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Tomo

Chelsea Transfer Pub

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Its just crazy we are on brink of making all these transfers, yet our squad still has a bunch of players that are so uncomplete.

Kovacic, entire defense, DM whoever it is. Even the rumoured Dunks, Chilwells, Rice etc...are they realy a high potential players? Can they actualy deliver in big PL and CL games like Davies or Aouar? Up the clutch? Not talking about today, but does Chilwell actualy have potential to go that extra mile in few years?

We keep chasing these maybe one day good players for extra ridiculous prices because they are overrated PL players, meanwhile teams will track players like Thiago, Aouar, Reguilon, Telles, Party and get complete player there. One purchase and they are good for a few years in the spot.

Kovacic is great player, but very limited. When we purchased him, he was a bench player for RM, not consistent enough. Didnt have that extra spark. Aouar is bossing city for two years now. Why dont we wait and target players that deliver at biggest stage and have good allround quality not just one standout ability and being average at others. 

I remember when we were signing Carvalho, Essien, Drogba...they all came from superb seasons. Its like getting best CB from Leipzig or midfielder from Lyon now. Because they have actualy shown they are quality. They have shown they have the ability. Reguilon is key to sevilla defence that ended in CL spots and is in semis of EL. 

Yet we are desperate to go for Rice, Chilwell, Dunk and we will end up paying even more for them. Overrated unproven. Then people will complain again next summer.

If we sign Chilwell etc I hope they come good, but the risk is massive. Its not like we dont have english players in our youth if we want to nationalise the club a little. Or maybe one single player like Rice/Chilwell. Not all of them ffs.

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2 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Its just crazy we are on brink of making all these transfers, yet our squad still has a bunch of players that are so uncomplete.

Kovacic, entire defense, DM whoever it is. Even the rumoured Dunks, Chilwells, Rice etc...are they realy a high potential players? Can they actualy deliver in big PL and CL games like Davies or Aouar? Up the clutch? Not talking about today, but does Chilwell actualy have potential to go that extra mile in few years?

We keep chasing these maybe one day good players for extra ridiculous prices because they are overrated PL players, meanwhile teams will track players like Thiago, Aouar, Reguilon, Telles, Party and get complete player there. One purchase and they are good for a few years in the spot.

Kovacic is great player, but very limited. When we purchased him, he was a bench player for RM, not consistent enough. Didnt have that extra spark. Aouar is bossing city for two years now. Why dont we wait and target players that deliver at biggest stage and have good allround quality not just one standout ability and being average at others. 

I remember when we were signing Carvalho, Essien, Drogba...they all came from superb seasons. Its like getting best CB from Leipzig or midfielder from Lyon now. Because they have actualy shown they are quality. They have shown they have the ability. Reguilon is key to sevilla defence that ended in CL spots and is in semis of EL. 

Yet we are desperate to go for Rice, Chilwell, Dunk and we will end up paying even more for them. Overrated unproven. Then people will complain again next summer.

If we sign Chilwell etc I hope they come good, but the risk is massive. Its not like we dont have english players in our youth if we want to nationalise the club a little. Or maybe one single player like Rice/Chilwell. Not all of them ffs.

Have to say.. I completely agree. Although, you have to look at who these players are playing with now and who they will be playing with if they join us. Frank has to get the blend right. I just hope he does. Klopp has at Liverpool and its said that Frank really admires the blueprint Klopp laid down there.

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12 hours ago, Vesper said:

Chris Sutton slams ‘stupid’ Man Utd and Chelsea decisions after Moussa Dembele heroics

He is a poor player when you look at his overall performance over the years. His first goal against City comes after a foul that was not spotted. His second goals comes after GK messed up dramatically.

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43 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Its just crazy we are on brink of making all these transfers, yet our squad still has a bunch of players that are so uncomplete.

Kovacic, entire defense, DM whoever it is. Even the rumoured Dunks, Chilwells, Rice etc...are they realy a high potential players? Can they actualy deliver in big PL and CL games like Davies or Aouar? Up the clutch? Not talking about today, but does Chilwell actualy have potential to go that extra mile in few years?

We keep chasing these maybe one day good players for extra ridiculous prices because they are overrated PL players, meanwhile teams will track players like Thiago, Aouar, Reguilon, Telles, Party and get complete player there. One purchase and they are good for a few years in the spot.

Kovacic is great player, but very limited. When we purchased him, he was a bench player for RM, not consistent enough. Didnt have that extra spark. Aouar is bossing city for two years now. Why dont we wait and target players that deliver at biggest stage and have good allround quality not just one standout ability and being average at others. 

I remember when we were signing Carvalho, Essien, Drogba...they all came from superb seasons. Its like getting best CB from Leipzig or midfielder from Lyon now. Because they have actualy shown they are quality. They have shown they have the ability. Reguilon is key to sevilla defence that ended in CL spots and is in semis of EL. 

Yet we are desperate to go for Rice, Chilwell, Dunk and we will end up paying even more for them. Overrated unproven. Then people will complain again next summer.

If we sign Chilwell etc I hope they come good, but the risk is massive. Its not like we dont have english players in our youth if we want to nationalise the club a little. Or maybe one single player like Rice/Chilwell. Not all of them ffs.

Every player is a maybe palyer at some point. When Bayern brought Davies as a young teen he was a nobody. No one could say he would become world class this soon.

Also there is sometimes not a correlation whether a player is good in PL and in CL. Lots of players who ripped up PL have done shit in CL and vice versa. But we play most of our games in PL so its not bad at least knowing the signings have performed here.

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8 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Every player is a maybe palyer at some point. When Bayern brought Davies as a young teen he was a nobody. No one could say he would become world class this soon.

Also there is sometimes not a correlation whether a player is good in PL and in CL. Lots of players who ripped up PL have done shit in CL and vice versa. But we play most of our games in PL so its not bad at least knowing the signings have performed here.

Well obviously. But they signed Davies for 13m. Pool signed Robertson for 8m. Not 65. For that cash, you expect Chilwell to be next Ashley Cole at least. 

We also signed De Bruyne and Salah for almost nothing. And where are they now? 

All in all, our board has been catastrophic to say the least given what we could have with just tiny bit more faith and brains. 

I mean Im not a scout. But these clubs are showing its possible to spend wise. Chelsea, along with United and Barcelona have the worst board of the last 10 years.

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6 hours ago, Jason said:

Still no thanks. There is a reason why no Premier League club have gone for him all these years after Stoke's relegation. Even as a no.2, you want that keeper to be solid, decent and I don't think Butland is that. Moreover, we probably will have a number of turnovers in the playing squad that we don't need another unnecessary one like the backup keeper. Caballero will do just fine for one more season. That 8-10 million could be better used elsewhere right now. 

True but I think he hasnt left Stoke because they wanted 30mn for him off the fact he was in the English WC squad, which is ridiculous because its not as if England had any truly outstanding GKs either so his inclusion as a back up GK is hardly gonna warrant tripling his price. Stocks obviously fallen as Stoke have gone to shit but as a 2nd GK hardly be a bad option but again, maybe better out there.

Lewis Dunk though? Fuck me. Is Lampard trying to turn us into Kenny Dalglish’s Liverpool when they signed all the overrated PL players and British guys? Likes of Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam, Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson (got to the top eventually though). Also that fuck me reaction is without mentioning the fee, £40M+ For somebody who probably isnt even Englands 5th choice CB. Ben Foster okay for a number 2 yes sound go for it, can see why we would consider it. Also Declan Rice and Ben Chilwell have potential but are hugely overpriced and there are better as well as cheaper options out there in both positions too. Dont go undoing the good work already done with Werner, Ziyech and potentially Havertz by signing Lewis Dunk. I get the having HG players but we’ve how many academy boys in the squad already? Tammy, Mason, Billy, Callum, Reece, Fikayo... plus is Lewis Dunk better than what we have? Wouldnt say so. If he was even then hardly a huge improvement on some of them. Wouldnt say he is better than any of our CBs including Fikayo.

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Meret - Loan (option to buy )  

Reguillon - 22m+

Jimenez from Atletico  -  65m

Havertz  - 72m

 

This is very realistic transfer .

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2 minutes ago, AOIRO said:

Meret - Loan (option to buy )  

Reguillon - 22m+

Jimenez from Atletico  -  65m

Havertz  - 72m

 

This is very realistic transfer .

Much better than blowing our budget on dunkey and chillbarrow, 

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4 minutes ago, AOIRO said:

Meret - Loan (option to buy )  

Reguillon - 22m+

Jimenez from Atletico  -  65m

Havertz  - 72m

 

This is very realistic transfer .

Gimenez only become realistic if we triggered his release clause €120m, otherwise no chance this is happening.

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

True but I think he hasnt left Stoke because they wanted 30mn for him off the fact he was in the English WC squad, which is ridiculous because its not as if England had any truly outstanding GKs either so his inclusion as a back up GK is hardly gonna warrant tripling his price. Stocks obviously fallen as Stoke have gone to shit but as a 2nd GK hardly be a bad option but again, maybe better out there.

Still. Bournemouth just got relegated and Sheffield United decided to splash 18 million for their keeper, Aaron Ramsdale. 

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Lewis Dunk though? Fuck me. Is Lampard trying to turn us into Kenny Dalglish’s Liverpool when they signed all the overrated PL players and British guys? Likes of Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam, Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson (got to the top eventually though). Also that fuck me reaction is without mentioning the fee, £40M+ For somebody who probably isnt even Englands 5th choice CB. Ben Foster okay for a number 2 yes sound go for it, can see why we would consider it. Also Declan Rice and Ben Chilwell have potential but are hugely overpriced and there are better as well as cheaper options out there in both positions too. Dont go undoing the good work already done with Werner, Ziyech and potentially Havertz by signing Lewis Dunk. I get the having HG players but we’ve how many academy boys in the squad already? Tammy, Mason, Billy, Callum, Reece, Fikayo... plus is Lewis Dunk better than what we have? Wouldnt say so. If he was even then hardly a huge improvement on some of them. Wouldnt say he is better than any of our CBs including Fikayo

Not sure those who are okay with the Dunk signing have actually seen him week in week out but I feel like the bar has been set so low that people will just take ANY defender and immediately consider them as an improvement because of what we have, when in general, that defender isn't particularly great at all, like Dunk. I also get the comparison with Cahill, but he only cost us less than 10 million and if we're gonna pay 20, 30 million or more for Dunk, then F off! Do we need better central defenders? Yes but at the same time, I feel like all this talk of needing to buy one is a cheap cop-out on Lampard and the coaching staff's part because they can't coach a defence. 

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I’m not bothered with who we will sign as far as there’s improvements. I’m slightly worried about the limited time left for us to do all the INs and OUTs. I know the window remains until October but surely Frank would love to have his full squad ready before the first round of EPL kicks off.

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2 hours ago, AOIRO said:

Meret - Loan (option to buy )  

Reguillon - 22m+

Jimenez from Atletico  -  65m

Havertz  - 72m

 

This is very realistic transfer .

Love those transfers to happen  but am a bit sceptical about Jimenez due to injury record...

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Also Im wondering how will Ziyech fit on that wing. He is not quick, neither is Azpi or James. It will be fun to watch turtles walk on that right flank 😄

He better be either in the middle or have end product like Kdb/Bruno, otherwise people will start shitting on him quickly. 

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11 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Also Im wondering how will Ziyech fit on that wing. He is not quick, neither is Azpi or James. It will be fun to watch turtles walk on that right flank 😄

He better be either in the middle or have end product like Kdb/Bruno, otherwise people will start shitting on him quickly. 

James isn't the quickest but to be honest neither of the Liverpool full backs have blistering pace but they prepared to attack the space afforded them by players further up the field.

Last season the only two real options we've played on the right have been CHO and Willian, who both will predominantly look to attack the same space as the full back. It makes things much easier to defend.

Having a player like Ziyech looking to cut inside should create openings much easier because he has the option to cut inside and drive to look at shooting, cut back and cross from a deeper position or play the full back in on the overlap for them to cross from a different position from the byline. The variety will make us far less predictable and much more difficult to defend against.

From the looks of things, buying Chilwell on the left hand side and likely having a right footer on the left such as Pulisic, CHO or even Werner will offer something similar from the left too. 

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