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Tomo

Chelsea's Transfer Targets

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16 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Why we didn't kept Higuain over Michy and Giroud? We had option for one more year on loan. 

Because Higuain is already old and his performance with us wasn't impressive to warrant a one more year loan. 

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4 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Yes Havertz would probably cost €100m, but he has a world class potential and personally i rate him above Mount and RLC. Oblak already rejected us once and he don't want to leave Atletico. I'm fine with not buying any GK and CB yet since other positions  like LB, ST, AM, and RW are far more important right now.

I am not arguing for Oblak, I am saying all these 100m plus players are fantasyland given the club's financial standing. Especially if we stupidly refuse to sell Kante. Sancho is it for the truly massive buts, and there is zero chance that he is a 100% lock to come here 

If you look at my old posts, pre FFP issues, and pre me being told in private months ago that the club is in damage limitation mode with an eye to wealth extraction again, then you will find all these big names being pushed by me too. But the club is not selling the players in a timely fashion, thus crushing our revenue steams from that. Add in poor buys, worse contractual management,  shit renewals on cray salaries,  etc, it all adds up to where we stand now. Which is an almost £100m net loss for last year, no new stadium coming (permit ends very soon too), rapidly ageing players who we refused to sell, and may still refuse to sell, etc etc.

The hopes of us dropping £500m, £600m are completely fiction, fantasyland like I said. The miney is simoly not there.

Take away FFP, and have Roman never being basically banned from the UK, then sure, we would be well on the way to building the new stadium and he would probably drop a shit tonme of quid for truly WC players. 

None of those can or will or did happen atm.

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18 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I am not arguing for Oblak, I am saying all these 100m plus players are fantasyland given the club's financial standing. Especially if we stupidly refuse to sell Kante. Sancho is it for the truly massive buts, and there is zero chance that he is a 100% lock to come here 

If you look at my old posts, pre FFP issues, and pre me being told in private months ago that the club is in damage limitation mode with an eye to wealth extraction again, then you will find all these big names being pushed by me too. But the club is not selling the players in a timely fashion, thus crushing our revenue steams from that. Add in poor buys, worse contractual management,  shit renewals on cray salaries,  etc, it all adds up to where we stand now. Which is an almost £100m net loss for last year, no new stadium coming (permit ends very soon too), rapidly ageing players who we refused to sell, and may still refuse to sell, etc etc.

The hopes of us dropping £500m, £600m are completely fiction, fantasyland like I said. The miney is simoly not there.

Take away FFP, and have Roman never being basically banned from the UK, then sure, we would be well on the way to building the new stadium and he would probably drop a shit tonme of quid for truly WC players. 

None of those can or will or did happen atm.

Yes we won't dropping £500m+ but £350m-£400m is still possible. Even if we only sign Sancho, Havertz, Werner, and Grimaldo the total transfer would be still below £350m assuming their prices:

-Havertz: €100m (£86m)

-Werner: €50m (£42m)

-Sancho: €152m (£130m)

-Grimaldo: €60m (£51m)

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5 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

Yes Havertz would probably cost €100m, but he has a world class potential and personally i rate him above Mount and RLC. Oblak already rejected us once and he don't want to leave Atletico. I'm fine with not buying any GK and CB yet since other positions  like LB, ST, AM, and RW are far more important right now.

While Havertz has potential to be one of the best, it's worth noting that his form has tailed off badly this season. He hasn't improved on the form/performances he showed last season. If we're going to spend over 100 million on a young player, then he better at least be delivering more consistently than Havertz right now (e.g. Sancho). 

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7 minutes ago, Jason said:

While Havertz has potential to be one of the best, it's worth noting that his form has tailed off badly this season. He hasn't improved on the form/performances he showed last season. If we're going to spend over 100 million on a young player, then he better at least be delivering more consistently than Havertz right now (e.g. Sancho). 

Yes his goal tally are dropping this season but you should also consider Leverkusen is on very poor form.  They failed to replace Brandt and opposition players often double or tripple marking Havertz hence that's why his goal tally is not as high as last season.

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Just now, Blues Forever said:

Yes his goal tally are dropping this season but you should also consider Leverkusen is on very poor form.  They failed to replace Brandt and opposition players often double or tripple marking Havertz.

Not a strong excuse, IMO. If he really has the talent and has the potential to be one of the best, then I expect better than just 3 goals and 1 assists in 21 games from him this season. His drop off in form is rather similar to Leon Bailey, who did well in one season (was 2017/18, IIRC) but went off the boil after that.

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4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I agree with you except Piatek part. 

PSG set 30m euros price for Cavani. I know he's old and all but fuck it we are in situation where he would be so useful. Atletico offered only 10m, let's win that race. 20m is going to be enough. 

And for AM go for Isco or James on loan. Real would accept it. Two experienced players like them would be essential in games like today. Abraham and Mount are going on the bench but I don't care. 

As I have repeatedly posted, Isco is waiting until after Euro 2020 to decide his future (unless there is some 'secret' deal going on). James on loan might work. I can live with a  £15 to 20m drop on Cavani, He has at least 1 and a half to 2 decent years left (he is genetic freak type) and we are in dire straights atm. Agree to a no to Piatek too, he has fallen off the cliff form-wise.

Finally we at least should try and do a swap deal (Emerson for Gosens, plus a wee bit of cash from us if needed) with Atalanta. He would be a massive improvement for little net cost at LB right now. I also advocate for selling Alonso to Inter (their LB deal for Leonardo Spinazzola from Roma just crashed out at the last minute and Ashley Young surely is not a longer term option as he is soon 35yo and only came ona 6 month initial loan anyway) or even Juve etc as well and buying either Telles or Grimaldo and then just forgetting the £80m Chilwell. Grimaldo and Gosens or Telles and Gosens as our LB's would be a massive upgrade for less cash outlay overall than just buying Chilwell alone, AND it gets us decent value for both Alonso and Emerson whilst we still can get it ) Alonso turns 30 next season and his value will start to plummet even more. We could have gotten around £125m total for Azpi, Alfonso and Emerson back in 2018 and long term upgraded then. Now we will will be damn lucky to get £50-to 60m and likely a lot less (Azpi is now on the verge of being unsaleable for any significant quid and he will be more than likely just run into the ground until he is allowed to walk on a free in in 2022 when he is basically 33yo (summer of 2022) and utterly spent. Maybe he goes on a Ashley Young-type big 5 league career close-out move for peanuts by some Serie A or La Liga club.

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42 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Yes we won't dropping £500m+ but £350m-£400m is still possible. Even if we only sign Sancho, Havertz, Werner, and Grimaldo the total transfer would be still below £350m assuming their prices:

-Havertz: €100m (£86m)

-Werner: €50m (£42m)

-Sancho: €152m (£130m)

-Grimaldo: €60m (£51m)

if I may, let me put forth these numbers

Havertz I think will will cost around £100m or more not £86m

Werner's RC goes down to £25m in the summer however I think you are correct that at 50m or 60m and maybe more as there will be a huge bidding war

Sancho (unless the insane £40m+ quid agent demand is actually true) should go for £120m or so but maybe you are correct at 130m quid so I will go with your figure

you are correct on Grimaldo at £51m BUT all signs show that we are going for the £80m dice roll that is Chilwell (and also not selling our 2 LBs once again in a time fashion so they drop (especially Alonso who turns 30 next season)  even more in resale vale (plus if we only buy ONE LB, we are stuck with dregs as Backup still)

add that up (and this is if IF we run the line and grab ALL, which is far, far from certain) and we are at £360m to £370m or so

BUT

if Willian walks on a free, we still then need another winger (we simply cannot roll with only 3) so add in another 50m or so there (80m or so if we foolishly move for Zaha)

plus a DMF (everyone is all up on Soumare for around 50m or so, who I am NOT sold on given hsi miserable interception/take on rate, second lowest of ALL DMF/CMF's in Ligue 1 atm)

there is your £500m or so (IF Zaha, otherwise around 470m or so, which is still a shedload) 

Add in a 2nd LB (minus a sale of the remaining dregs) and it is even more

also, notice there are ZERO CB moves, ZERO GK moves (not even backup and/or comp for the crisis-ridden Kepa), zero RB moves, zero 3rd CF moves, and zero creative CMF moves involved in any of these numbers

it simply is not happening, especially IF we do not sell Kante

the numbers do not work I am afraid (a lot to do with the board cocking up sales in a non timely fashion, and then making horrid buys, horrid contractual management, and simply refusing to sell other dregs)

plus, again, all this assumes we win on every listed transfer battle, which is pretty damn unlikely

and also, IF we miss out on CL again, not only does that somewhat hurt recruitment, BUT it also fucks us hard on FFP, making monies even tighter

 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Vesper said:

if I may, let me put forth these numbers

Havertz I think will will cost around £100m or more not £86m

Werner's RC goes down to £25m in the summer however I think you are correct that at 50m or 60m and maybe more as there will be a huge bidding war

Sancho (unless the insane £40m+ quid agent demand is actually true) should go for £120m or so but maybe you are correct at 130m quid so I will go with your figure

you are correct on Grimaldo at £51m BUT all signs show that we are going for the £80m dice roll that is Chilwell (and also not selling our 2 LBs once again in a time fashion so they drop (especially Alonso who turns 30 next season)  even more in resale vale (plus if we only buy ONE LB, we are stuck with dregs as Backup still)

add that up (and this is if IF we run the line and grab ALL, which is far, far from certain) and we are at £360m to £370m or so

BUT

if Willian walks on a free, we still then need another winger (we simply cannot roll with only 3) so add in another 50m or so there (80m or so if we foolishly move for Zaha)

plus a DMF (everyone is all up on Soumare for around 50m or so, who I am NOT sold on given hsi miserable interception/take on rate, second lowest of ALL DMF/CMF's in Ligue 1 atm)

there is your £500m or so (IF Zaha, otherwise around 470m or so, which is still a shedload) 

Add in a 2nd LB (minus a sale of the remaining dregs) and it is even more

also, notice there are ZERO CB moves, ZERO GK moves (not even backup and/or comp for the crisis-ridden Kepa), zero RB moves, zero 3rd CF moves, and zero creative CMF moves involved in any of these numbers

it simply is not happening, especially IF we do not sell Kante

the numbers do not work I am afraid (a lot to do with the board cocking up sales in a non timely fashion, and then making horrid buys, horrid contractual management, and simply refusing to sell other dregs)

plus, again, all this assumes we win on every listed transfer battle, which is pretty damn unlikely

and also, IF we miss out on CL again, not only does that somewhat hurt recruitment, BUT it also fucks us hard on FFP, making monies even tighter

 

 

 

No need to buy a back up lol we can use our youth to fill in, only buy for a clear upgrade and starters for our team. For CMF for ex we still have Gallagher and RLC so no need to buy for this position yet unless they flopped. A new CB and GK can wait for an another year if we're worried about FFP, but other positions like AM, LB, RW, and ST must be done in this summer.

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2 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

No need to buy a back up lol we can use our youth to fill in, only buy for a clear upgrade and starters for our team. For CMF for ex we still have Gallagher and RLC so no need to buy for this position yet unless they flopped. A new CB and GK can wait for an another year if we're worried about FFP, but other positions like AM, LB, RW, and ST must be done in this summer.

that is why I left a lot out

my numbers still stand without them

'it is not going to happen for multiple reasons (I already listed why)

especially if Kante is not sold

we simply do not have the money (again I listed this out why) and the odds are so high we do not get all the targets listed

the other giant clubs are all in for all of them (not every club for every player, but every player will have HUGE clubs making moves for them besides us)

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Vesper said:

that is why I left a lot out

my numbers still stand without them

'it is not going to happen for multiple reasons (I already listed why)

especially if Kante is not sold

we simply do not have the money (again I listed this out why) and the odds are so high we do not get all the targets listed

the other giant clubs are all in for all of them (not every club for every player, but every player will have HUGE clubs making moves for them besides us)

 

 

Nah the transfer i listed for AM, LB, ST, and RW would only cost around £360m-£370m according to your calculation. We also won't buy both Zaha and Sancho it would be only one of them, as for DMF looks like not our priority atm since lack of link for this position (only Soumare so far) and we still has Ampadu who can play at there.

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1 minute ago, Blues Forever said:

Nah the transfer i listed for AM, LB, ST, and RW would only cost around £360m-£370m according to your calculation. We also won't buy both Zaha and Sancho it would be only one of them, as for DMF looks like not our priority in the summer since lack of link for this position (only Soumare so far).

but if Willian walks we DO need to buy a winger

which I listed cheaper option as well

and you are leaving out a MF (Soumare and others are not being tossed out for fun)

the numbers do not add up for all those coming in

even if you remove Soumare type and go with a 50m  or so non Zaha winger to replace Willian 

it isnt happening

I wish it was

so many reasons it will not (again I listed so many why)

IF we sell Kante, then maybe I will at least start to have partial belief

but it still leaves a shedload of cash to spend and a huge run of luck that all those come here

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

but if Willian walks we DO need to buy a winger

which I listed cheaper option as well

and you are leaving out a MF (Soumare and others are not being tossed out for fun)

the numbers do not add up for all those coming in

even if you remove Soumare type and go with a 50m  or so non Zaha winger to replace Willian 

it isnt happening

I wish it was

so many reasons it will not (again I listed so many why)

IF we sell Kante, then maybe I will at least start to have partial belief

but it still leaves a shedload of cash to spend and a huge run of luck that all those come here

If willian leaves then use our youth to fill in lol that's why i said no need to buy a back up.

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11 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

If willian leaves then use our youth to fill in lol that's why i said no need to buy a back up.

re-buy Boga?

better do it NOW

he will be be soon gone

we have no youth wingers atm who are first team quality as of now

Moses is probably coming back from loan (as he barely plays in Turkey), lololol

that screams title time!!!!

NOT

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2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

re-buy Boga?

better do it NOW

he will be be soon gone

we have no youth wingers atm who are first team quality as of now

Moses is probably coming back from loan (as he barely plays in Turkey), lololol

that screams title time!!!!

NOT

Nah, Boga won't come back as a back up, Lamptey could also play as RW.

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Just now, Blues Forever said:

Nah, Boga won't come back as a back up, Lamptey could also play as RW.

now you are just being silly

Lamptey is NOT a winger and is the shortest player in the EPL (5 foot 3) and is also not even renewing so far (The Sun flat out lied, which is par for the course) and may walk on a free in a few months to PSG or Nice 

Report: Chelsea youngster Tariq Lamptey could be on his way out

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/club-news/report-chelsea-youngster-tariq-lamptey-could-be-on-his-way-out/

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

now you are just being silly

Lamptey is NOT a winger and is the shortest player in the EPL (5 foot 3) and is also not even renewing so far (The Sun flat out lied, which is par for the course) and may walk on a free in a few months to PSG or Nice 

Report: Chelsea youngster Tariq Lamptey could be on his way out

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/club-news/report-chelsea-youngster-tariq-lamptey-could-be-on-his-way-out/

Nope Lamptey could play all position on the right side: RB, RWB, and RW.

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2 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Nope Lamptey could play all position on the right side: RB, RWB, and RW.

I refuse to continue this ridiculous colloquy

Lamptey is NOT going to be a main winger for us if Willian leaves on a free

it is madness to think this

you clearly are taking the piss m8

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Just now, Vesper said:

I refuse to continue this ridiculous colloquy

Lamptey is NOT going to be a main winger for us if Willian leaves on a free

it is madness to think this

you clearly are taking the piss m8

Nah i'm not, Pulisic and Sancho would be a starter while CHO and Lamptey as back up.

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James Rodriguez out of the squad again even with Hazard, Asensio, Valverde, Ramos out injured or suspended. Why are we not after him is beyond me. 6 months on loan. But I guess he don't have most important attributes for AM pressing and running :rolleyes: he only offers creativity, but who needs that? Especially from attacking midfielder? 

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