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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

Most of the players are average as hell, we lost our best player and while knowing he will leave, we brought no replacement in january. 

We did. If Hazard sign an extension last year, I bet we won't sign Pulisic. Dude cost us £58m, we're not joking around. It's not a panic or hijack buy either. People might arguing he is not the same type as Hazard, etc. Guys may be right (his position will depends on the tactic used by incoming manager though), but think he will be an automatic starter nevertheless. He will fill that empty slot left by Hazard, directly or indirectly.

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1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

THose were most likely board signings. Conte wanted quality not average quantity. We shoved his throat with utter crap players. He wanted the likes of van dyke, sandro, naigolang etc. Not freaking Drinkwaters and zappacostas and Barkleys etc. We played utter direct and deadly footy with the Essiens Maka Mikel Lamps Ballack etc.....its all about ambition and willingless to pay and identify that certain player. We dont have the setup or the right people at helm to do this anymore.

You are failing to grasp that these managers have a type of preference, these were Conte signings. Conte is obsessed with covering spaces and these players were to meet these ends. If you look through out Conte signings and payers he valued at Chelsea and Juventus, it is quite clear they were his preferences. Our squad is filled with these type of players for a reason, it is really not hard to grasp. Secondly top players with technical players do not want to play for these managers. simply put they are moved by a more exciting football they enjoy. 

 

Man you are really living in the past if you think early Roman years could be recreated with the style and signings. Football has changed, our financial powers is not the same, our competition is greater, players preferences has moved, etc.

Without being the financial heavyweight in football, Chelsea has to offer a better product.

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7 minutes ago, RoyalBlues said:

We did. If Hazard sign an extension last year, I bet we won't sign Pulisic. Dude cost us £58m, we're not joking around. It's not a panic or hijack buy either. People might arguing he is not the same type as Hazard, etc. Guys may be right (his position will depends on the tactic used by incoming manager though), but think he will be an automatic starter nevertheless. He will fill that empty slot.

Drinkwater cost us 35m and he isnt even good enough for the bench. Morata cost us 55m or even more and flopped almost as hard as Bakayoko who cost 40m.

Just because we thrown 200m every summer doesnt mean we are improving the squad.

Just because Pulisic cost 58m doesnt mean we are now serious. He cost that much because he is american. Check Bvb forum, everyone was laughing at Chelsea for paying that much. But maybe he becomes great one day indeed because he is a raw talent. But worth 60m? Never. There are plenty cheaper players around in that bracket like Neres, Lozano,...

We might aswell spend 60m on Redmond and people will say oh we got serious now, he has to be great given the money we paid for him. Obviously not true.

We just love to overpay decent players. 60m for Pulisic is ok, but 70m for Pepe we cant do, too expensive. 40m for Drinkwater cool, but we coudnt pay for Sterling around that a year earlier. Bernardo Silva cost City 50m last year. Thats a top top talent. 

If we got Pulisic for 30m or if he was world class talent, fair enough, but its neither. He wasnt bought because we have shown ambition mate. Its all business reasons.

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There is no evidence or noticeable difference to make a judgement that Chelsea operated much better then rather than at the moment. Like i said in my previous post, a lot of things have changed mainly our financial strength and financial regulations to contend with. The status of Roman wealth has changed he has taken a financial decline in recent years, and a much rise to football inflation. A Sheva or Torres type spending was nothing to him at the time some of the most expensive signings in world football, to make similar type signing it would be in the upward of 100m+. He would be much more careful and weary to make those type of signings. 

 

I can write long post about the the climate differences between now and then, but in short it comes down to money. We throw money at our problems, and it worked. Now we cannot. We can spend at a respectful level right now, but not enough to blow away our competition. 

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11 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

You are failing to grasp that these managers have a type of preference, these were Conte signings. Conte is obsessed with covering spaces and these players were to meet these ends. If you look through out Conte signings and payers he valued at Chelsea and Juventus, it is quite clear they were his preferences. Our squad is filled with these type of players for a reason, it is really not hard to grasp. Secondly top players with technical players do not want to play for these managers. simply put they are moved by a more exciting football they enjoy. 

 

Man you are really living in the past if you think early Roman years could be recreated with the style and signings. Football has changed, our financial powers is not the same, our competition is greater, players preferences has moved, etc.

Without being the financial heavyweight in football, Chelsea has to offer a better product.

Sorry I dont buy that at all. Those were not Conte signings. They were panic buys end off imo. There is a reason he was so pissed you know....lack of support is the answer.

And we have plenty Cash, we just spend it on dross. Football hasnt changed, you give a good squad to Conte or Simone and see the results. Conte had Pogba Vidal Pirlo etc in Juve, thats quality. Not Drinkwater and the likes we shoved in his throat which costed over 80M Pounds, and lost Matic in the process.

Competition will always be there.....its how you build your team with the right setup that will define your future. We can easily get back to where we were, it may take 1-2 seasons but its def doable with the correct aproach, yes even with the so called dinosaur managers ( which by the way is our bread and butter and we were the best at it ).

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22 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Drinkwater cost us 35m and he isnt even good enough for the bench. Morata cost us 55m or even more and flopped almost as hard as Bakayoko who cost 40m.

Just because we thrown 200m every summer doesnt mean we are improving the squad.

Just because Pulisic cost 58m doesnt mean we are now serious. He cost that much because he is american. Check Bvb forum, everyone was laughing at Chelsea for paying that much. But maybe he becomes great one day indeed because he is a raw talent. But worth 60m? Never. There are plenty cheaper players around in that bracket like Neres, Lozano,...

We might aswell spend 60m on Redmond and people will say oh we got serious now, he has to be great given the money we paid for him. Obviously not true.

We just love to overpay decent players. 60m for Pulisic is ok, but 70m for Pepe we cant do, too expensive. 40m for Drinkwater cool, but we coudnt pay for Sterling around that a year earlier. Bernardo Silva cost City 50m last year. Thats a top top talent. 

If we got Pulisic for 30m or if he was world class talent, fair enough, but its neither. He wasnt bought because we have shown ambition mate. Its all business reasons.

The nature of the pressure within the club doesn't help. There is very little opportunity for most players to be given time and patience to 'bed in'. 

But what exacerbates this problem, is the club's transfer policy as a 'one in, one out'. I can fully understand the club needs to operate in such a way to comply with FFP and help raise funds for more transfer activity but it places even more pressure on players to hit the ground running. Bakayoko was injured when he arrived and got rushed back. Granted he looked poor all season long, but would he have been given a better foundation and more of a chance if Matic wasn't sold and we kept them both? Would Morata have coped better under less pressure initially than being the only striker the club had faith in?

Bernardo Silva didn't have a great first season in my opinion. But he was given the time to adapt to English football without intense pressure because City had far more options within the squad - De Bruyne, Silva, Sterling, Sane, etc. Now City are reaping the rewards last season, and when De Bruyne was injured for most of it Bernardo stepped up and filled the void. Would Chelsea have given him that time because we do have quite the track record of players either being sold or loaned out after just a season with the club.

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On 6/9/2019 at 10:05 PM, Clockwork said:

You are failing to grasp that these managers have a type of preference, these were Conte signings. Conte is obsessed with covering spaces and these players were to meet these ends. If you look through out Conte signings and payers he valued at Chelsea and Juventus, it is quite clear they were his preferences. Our squad is filled with these type of players for a reason, it is really not hard to grasp. Secondly top players with technical players do not want to play for these managers. simply put they are moved by a more exciting football they enjoy. 

 

Man you are really living in the past if you think early Roman years could be recreated with the style and signings. Football has changed, our financial powers is not the same, our competition is greater, players preferences has moved, etc.

Without being the financial heavyweight in football, Chelsea has to offer a better product.

Conte did not get his signings the board fucked them all up, he NEVER ask for the insane £69m (salary plus fees) Drinkwater nightmare

we fucked up basically everyone he asked for (easy list because he named them on dozens of occasions)

Alex Sandro

Alex Telles

Nainggolan

Sergi Roberto

Corentin Tolisso

Alessandro Florenzi

Koulibaly

Miralem Pjanic

Romagnoli

Brozovic

Bernardeschi

Icardi

Belotti

Immobile 

Zaha

Candreva (no great loss)

 

 

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1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

Sorry I dont buy that at all. Those were not Conte signings. They were panic buys end off imo. There is a reason he was so pissed you know....lack of support is the answer.

And we have plenty Cash, we just spend it on dross. Football hasnt changed, you give a good squad to Conte or Simone and see the results. Conte had Pogba Vidal Pirlo etc in Juve, thats quality. Not Drinkwater and the likes we shoved in his throat which costed over 80M Pounds, and lost Matic in the process.

Competition will always be there.....its how you build your team with the right setup that will define your future. We can easily get back to where we were, it may take 1-2 seasons but its def doable with the correct aproach, yes even with the so called dinosaur managers ( which by the way is our bread and butter and we were the best at it ).

Same for Mournino. He was pissed off at the support and the whole Sheva being a bit shite situation. Just repeats down the line really. 

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3 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The nature of the pressure within the club doesn't help. There is very little opportunity for most players to be given time and patience to 'bed in'. 

But what exacerbates this problem, is the club's transfer policy as a 'one in, one out'. I can fully understand the club needs to operate in such a way to comply with FFP and help raise funds for more transfer activity but it places even more pressure on players to hit the ground running. Bakayoko was injured when he arrived and got rushed back. Granted he looked poor all season long, but would he have been given a better foundation and more of a chance if Matic wasn't sold and we kept them both? Would Morata have coped better under less pressure initially than being the only striker the club had faith in?

Bernardo Silva didn't have a great first season in my opinion. But he was given the time to adapt to English football without intense pressure because City had far more options within the squad - De Bruyne, Silva, Sterling, Sane, etc. Now City are reaping the rewards last season, and when De Bruyne was injured for most of it Bernardo stepped up and filled the void. Would Chelsea have given him that time because we do have quite the track record of players either being sold or loaned out after just a season with the club.

1 in 1 out policy was understandable when we were planning to build a new stadium, but after that we could easily change that.

What is the real problem is that we replaced Costa with Morata, Matic with Bakayoko etc and spent way too much on shit players like Drinkwater.

It all very easily leads to our board having no clue what they are doing. 

You can lose a Salah or De Bruyne, buy a Drinkwater or Morata. Every club has fuckups. But Chelsea is doing it every year after year all combined. 

What is our vision? Our goal? Our project? Its unknown for years now. 

The club doesnt even release any statements anymore. Speculation of Sarri leaving for weeks and not a single statement that he is firmly staying put to calm us or that he is leaving.

When the situation is clear, every club admits it in public to inform the fans even if it isnt official  Chelsea informs us of nothing anymore. We are in the dark all the time for every important thing. I mean either say Sarri rumours are bs and he is preparing for preseason or just admit he is gone. 

Its all very simple realy. Sarri is leaving? Ok. So you tell the fans and inform them that initial plan is still there. That we will prioritize possesion football and youth now. And fucking stick to it for more than one year. Or something else, whatever the club is planning. Just explain it to the fans. 

But they dont. Probably they themselves dont k know shit. Last year it was Sarriball for 3 years, big plans. Youth thriving. Next season it will be the opposite leading to nowhere and Marina will get that idea of Sarriball/Avb style again before going back to pragmatic because it wont win us titles in first year. Rinse and repeat same shit over and over.

Midtable teams have better aspirations and projects for their position considering their smaller reach and budget.

Enough is said when Im not even concerned with the ban because we would buy something stupid again. 

Last summer and entire season we build on Jorginho just to lose the only manager that can manage system with him. Every other manager would prefer someone else in that position. And we are back to square one. 

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4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Conte did not get his signings the board fucked them all up, he NEVER ask for the insane £69m (salary plus fees) Drinkwater nightmare

we fucked up basically everyone he asked for (easy list because he named them on dozens of occasions)

Alex Sandro

Alex Telles

Nainggolan

Sergi Roberto

Corentin Tolisso

Alessandro Florenzi

Koulibaly

Miralem Pjanic

Romagnoli

Brozovic

Bernardeschi

Icardi

Belotti (meh)

Immobile 

Zaha

Candreva (no great loss)

 

 

Bunch of names on that list is disputable, and anyhow it fails to address the point of the players wanting to play for Chelsea under Conte. 

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8 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Drinkwater cost us 35m and he isnt even good enough for the bench. Morata cost us 55m or even more and flopped almost as hard as Bakayoko who cost 40m.

Just because we thrown 200m every summer doesnt mean we are improving the squad.

Just because Pulisic cost 58m doesnt mean we are now serious. He cost that much because he is american. Check Bvb forum, everyone was laughing at Chelsea for paying that much. But maybe he becomes great one day indeed because he is a raw talent. But worth 60m? Never. There are plenty cheaper players around in that bracket like Neres, Lozano,...

We might aswell spend 60m on Redmond and people will say oh we got serious now, he has to be great given the money we paid for him. Obviously not true.

We just love to overpay decent players. 60m for Pulisic is ok, but 70m for Pepe we cant do, too expensive. 40m for Drinkwater cool, but we coudnt pay for Sterling around that a year earlier. Bernardo Silva cost City 50m last year. Thats a top top talent. 

If we got Pulisic for 30m or if he was world class talent, fair enough, but its neither. He wasnt bought because we have shown ambition mate. Its all business reasons.

My point is that the club did prepare for Hazard departure though. Maybe they even know the ban is coming since January. Why we're not buying more players then? Well it is because everyone at the club, including Sarri himself, were still doubting whether he will stay or not at that point.

Whether the player is doing shit or not is another thing imo. Basically every club always gamble when signing players. It's not only us that unlucky. Barca with Dembele, Coutinho. PSG with Neymar, MU with Pogba, Lukaku. And so on.

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5 hours ago, Clockwork said:

Bunch of names on that list is disputable,

Sorry, nope

I see none on the team, and a shit tonne of fucked up negotiations

 

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guys what's going on there?

In italy journalists say sarri tomorrow sarri tomorrow sarri tomorrow from 10 days.

Do you have some news? I mean from english journalists not reporting italian sources

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16 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

So, still fuck all happening then.

Knowing us it'll drag on the whole summer. Remember last summer how long it took to sort the Conte situation? Everyone knew he was off from the day the season ended and yet it took ages. And remember the summer before that when we waited and waited and waited to sign a striker and then put in that embarrassing last second bid for Lukaku after he had already decided to go to United?

This time we'll probably fuck about for a month and then have a panic appointment with Blanc or something. 😂

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15 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Sorry I dont buy that at all. Those were not Conte signings. They were panic buys end off imo. There is a reason he was so pissed you know....lack of support is the answer.

And we have plenty Cash, we just spend it on dross. Football hasnt changed, you give a good squad to Conte or Simone and see the results. Conte had Pogba Vidal Pirlo etc in Juve, thats quality. Not Drinkwater and the likes we shoved in his throat which costed over 80M Pounds, and lost Matic in the process.

Competition will always be there.....its how you build your team with the right setup that will define your future. We can easily get back to where we were, it may take 1-2 seasons but its def doable with the correct aproach, yes even with the so called dinosaur managers ( which by the way is our bread and butter and we were the best at it ).

Of course Bakayoko was a Conte signing, if he wasn't he would have binned him quickly like he did Michy.

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Of course Bakayoko was a Conte signing, if he wasn't he would have binned him quickly like he did Michy.

Or maybe he just didnt have any other options so he was kinda forced in to it. Now he may have been a Conte signing, but I doubt he was going to rush him in like that, as he himself pointed out. No matter what mate, we fucked him over and are poorer for it. This Club under Marina etc just do not know how to let a winning manager do his shit, we always handicap ourselves.

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2 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Or maybe he just didnt have any other options so he was kinda forced in to it. Now he may have been a Conte signing, but I doubt he was going to rush him in like that, as he himself pointed out. No matter what mate, we fucked him over and are poorer for it. This Club under Marina etc just do not know how to let a winning manager do his shit, we always handicap ourselves.

That's life, if you can't get plan a you go for plan b if not b then c and so on. For example i can't imagine a Wijnaldum who had just been relegated with Newcastle was a first choice for Klopp for example but instead of acting like a schoolchild and moaning about how shit he was every chance he got he instead got on with it focused on getting the best out of him and hey presto, key cog in his European cup winning machine.

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Bakayoko is definitely a Conte signing, there were many stories of how Conte scouted Baka at the time. No one at the time was doubting he was Conte's preference. He turns out shit, revision he was the Board signing all along. 

 

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