on some clubs.

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I look at someone like Havertz and think a club that has a little more in reserves might get him at a very fair price if others are being very conservative with their funds.

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9 hours ago, Valdo said:

So Giroud and Caballero extended. So our targets are a LB and a RW now? or can we expect Pedro/Willian to extend as well..

If we extend Willian or Pedro, thats just throwing sand in our own eyes.

Both have proven they are not good enough to lead our young players. Neither are they reliable as "experienced" players are. We should resign Boga instead. 

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14 hours ago, Valdo said:

So Giroud and Caballero extended. So our targets are a LB and a RW now? or can we expect Pedro/Willian to extend as well..

I can see now Willian or Pedro to extend and we do not go for another winger. Puli, CHO, Ziyech, Willian/Pedro.

Frank wanted striker more than anything in January so it is hard to imagine he changed his mind. LB is definitely coming. Probably Chilwell but I still have hope for Alaba.

I also hope we go for top CB. Unpopular opinion but I think Werner is not suited for us.

We will not change anything in midfield and rightly so. Best part of our team plus wingers. I like all of them: Kova, Jorgi, Kante, Gilmour, RLC, Ziyech, CHO, Pulisic. Sadly 3 or 4 of them will always be out of the team.

Plus we have Barkley and Mount.

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How much of an effect do you think these loses will have on buying players? It seems our transfer window woes just will not go away.

 

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We are bloody lucky we got Ziyech when we did. 

I'd still go after Boga and rid of Willian. 

Strikers I believe we can cope for now, if Batshuayi is out of the frame that is. 

LB and a CB still needs to get sorted desperately. 

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13 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

If we extend Willian or Pedro, thats just throwing sand in our own eyes.

Both have proven they are not good enough to lead our young players. Neither are they reliable as "experienced" players are. We should resign Boga instead. 

Might as well throw in the towel, they have both been good servants for the Club but its time to look at the future. Bring back Boga instead etc. FFS Marina why didnt you cash in on Bats when the chance was there....an astute person would have run with it :rant:

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16 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Might as well throw in the towel, they have both been good servants for the Club but its time to look at the future. Bring back Boga instead etc. FFS Marina why didnt you cash in on Bats when the chance was there....an astute person would have run with it :rant:

Well.... she doesn't seems to has a football knowledge and this resulted several questionable decisions.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Might as well throw in the towel, they have both been good servants for the Club but its time to look at the future. Bring back Boga instead etc. FFS Marina why didnt you cash in on Bats when the chance was there....an astute person would have run with it :rant:

horrid board

only the SIBNEFT mafia can shit away (more likely than not) close to half a billion quid and still be allowed to hold the reigns of power

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4 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Well.... she doesn't seems to has a football knowledge and this resulted several questionable decisions.

It's ironic that people praise Marina when she is able to sell a player beyond their value and at the same time, criticize her (or say that she doesn't have football knowledge) when she buys some duds. 

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It seems hero to dud happens often. Hazard went from top five to I Can't Even in months.

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

It's ironic that people praise Marina when she is able to sell a player beyond their value and at the same time, criticize her (or say that she doesn't have football knowledge) when she buys some duds. 

lets tally up her 'above normal profits' deals  along with the board's decisions (and to do this I have to go back 2 window further than my summer of 2017 onward £475m in cock-ups calculation)

I am going to very generous as well

we got (arguably as Conte cocked it all up, and I think we could have sold him for close  to what Atleti paid, IF we had sold him straight away in the summer of 2017, coming off a great season with us as champions)  £15m more than he was worth AT THE TIME for Costa 

we got (and China was paying insane money at the time, so the main thing that was great was that we took the cash) £19m more than Oscar was worth (again I am being very generous with these profits) we got £54m and he was worth around £35m

We also ripped off Sunderland for around £6m for Papy Djilobodji

We got around £10m more than we should have for Matic (Mou wanted him bad)

I will be generous and say we basically broke even on Square, as we only lost £4m overall (counting loan fees and the £18m sale, as he was older)

Morata I will be really generous again and say we made £15m than he was worth

Ake is a wash, becuase even though he is worth far more than we sold him for, we did put in a option to buy,and did not use it, so I give this a zero loss (as I am strictly dealing with sales prices versus relative values)

so (as those are all the 'good' sales from the time period)

add all that up

£65m to the good

so knock my  £475m down to £410m in cockups

BUT (and I am sure you know where I am going next)

Mo Mo MO Salah

SMDH

we sold him (counting loan fees) for around a £6.5m profit, BUT no option (just like De Bruyne, grrrr) so, just taking his Roma to Victimpool sale price, we lost a net £17m, and if you look at hsi value now (pre Covid) we lost over £100m in potential value (we can figure the true cost when Liverpool sells him, BUT, that does NOT take into account the fucking MASSIVE difference he would have made as our LWer for all those years)

so even giving Marina and the board, every benefit of the doubt, we are down £410m (that counting all her 'great deals) PLUS whatever massive value you assign to the Salah cock-up (do not even get me started on De Bruyne and the board and Mou) I also am not going to get into Kante, as COVID-19 has fucked that all to hell, and also Jorginho (I am sure it sis bullshit, but multiple reports were saying a £35m sale to Juve, which is madness)

bottom line, is, over the past 4 years, when you give Salah a decent valuation, Marina and/or the board (and the scouting department, they are far from blameless as well) are still completely on track for damn near half a billion quid shit away, even taking into account all the speculative profits off the always-referenced 'wonder deals' above

so they can sod the hell off

 

 

 

 

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Napoli take the lead in €25m Gabriel Magalhães race — report

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2020/5/22/21267217/napoli-take-the-lead-in-25m-gabriel-magalhaes-race-report

If this price is true some team can buy Gabriel and Upamecano for only 65m euros (58.2m pounds) this summer and set CB positions for a decade!

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The Telegraph

Friday May 22 2020

Football Nerd

Why Bayer Leverkusen's Kai Havertz is so highly rated

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By Daniel Zeqiri

Kai Havertz

Kai Havertz scores twice at away at Werder Bremen CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES

Through football's coronavirus hiatus, we are committed to providing a weekly newsletter of facts, analysis and retrospectives. If there is a topic you want us to cover please email sportnewsletters@telegraph.co.uk. Above all, stay safe.

 
 

The Bundesliga is still just about a five-horse title race with eight games remaining, and the pick of Saturday's fixtures sees fifth-place Bayer Leverkusen travel to Borussia Monchenglabach in third.

Leverkusen are without a Bundesliga title in their history, with five runners-up finishes earning them the disparaging moniker 'Bayer Neverkusen', and they will probably be bridesmaids again, with a top-four finish a more realistic target.

The 2002 Champions League finalists possess some exciting young talents in Leon Bailey and Moussa Diaby, but 20-year-old playmaker Kai Havertz is the jewel in their crown.

The German has eight goals and five assists in the Bundesliga this season, and, before the coronavirus pandemic, was linked with with Manchester United and Liverpool. BT Sport pundit and former Bayern Munich player Owen Hargreaves describes Havertz as "half-Ozil, half-Ballack", which would be quite the creative hybrid.

Only Thomas Muller has created more chances from open play this season than Havertz's 49, while only Muller and Serge Gnabry have created more 'big chances' than Havertz's 15. This a tremendous level of productivity for such a young player.

 
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In an era when coaches value aggressive pressing and structured patterns of play, the stock of free-spirited No 10s such Mesut Ozil and James Rodriguez has fallen. Havertz could follow the likes of Kevin De Bruyne as the prototype of the modern attacking midfielder, combining goal-threat and dribbling as well as an eye for a pass.

Like Ozil, Havertz is heavily left-footed and could run through puddles without making a splash. At almost six-foot two inches tall, his height gives him an elegance that stands comparisons with Kaka before injuries curtailed the Brazilian's career. He made an excellent return to action on Monday with two goals in Leverkusen's victory at Werder Bremen.

Although silent stadiums make watching football a hollowed-out and greatly devalued spectacle, there is still much to appreciate in the game itself as Borussia Dortmund's four goals proved last week. Havertz is a fine reason to tune in again.

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