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Tomo

Chelsea's Transfer Targets

Started by Tomo,

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Well, look at it like this, for those really concerned whether we sign someone or not, you only got 2 weeks left. If something is going to happen, itll be soon. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Clear run??? I wish. Most every top 20 team is going to be beating down his door this summer, especially with that crazy low RC.

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43 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Clear run??? I wish. Most every top 20 team is going to be beating down his door this summer, especially with that crazy low RC.

Real Madrid “Hello there”

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3 minutes ago, Styl1994 said:

Real Madrid “Hello there”

But he was very clear about starting spot. Can he get that in Madrid? 

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Clear run??? I wish. Most every top 20 team is going to be beating down his door this summer, especially with that crazy low RC.

True but which big club, apart from us, really need a striker AND can guarantee/offer consistent starting game time? 

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

True but which big club, apart from us, really need a striker AND can guarantee/offer consistent starting game time? 

A lot of them IMHO. Including Barca and Real. Suarez turns 34yo next season and is badly injured now, and Benzema turns 33yo and is also injured atm and becoming injury prone. Inter, if they lose Lautaro Martinez, is a great place as they play the double striker system he is used to. Liverpool, Manure, Atletico Madrid, PSG (if they somehow chose to not buy Icardi perm) Spuds, Arse, AC Milan (100 billion wealth owner now), Napoli, even Juve and Shitty.

I also absolutely do not buy the story that Bayern is 100% out. Nope.

I am super cynical when it comes to Chels chasing top 5 players versus other giant clubs. Especially if we disastrously miss out on CL. Not a chance in hell I think it is smooth sailing to grab Sancho, Werner, Chilwell (I say pass unless he is £55m or less ie. basically Grimaldo cost, which he wont be and a pass on Grimaldo too.) Hell, even pulling Declan Rice will be hard, although the easiest of the big 4.

Pretty much the only one we are in the drivers seat over due to us being number one club of choice by the player is Zaha, lolol. Maybe, maybe Rice.

TBH, I see no reason to NOT buy Zaha now, this window, if we can gwt Palace to come down a bit. Buying him absolutely does not stop us from going after Sancho and Werner, and he can play CF in a pinch and he is needed if Willian walks on a free as we are then down to two wingers. We absolutely will need to buy him if we miss out on Sancho as well, and better to get him now and help our CL chances overall.

Werner or Dembele are not break the bank costly, we are not buying a new number one GK, we are not buying a CB, we are not buying a RB, we can do BOTH  Telles and Gosens for a net cost of around zero to inly £5 or 10m max, and I do not see us spending big at MF, unless we (and we should) sell Kante.

Werner £25m (summer release clause)

Zaha £70m now

Sancho £120m

Gosens and Telles combined £10m net MAX

That is a total spend of £215-225m now and in summer

Surely that is doable (as we are now talking THREE windows)

We already have hundreds of millions feom other done and hope soon done sales, and if we sold Kante in the summer that is another 100m plus in the kitty. Rice would cost around £80m. So just that drops the cost of the 5 listed above down to around only £200m. And absolutely ZERO in terms of net spend when you add in all the other sales revenue.

ALL these are players we desperately need, and the funds are there. All these are players that are talked about with us daily.The board just needs to get it done. I have serious doubts they will.

I have reduced my hopes and targets immensely over the past 4 months or so, so it is not at all the case I am tossing out crazy shit. I would love to get Lautaro, but odds are massive we never get a sniff. If we miss out on Werner, I so hope the absolute WORST we end up with is Dembele. 

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Just now, Vesper said:

A lot of them IMHO. Including Barca and Real. Suarez turns 34yo next season and is badly injured now, and Benzema turns 33yo and is also injured atm and becoming injury prone. Inter, if they lose Lautaro Martinez, is a great place as they play the double striker system he is used to. Liverpool, Manure, Atletico Madrid, PSG (if they somehow chose to not buy Icardi perm) Spuds, Arse, AC Milan (100 billion wealth owner now), Napoli, even Juve and Shitty.

I also absolutely do not buy the story that Bayern is 100% out. Nope.

But Barcelona already have Griezmann and if they are still keen on bringing Neymar back, then there is no chance they will go for Werner. 

Zidane still seems to be relying on Benzema and god knows what is going to happen with Jovic. Might still come good.

Inter may be a possibility but is he the type of striker that Conte likes?

Liverpool are also a possibility but with Salah, Mane and Firmino not going anywhere any time soon, it's going to be hard for Werner to get consistent game time. And they just bought Minamino.

Man United have no chance, IMO. They are a mess of a club and seem committed to Rashford and Greenwood. They might be interested in Werner but they are so far away from challenging for the major honors.

Atletico Madrid...nah, especially if they are gonna get Cavani and Simeone always seems to ruin offensive minded players.

PSG, think they will sign Icardi. Will be very surprised if they chose not to.

Spurs...nah, not if they continue to stick with Kane and they're so far, far away from challenging for the big titles.

Arsenal, don't think so, not if they still have Lacazette, Aubameyang etc and again, they're very far away from challenging for the big titles. Heck, they've been out of the Champions League for so many years!

Milan and Napoli? Not a chance.

Juventus may be a possibility but Higuain, Dybala and Ronaldo are still gonna be around.

Man City maybe as well but if Aguero sticks around, then it'll be tough.

Bayern may still be circling around but if some of the recent reports are to be believed, then I don't think he'll go to them. He wanted to join Bayern last summer, even agreed a deal I think, but they didn't officially approach Leipzig for a deal and he was left furious over them. Plus, Lewandowski is still going strong and Bayern have a lot of wingers at the moment, also keen on Sane in the summer. 

I don't know if you saw this link I previously posted but Werner said he dreams of playing in the Premier League (and ideally for Liverpool/Man United) and for a team that can win titles (which is not Man United at this point).

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/werner-i-dream-playing-premier-league-im-more-man-united-liverpool

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54 minutes ago, Jason said:

But Barcelona already have Griezmann and if they are still keen on bringing Neymar back, then there is no chance they will go for Werner. 

Zidane still seems to be relying on Benzema and god knows what is going to happen with Jovic. Might still come good.

Inter may be a possibility but is he the type of striker that Conte likes?

Liverpool are also a possibility but with Salah, Mane and Firmino not going anywhere any time soon, it's going to be hard for Werner to get consistent game time. And they just bought Minamino.

Man United have no chance, IMO. They are a mess of a club and seem committed to Rashford and Greenwood. They might be interested in Werner but they are so far away from challenging for the major honors.

Atletico Madrid...nah, especially if they are gonna get Cavani and Simeone always seems to ruin offensive minded players.

PSG, think they will sign Icardi. Will be very surprised if they chose not to.

Spurs...nah, not if they continue to stick with Kane and they're so far, far away from challenging for the big titles.

Arsenal, don't think so, not if they still have Lacazette, Aubameyang etc and again, they're very far away from challenging for the big titles. Heck, they've been out of the Champions League for so many years!

Milan and Napoli? Not a chance.

Juventus may be a possibility but Higuain, Dybala and Ronaldo are still gonna be around.

Man City maybe as well but if Aguero sticks around, then it'll be tough.

Bayern may still be circling around but if some of the recent reports are to be believed, then I don't think he'll go to them. He wanted to join Bayern last summer, even agreed a deal I think, but they didn't officially approach Leipzig for a deal and he was left furious over them. Plus, Lewandowski is still going strong and Bayern have a lot of wingers at the moment, also keen on Sane in the summer. 

I don't know if you saw this link I previously posted but Werner said he dreams of playing in the Premier League (and ideally for Liverpool/Man United) and for a team that can win titles (which is not Man United at this point).

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/werner-i-dream-playing-premier-league-im-more-man-united-liverpool

Disagree with a lot of this, sorry, I stand by my options. You leave far too much info out. And Griezmann and Neymar are so not number 9 types.  One is an SS and one is a winger. Age plays roles in many things as well.

You also underestimate AC Milan. Bernard Arnault did not buy them to fuck about. Same for Manure. They are still an absolutely giant global club, hot mess atm or not.

Bookmark my post and we shall see what happens. Absolutely zero shot we have a free run at any of them, save for Zaha and maybe Rice.

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Just now, Vesper said:

Disagree with a lot of this, sorry, I stand by my options. You leave far too much info out. And Griezmann and Neymar are so not number 9 types.  One is an SS and one is a winger. Age plays roles in many things as well.

Yeah, but Werner can play as a striker or on the wings. And if reports are to be believed, Barcelona see Neymar as the successor to Messi, who god knows how many seasons he has left in him. Plus, Dembele is still around.

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

You also underestimate AC Milan. Bernard Arnault did nit buy them to fuck about. Same for Manure. They are still an absolutely giant glibal club, hot mess atm or not.

They are still a big club by name but not on the pitch. They haven't challenged for the league title, haven't qualified for the Champions League for a long time. They have a decent squad but will need a HUGE revamping of the squad to get back to their glory days and that will take what...3-4 years? And IIRC, they have been punished by the FFP and have to operate under the restrictions. Plus, they don't even have the same sponsorship level as United do. 

6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Absolutely zero shot we have a free run at any of them

That bit I agree but I just don't think that there will be a lot of clubs, as you initially mentioned, that can realistically get him and offer him what he wants. But agree to disagree I guess and we'll see in the summer. :) 

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Werner on his future and uh oh, he mentioned Spain...

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/timo-werner-drops-premier-league-17576694

Speaking to Bild, the Germany international said: "The Premier League is certainly the most interesting league, you have to say. There is a certain flair to watching the English league and playing there.

"But many Germans have also been very successful in Spain, such as Sami Khedira and Mesut Ozil."

However, asked if he could leave Leipzig this month Werner added: "As of now I have no desire to look for a move elsewhere."

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I see Real Madrid, Liverpool and Manchester United as our top3 rivals for Werner. Liverpool already have established front three and by reports they are after Harvatz who is very expensive. Plus Japanese guy... That should put them off. About Real let's hope they put fate in Jovic and Timo get scared by competition. United wanted to buy Haaland so they are after striker. Werner would be good fit for them since he moves nicely just like Martial and Rashford. But hopefully we'll have CL football next season and they don't. Can't see him elsewhere. 

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3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I see Real Madrid, Liverpool and Manchester United as our top3 rivals for Werner. Liverpool already have established front three and by reports they are after Harvatz who is very expensive. Plus Japanese guy... That should put them off. About Real let's hope they put fate in Jovic and Timo get scared by competition. United wanted to buy Haaland so they are after striker. Werner would be good fit for them since he moves nicely just like Martial and Rashford. But hopefully we'll have CL football next season and they don't. Can't see him elsewhere. 

Regarding United, even with CL football next season, are they any closer to challenging for the big titles again? That's also another factor. Maybe I'm being biased but I believe we're in a better position than United to get better from here.

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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Regarding United, even with CL football next season, are they any closer to challenging for the big titles again? That's also another factor. Maybe I'm being biased but I believe we're in a better position than United to get better from here.

A lot can change in a few years but I'll be very surprised if we're not the next team not named City or Liverpool to win the league.

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4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

But he was very clear about starting spot. Can he get that in Madrid? 

 

5 minutes ago, Tomo said:

A lot can change in a few years but I'll be very surprised if we're not the next team not named City or Liverpool to win the league.

We have the potential but we need at least 3 top signings and a fit Loftus-Cheek to compete.

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2 minutes ago, Styl1994 said:

We have the potential but we need at least 3 top signings and a fit Loftus-Cheek to compete.

A top left back, winger, striker along with the natural evolvement of the academy boys should see us in position to properly challenge the year after next. 

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7 minutes ago, Tomo said:

A top left back, winger, striker along with the natural evolvement of the academy boys should see us in position to properly challenge the year after next. 

You never know maybe next year say Chelsea signed 

Sancho 

Werner 

Telles 

bought Gallagher back from loan and had a fully fit Loftus-Cheek 

While selling 

Barkley 

Alonso 

Giroud 

Batshuayi 

while selling off some of the loan army I think we could compete.

 

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15 hours ago, jabj24 said:

@Vesper Lets say we're all in with Tammy as our striker. Who are the best backup striking options?

I think the better option is to be able to find a higher quality player who is versatile enough to play different roles (lone striker, second striker, out wide) and therefore won't necessarily be "backup quality" and instead first team quality getting plenty of game time due to rotation and suitability across the front line.

I've mentioned it before, but in my opinion, Anelka was really underappreciated by a large proportion of the fan base during his time here. He was an easy scapegoat at times but he sacrificed much of his game to play out wide for the majority of games and we were pretty successful during this period. But where his additional value came into play was we didn't miss Drogba very often when he was unavailable due to injury, Afcon, etc because Anelka was a top quality central striker. He top scored in the whole league in the Scolari/Hiddink season when Drogba struggled for form and fitness and besides probably United and Liverpool at the time, he would have walked into any other team in the league as their main striker.

Since he left, we've never had an alternative striking option anywhere near his quality and in some years, our main striking option wasn't anywhere near his quality either.

The obvious option I think when you think of someone of this ilk has to be Werner because of his ability to play multiple roles across the attack and he offers different strengths and characteristics to Tammy in the same way that Drogba and Anelka differed. As most have mentioned Werner will be in huge demand in the summer so there's no guarantee we'll get a clear run at him. But there must be other players across the continent that can offer something similar in case he's a no go.

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