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17. Mateo Kovacic

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The lads hoing to be good for us.

Have a reminder what he does if you need one. Look at the difference in the dynamics he has and who the options are we have

 

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Sarri doesn`t really know the  senior squad he inherited yet,the youth talent..he`ll need a lot longer than he`s had in this short summer. by next summer he will know it better and can make decision if we need Kovacic then. unless we win the league and Kovacic is player of the year he`s likely to remain an after thought by Real. him say having a good Europa league campaign is not gonna make them really think he`s better than what they got. Kovacic is pissed off with Real and there`s burnt bridges there that might not be fixed. most good to great players enjoy their time at Chelsea.i`d say he`s gonna be one of them and won`t want to go back to the bench there because the "you can take over from Modric" carrot can just as easily be taken away when a shiney new toy of a player burst onto the scene. either way tho there are plenty of options out there for his position.when we have plenty of time to work out a deal. this short before the window closes he`s our best one.

potentially we could have used the we will swap our good player who wants to leave for your good player who wants to leave. both Cuntois and Kovacic are worth about the same but we left it too late. we found ourselves in a bad place and we got out of it pretty well all things considered. next summer we should have a better time of it..Sarri knowing who exactly he wants to keep who to sell,who he needs to buy etc..

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Tastes even better knowing that the scouse cunts had a verbal agreement to sign him last summer!!

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1 hour ago, Eidur the Spider said:

So we get a really good last minute loan signing to boost the midfield but cause there’s uncertainty over an option to buy some are negative. Bloody hell give it a rest! 

Well its sweet sour signing. Just exactly what you would expect from Chelsea board. They actualy manage to get their hands on Kovacic (who is quite big talent), but they manage to somewhat undo it by loaning without an option. Real puts price at 100m next summer and we are out of the race. And all the Real jokes if we develop Kovacic and he says fuck you and goes back to Real to further improve, and we only watch how good he performs while us stuck back to square one.

I cant understand people still have short term thinking here. We realy have to start with long term planning ffs. What will happen next summer? We lose Kovacic, we still will need LB and striker and probably RW etc etc. We have to slowly fix the squad and short term fixes shouldnt be an option. Unless club is confident they can land Kovacic next summer, I have no idea why would they agree to loan. It would feel like small club mentality.

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I hope you guys are aware that he is not a 17 year old that needs to be developed. He is already one of the best midfielders in PL and he made our midfield the best in the league.

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All we need now is Modrić to leave too. That will leave Real with no option than to buy one top class midfielder on a long term deal, which means bye bye place for Mateo. If Modrić stays, they will easily sell him next summer and have power to convince Mateo there is a place for him.

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15 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Well its sweet sour signing. Just exactly what you would expect from Chelsea board. They actualy manage to get their hands on Kovacic (who is quite big talent), but they manage to somewhat undo it by loaning without an option. Real puts price at 100m next summer and we are out of the race. And all the Real jokes if we develop Kovacic and he says fuck you and goes back to Real to further improve, and we only watch how good he performs while us stuck back to square one.

I cant understand people still have short term thinking here. We realy have to start with long term planning ffs. What will happen next summer? We lose Kovacic, we still will need LB and striker and probably RW etc etc. We have to slowly fix the squad and short term fixes shouldnt be an option. Unless club is confident they can land Kovacic next summer, I have no idea why would they agree to loan. It would feel like small club mentality.

Let's keep this in context. We spent 70m on a keeper. By loaning Kovacic, we were able to replace our AWOL keeper with a replacement that suits the managers style. 

At the same time, we managed to greatly improve our team for a year, for free. 

Next year, we will have the money. IF WE WANT KOVACIC NEXT YEAR WE CAN STILL BUY HIM. 

Finish in the top 4 and CL will help recruiting players anyway. As will a settled Sarri side. 

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2 minutes ago, Supermonkey92 said:

Let's keep this in context. We spent 70m on a keeper. By loaning Kovacic, we were able to replace our AWOL keeper with a replacement that suits the managers style. 

At the same time, we managed to greatly improve our team for a year, for free. 

Next year, we will have the money. IF WE WANT KOVACIC NEXT YEAR WE CAN STILL BUY HIM. 

Finish in the top 4 and CL will help recruiting players anyway. As will a settled Sarri side. 

Thats if everything goes in our favour. Real can slap 100m price on him if he has stellar season here. Hell, they might even want to keep him and he will love playing there if thats the case. If he is average, yeah we can get him, but then we would have to pay like 50m for someone who had average season...

Next year we will have the money like this year. We only spent 60m on new player, while GK was a panic/freak situation because we had to sell our first choice GK. Like Morata after Costa left. We hardly spend big on someone that we arent replacing, but rather adding to squad.

Besides Tibo likely brought 40m, thats 30m tops on Kepa after balancing out.

Jorginho for 60 and Kepa for 30 (plus 40m from Tibo sale)= 90m spent. Sell Baka, Drinks etc and you have enough for good mid.

This isnt excuse we couldnt afford another quality midfielder, but obviously not last day ffs because board is plain and simply stupid for taking the time with every damn thing.

''At the same time, we managed to greatly improve our team for a year, for free. ''

Here is the catch, like you said Kovacic isnt marquee name to add some boost, just a quality talent. And for only that I dont want to improve my team for just one year. I rather drive Audi for next 10 years than Porsche for a year and then drive some crap for 9 years. Long term is all what the board should be about. And if one Kovacic alone will drasticly improve us, then we realy are crap team haha.

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9 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Thats if everything goes in our favour. Real can slap 100m price on him if he has stellar season here. Hell, they might even want to keep him and he will love playing there if thats the case. If he is average, yeah we can get him, but then we would have to pay like 50m for someone who had average season...

Next year we will have the money like this year. We only spent 60m on new player, while GK was a panic/freak situation because we had to sell our first choice GK. Like Morata after Costa left. We hardly spend big on someone that we arent replacing, but rather adding to squad.

Besides Tibo likely brought 40m, thats 30m tops on Kepa after balancing out.

Jorginho for 60 and Kepa for 30 (plus 40m from Tibo sale)= 90m spent. Sell Baka, Drinks etc and you have enough for good mid.

This isnt excuse we couldnt afford another quality midfielder, but obviously not last day ffs because board is plain and simply stupid for taking the time with every damn thing.

''At the same time, we managed to greatly improve our team for a year, for free. ''

Here is the catch, like you said Kovacic isnt marquee name to add some boost, just a quality talent. And for only that I dont want to improve my team for just one year. I rather drive Audi for next 10 years than Porsche for a year and then drive some crap for 9 years. Long term is all what the board should be about. And if one Kovacic alone will drasticly improve us, then we realy are crap team haha.

Except you get the Porsche for free for a year and can buy an Audi for 10 years next year if you want. Or even keep the Porsche for 9 additional years after the free year if you can afford it.

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Good to see him come in. Sarri said it would take 3 months for him to get his style across and with signings like this, it would help make it a further step closer. As others said, perfect chnacea for Sarri to assess the level of players we have here for the season and then start to make additional changes if need be. Hell we could arrange something in January if all goes well.

Nice to see some more optimism into the season now, let's see if they can add a striker or winger before the deadline, though unlikely.....

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8 minutes ago, laeth said:

Except you get the Porsche for free for a year and can buy an Audi for 10 years next year if you want. Or even keep the Porsche for 9 additional years after the free year if you can afford it.

Mate, judging by how great our board is, we will get Fiat next summer.

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It leaves a bit of sour taste not having buy-out option after all is done, especially to me who was watching Mateo since he was much younger and always admired him. But well, I guess we need to survive this season. Let's survive this season first, all other questions should be asked later.

If he leaves after one year by any chance, I guess RLC or Barkley would come good by then to be enough. It's still a very very good move.

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Come on Inter, I know you guys have it in you to lure Modric away from the Bernabeu.

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2 hours ago, James said:

If he does well for us this season no way will Madrid sell now, the lack of a buy out clause is big indication that Perez wants him to stay. Reports in Spain have suggested that Madrid think he is the natural successor to Modric so basically its a win-win for them. Kovacic gets to play highly competitive football and by the time he returns next year Modric will be almost 34, perfect from a Madrid  point of view. 

It's positive for Chelsea as well, we are getting a quality player that probably makes our midfield trio the best in the league alongside City's. Also if he is a success and returns to Madrid next season at least the board know we have to replace him with a similar type of player, it's not ideal but definitely an upgrade on the likes of Baka, Drinkwater and Cesc. 

Hey.  A deal where both sides win.  How about that?

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1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

Thats if everything goes in our favour. Real can slap 100m price on him if he has stellar season here. Hell, they might even want to keep him and he will love playing there if thats the case. If he is average, yeah we can get him, but then we would have to pay like 50m for someone who had average season...

Next year we will have the money like this year. We only spent 60m on new player, while GK was a panic/freak situation because we had to sell our first choice GK. Like Morata after Costa left. We hardly spend big on someone that we arent replacing, but rather adding to squad.

Besides Tibo likely brought 40m, thats 30m tops on Kepa after balancing out.

Jorginho for 60 and Kepa for 30 (plus 40m from Tibo sale)= 90m spent. Sell Baka, Drinks etc and you have enough for good mid.

This isnt excuse we couldnt afford another quality midfielder, but obviously not last day ffs because board is plain and simply stupid for taking the time with every damn thing.

''At the same time, we managed to greatly improve our team for a year, for free. ''

Here is the catch, like you said Kovacic isnt marquee name to add some boost, just a quality talent. And for only that I dont want to improve my team for just one year. I rather drive Audi for next 10 years than Porsche for a year and then drive some crap for 9 years. Long term is all what the board should be about. And if one Kovacic alone will drasticly improve us, then we realy are crap team haha.

The board should not just be about long term. 

People get caught up in the hype over teams like Spurs and Liverpool with their long term projects. But it hasn't materialised into trophies which is the only true measure of success of the top clubs and it may never materialise. City are still the team to beat and who's to say that another team like us or United don't rise back up again. You can't just back on a long term vision because you never know what may happen with other clubs, your own players, etc a season or further from now. 

Yes, one eye on the future should always be there but primary focus should also be on the present. It's part of the reason why we've been so successful over the last 15 years. 

Despite all of our problems last season we weren't a million miles away from top 4 and if Kovacic contributes to making up that difference for us to get back into the top 4 this season, winning a cup, etc then the deal has been successful for Chelsea irrespective of whether there is an option to buy or not. 

And IF Chelsea want to buy him permanently and he carries a large price tag then i'm sure the club will look to compete for him. The signing of Kepa shows that the club will pay the money for the right player and a reasonable chunk of money can be raised selling some of our squad players like Bakayoko in much the same way as Courtois helped fund a proportion of Kepa.

Let's just focus on this next season which is of most importance at present. Our midfield options suddenly look far stronger than they did at the end of last season with Jorginho, Kovacic, a returning RLC and a fully fit Barkley. We suddenly don't just have a stellar starting midfield but we also have a lot of strength in depth now.

 

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Tell me this doesn't get the Blue in your heart pumping. Specially as the Dippers had a verbal agreement to sign him last summer too.

Some Tottenham fans react as Chelsea seal deal for Mateo Kovacic

Chelsea have beaten Tottenham to the signing of Mateo Kovacic.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/08/08/some-tottenham-fans-react-as-chelsea-seal-deal-for-mateo-kovacic/

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11 hours ago, milan.cech said:

When was the last time we had a player on loan from another team? Pato and before that Quaresma? :D 

I am soooo looking forward to watching him between Jorginho and Hazard!

Falcao in between. And Maniche I can think of. 

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8 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Thats if everything goes in our favour. Real can slap 100m price on him if he has stellar season here. Hell, they might even want to keep him and he will love playing there if thats the case. If he is average, yeah we can get him, but then we would have to pay like 50m for someone who had average season...

Next year we will have the money like this year. We only spent 60m on new player, while GK was a panic/freak situation because we had to sell our first choice GK. Like Morata after Costa left. We hardly spend big on someone that we arent replacing, but rather adding to squad.

Besides Tibo likely brought 40m, thats 30m tops on Kepa after balancing out.

Jorginho for 60 and Kepa for 30 (plus 40m from Tibo sale)= 90m spent. Sell Baka, Drinks etc and you have enough for good mid.

This isnt excuse we couldnt afford another quality midfielder, but obviously not last day ffs because board is plain and simply stupid for taking the time with every damn thing.

''At the same time, we managed to greatly improve our team for a year, for free. ''

Here is the catch, like you said Kovacic isnt marquee name to add some boost, just a quality talent. And for only that I dont want to improve my team for just one year. I rather drive Audi for next 10 years than Porsche for a year and then drive some crap for 9 years. Long term is all what the board should be about. And if one Kovacic alone will drasticly improve us, then we realy are crap team haha.

All signs have pointed to less spending this summer due to finishing outside the top 4 and so with no CL money this year. If we make top 4 this year, we will spend as much if not more next year. 

Kovacic greatly improves on what we have regardless of whether he plays to his potential or not. All our other options have huge weaknesses. Barkley isn't an actual CM especially on the defensive side, exactly the same issues amplified for RLC and Fabregas runs like a tubby toddler. Kovacic can defend, press high, has good passing and can drive better than Bakayoko ever did with the ball. 

I think our top 4 hopes have greatly improved. And if it's only certain for one year, it's better to be a team in the CL looking for  a replacement next year than deciding to do nothing this year and leave holes in the team.

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