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1. Kepa Arrizabalaga

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On 09/02/2020 at 10:12 AM, Tomo said:

25 being young for a GK is a myth, especially these days. Most world class keepers are world class by the time they're 25.

They also decline earlier than people think aswell, look at how poor Cech and Casilas became and Buffon is a very very poor keeper at present.

Van Der Sar was the ultimate anomaly which has given a false narrative that keepers peak/last much longer, it isn't true.

Missed this post when you replied. Not sure how I did but I did.

I am not 100% sold on 25 not being young for a GK because in terms of their playing careers they can still play at the top level to they are late 30s compared to outfield players bar the exceptions who seem to decline before their mid 30s.

Other than Neuer, Courtois, de Gea, Oblak, Alisson, Lloris and ter Stegen in recent times I havent thought of many world class GKs by the time they are 25 in the last 10 years for say, probably missed a few, would say Cech as well is definitely in there but he would been older, again, wouldnt say there are lots and lots of them. Ederson could be in there too but I have seen some issues in some games hes played where he has conceded some goals youd expect him to save.

Yes Cech and Casillas regressed but again those 2 had been at the very very top for close to 15 years at least and that consistency is difficult to maintain for a lot of players regardless of position never mind throwing in injuries over time too. Buffon who is now 42, few years ago before going to PSG, he was still putting in very impressive performances in the CL in for Juventus the year they made the final and the season afterwards. Even Neuer who was outstanding for Schalke and Bayern over a period, had a bad injury and people thought he was finished when he still has plenty of life left in him.

I still have huge faith in Kepa, it just takes a string of matches where he plays good to come out of this slump. Just as it does with any player and starting with the United game tonight, who knows? I mean look at the developement of Woijech Szczesny, he is now a very good GK imo and it took him until he was maybe 26 before he ironed out huge flaws and became a very very reliable GK in Serie A. Keylor Navas went to Madrid aged 27 or 28 and Claudio Bravo particularly had a late resurgence to the top level as well when he went to Barca probably in his 30s. Alisson also didnt become very well renowned as a GK in Europe until 2017 as well. He would of been 25 or 26. Samir Handanovic only got real recognition as a geniune top level GK when he was around 27 or 28 as well around Europe. 

They may decline earlier but it depends on different circumstances, I dont think the majority of world class GKs are established as world class by 25 though. As I mentioned I maybe missed a few in that list but in the last 10 years particularly I cant think of many GKs who had it all by age 25 bar the Oblaks, de Geas, Courtois, Ter Stegens, Neuers etc.

 

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10 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

You must of not watched Kepa or any of our games last season then.... hes had a bad half a season but last season he was pretty good which nobody seems to mention. Hes hardly too average at everything, hes regressed but theres been talk of new GK coaches for a while now and when Sarri left the one on his staff also left. If we sign a new GK but the GK coaching behind the scenes isnt pushing or improving the GK then it will be same again. Onana, although a pretty decent GK, seems to be flavour of the month but I really have my doubts whether he is a major improvement on Kepa or not.

I think I watched more of Chelsea games last season than this season. Not sure anything change. The only thing that impress me with  kepa is his distribution, he is pretty good at passing the ball with both feet. 

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Same old problems, it shows Kepa might not actually be the problem
Kepa made various mistakes this season. But Willy was not at fault for the goals. Some great finishing with bad defending from our side.

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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Kepa made various mistakes this season. But Willy was not at fault for the goals. Some great finishing with bad defending from our side.

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Kepa was dropped after Arsenal game, and he was not at fault for goals there.

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Kepa was dropped after Arsenal game, and he was not at fault for goals there.
His positioning was very poor for Bellerin's goal

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6 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Kepa made various mistakes this season. But Willy was not at fault for the goals. Some great finishing with bad defending from our side.

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Caballero not at fault for the goals? He definitely was for Leicester's 2nd goal. Our defence is already unstable as it is but what did he do back then? Ran out of his line for a cross that never gonna be his, which caused even more panic, and then ran back to get back into position, only to see the ball flied past him into the goal. 

I know Caballero being bad doesn't mean Kepa is great but putting Caballero into the XI was supposed to make us feel more safe, more secured, more assured defensively but so far, has there been any difference? Still looking unstable as ever and Caballero has conceded 4 goals from 7 shots he's faced in the last 2 league games and none of the 3 saves are even outstanding saves from what I remember. 

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Caballero not at fault for the goals? He definitely was for Leicester's 2nd goal. Our defence is already unstable as it is but what did he do back then? Ran out of his line for a cross that never gonna be his, which caused even more panic, and then ran back to get back into position, only to see the ball flied past him into the goal. 
I know Caballero being bad doesn't mean Kepa is great but putting Caballero into the XI was supposed to make us feel more safe, more secured, more assured defensively but so far, has there been any difference? Still looking unstable as ever and Caballero has conceded 4 goals from 7 shots he's faced in the last 2 league games and none of the 3 saves are even outstanding saves from what I remember. 


Sorry, I meant Willy was not at fault for yesterdays goal.

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Lampard picking a 38-year-old ahead of £71.6m Kepa is quite some statement

https://theathletic.com/1613998/2020/02/18/chelsea-kepa-dropped-caballero-lampard/

There are many people connected to Chelsea who have cause to be worried about the future at the moment, but few have more reason to be concerned than Kepa Arrizabalaga.

Kepa had to watch from the sidelines as Manchester United made another significant step toward Champions League qualification at Chelsea’s expense on Monday night. To make matters worse, compatriot David de Gea surely edged closer to beating him in their personal duel to be Spain’s No 1 at Euro 2020.

The controversy surrounding three VAR decisions took centre stage in the immediate aftermath of United’s 2-0 victory at Stamford Bridge. The significance of the away side closing to within three points of Chelsea was understandably a focal point as well.

Yet there is no doubt that this was a very humbling occasion for the world’s most expensive goalkeeper – who signed a seven-year contract when his world-record transfer was agreed back in 2018.

For all the talk from coach Frank Lampard beforehand that Kepa had responded well to being left out against Leicester City before the winter break, it still wasn’t enough for him to regain a starting berth.

Indeed, Lampard didn’t take long to make up his mind over who would stand between the posts last night, having decided to keep faith with Willy Caballero before the weekend.

This has to be regarded as a greater humiliation even than the one experienced at Leicester. Chelsea versus Manchester United may not be the occasion it once was but it still attracts a vast global audience. Yet the only contribution Kepa made to it was in the warm-up.

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Lampard’s explanation for Kepa’s omission ahead of the fixture was quite damning. “It is not an easy decision, of course,” he explained to Sky Sports. “But like every player in the squad, I have to go on form; from what I see on the training ground, what I see off the pitch and what I see mainly in performance as well. I have just gone with that.

“I went with that with Willy before. It doesn’t mean anything long-term, it means we have to be competitive here. People have to show. I think Willy has been a fantastic professional, trains really well.

“He came in against Leicester and made a couple of really good saves in the game. I know the spotlight is on keepers more than any position. It is just a decision and we move on.”

But it is hard to see how Kepa moves on from here. Caballero couldn’t be blamed for the two goals he conceded against Manchester United so, given Lampard’s current assessment of the situation, has to be in line to face Tottenham Hotspur on Saturday as well.

Caballero is in his third season at Chelsea and has become a very popular figure within the squad. His ability to speak Spanish and English means he can converse well with all their players. At 38, though, he isn’t the long-term option — that is supposedly the role of Kepa, who is 13 years younger.

Kepa’s level of English has improved since joining from Athletic Bilbao for £71.6 million in August 2018 and The Athletic revealed earlier in the season that he has become more of a leader in the dressing room.

Sources have confirmed that, as Lampard stated, Kepa has responded professionally to being dropped but hasn’t been quite as upbeat around the camp.

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Unsurprisingly, the Spain international was very subdued when he took to the pitch on Monday night to go through some pre-match drills with Caballero, third-choice Jamie Cumming and goalkeeping coach Hilario.

Caballero had given an early indication he would be involved by walking out to inspect the playing surface with Pedro and Marcos Alonso 90 minutes before kick-off. He appeared calm and relaxed, cracking the odd joke with his team-mates.

By the time Kepa took to the field for the first time to join in the goalkeeping exercises 45 minutes later, the news had emerged that Caballero was in the starting line-up.

Body language can always be read a number of different ways and Kepa participated as any senior player would as Hilario tested all three keepers in turn on passing, collecting crosses and stopping shots. Yet there seemed little joy in his work and there didn’t appear to be many words exchanged with anyone.

While Caballero ran off to get ready with intent, sharing a passionate embrace with Hilario before going down the tunnel, Kepa headed to the dressing room afterwards almost unnoticed.

Normally when a high-profile figure is left out, the crowd show their feelings on the matter. So it must have stung Kepa to hear Caballero’s name cheered loudly when it was read out just before the whistle. There was also warm applause from the Matthew Harding End, which could be seen as Chelsea fans endorsing Lampard’s selection.

Caballero’s standing among the players was also clear to see as he exchanged emotive words of encouragement, high fives and hugs with all of them.

Lampard’s stance has to be regarded as a brave one under the circumstances. It is all very well leaving out such a costly recruit when results are good, but Chelsea have now picked up just 15 points from their last 14 matches.

But this is not the first time Lampard has made a bold call that could be frowned upon in the boardroom. Christian Pulisic, who joined from Borussia Dortmund last summer for £57.4 million, was omitted on a regular basis in the first few months of the campaign.

The manager made it clear in his pre-match press conference he would not take Kepa’s transfer fee into account when choosing the side. But picking a pushing-40 free-transfer signing ahead of him is still some statement.

Kepa has become a bit of a scapegoat among the fans for Chelsea’s inability to keep a clean sheet this season but Caballero’s inclusion has not improved matters as the team have conceded four goals in two fixtures.

Caballero was perhaps partly to blame for one of Leicester’s goals in the 2-2 draw in their previous game, but Chelsea’s problems at the back run a lot deeper than just one position.

They have conceded 36 times in 26 matches — only the 10th best record in the division. They have only five clean sheets (which ranks them 16th in the Premier League), have let in seven goals from corners (16th) and five from fast breaks (19th).

Such a dismal return is not down to the goalkeeper alone. Caballero certainly could not be blamed for failing to stop headers by Anthony Martial and Harry Maguire — the United duo climbed above Chelsea defenders Andreas Christensen and Antonio Rudiger respectively far too easily.

Kepa’s form and subsequent omission against Leicester has already sparked a lot of debate back in his homeland. He looked on course to be first choice at the European Championship this summer having started four of Spain’s qualifiers to De Gea’s two between September and November.

De Gea has hardly been looking assured for several months himself, although he had only one shot on target to face from Chelsea (not including the two goals disallowed by VAR). But obviously being in a team is better than not being involved at all, so Kepa has to be feeling anxious ahead of Spain’s friendlies against Germany and Holland in March.

With increasing suggestions that Chelsea are looking at Burnley’s Nick Pope and Andre Onana of Ajax to replace him in the summer, Kepa needs to convince Lampard of his quality as soon as possible.

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Hard to see a way back now. If Willy starts on Tuesday, Kepa is gone in the summer.

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Just now, LAM09 said:

Hard to see a way back now. If Willy starts on Tuesday, Kepa is gone in the summer.

I'm sure Caballero will start on Tuesday.

As for Kepa, I know the circumstances are different, but it's kinda funny how people like to jump the gun and say 'Player X is gone because of X, Y, Z' so quickly, because people did the same with CHO last summer and look what happened. We would probably look for a new keeper in the summer but I'd very surprised if Lampard doesn't put Kepa back in at some point to redeem himself. 

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Dont know who I'd rather start Tues..neither are the most amazing amazing amazing. Both do weird things! Just I dont think it's fair to keep Kepa on the bench forever so if not Tuesday Satuday? Then who knows after that.

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Just now, Laylabelle said:

Dont know who I'd rather start Tues..neither are the most amazing amazing amazing. Both do weird things! Just I dont think it's fair to keep Kepa on the bench forever so if not Tuesday Satuday? Then who knows after that.

Maybe Liverpool in the FA Cup...

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I'm sure Caballero will start on Tuesday.
As for Kepa, I know the circumstances are different, but it's kinda funny how people like to jump the gun and say 'Player X is gone because of X, Y, Z' so quickly, because people did the same with CHO last summer and look what happened. We would probably look for a new keeper in the summer but I'd very surprised if Lampard doesn't put Kepa back in at some point to redeem himself. 
It's rather straight forward when only two players are vying for one position and one of those players is almost 40.

Club & manager wanted CHO to stay. I doubt either are fussed about Kepa right now.

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Just now, LAM09 said:

It's rather straight forward when only two players are vying for one position and one of those players is almost 40.

Club & manager wanted CHO to stay. I doubt either are fussed about Kepa right now.

Tell that to the people who freaked out because the contract situation took ages to be sorted out...

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Tell that to the people who freaked out because the contract situation took ages to be sorted out...
I still believe his injury worked in our favour. If he was fit, Bayern would have gone all in after Sane got sidelined.

Don't believe it was that cut & dry.

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10 minutes ago, Jason said:

Maybe Liverpool in the FA Cup...

Which so far has been Caberello wonder if that will stay the same regardless. 

But if Kepa starts Tuesday that mean he is back in favour? Unless it goes wrong wrong. Expect him to start but who knows. Didnt expect not to today tbh. 

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I support decision to drop Kepa for a couple of games so he can wake up but since Caballero conceded 8 goals in 4 games and it's clearly not an upgrade there is no point to continue with this. 

We are just lowering Kepa's price in case we want to sell. 

And rumour I read yesterday that we offered 30m plus Kepa for Oblak is bullshit. 

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Chelsea are reportedly preparing an offer for a player-plus-cash swap deal for Atletico Madrid’s star goalkeeper Jan Oblak.

The Blues' proposed offer includes a swap for out-of-favour goalkeeper Kepa Arrizabalaga plus £25million – claims El Chiringuito TV – as the West London outfit attempts to lure the Slovenian international away from the Metropolitano Stadium.

Atletico’s Oblak, 27, is among Europe’s finest goalkeepers winning LaLiga Best Goalkeeper award four years running between 2016 and 2019.

Kepa, 25, who has struggled this season under new boss Frank Lampard, has been left out of the starting XI in the last four matches with Lampard opting for the services of veteran goalkeeper Willy Caballero.

The Spaniard has managed six clean sheets this season while Oblak has notched up 16 in all competitions.

source 'Currant Bun' 

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11 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Chelsea are reportedly preparing an offer for a player-plus-cash swap deal for Atletico Madrid’s star goalkeeper Jan Oblak.

The Blues' proposed offer includes a swap for out-of-favour goalkeeper Kepa Arrizabalaga plus £25million – claims El Chiringuito TV – as the West London outfit attempts to lure the Slovenian international away from the Metropolitano Stadium.

Atletico’s Oblak, 27, is among Europe’s finest goalkeepers winning LaLiga Best Goalkeeper award four years running between 2016 and 2019.

Kepa, 25, who has struggled this season under new boss Frank Lampard, has been left out of the starting XI in the last four matches with Lampard opting for the services of veteran goalkeeper Willy Caballero.

The Spaniard has managed six clean sheets this season while Oblak has notched up 16 in all competitions.

source 'Currant Bun' 

Atletico have been kind in taking away our deadwood strikers in the past but I don't think they're idiots enough to take 25 million + Kepa for Oblak. 

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