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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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29 minutes ago, Antonio8 said:

ask to emery 

Emery could have easily won at the Bridge, they misses so many chances, but thankfuly we won. At their ground it was no contest. But we sure dealt with them in the final and I thanks the team and manager, but he is still an open book more often than not.

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7 hours ago, zekinjo said:

 Gonzalo Higuain was a mistake but it’s easy to say that now. 

This is how I’ve seen our ST situation in January: You can’t sign a very top player in January. Who in the world would let his first ST in January? We were in terrible situation at the time. Players couldn’t play attacking football, we struggled to create and score big time and some fans behaved like bunch of idiots. No backing for the coach from Marina etc. Situation with Roman etc was unbelievably amateurish.

Now, Chelsea FC could have payed at the time for Piatek £70m-£80m they’ve been asking from us but we had no guarantees he’ll do good in PL and it’s huge money. We don’t even know if Chelsea had the money because don’t forget Pulisic has literally signed for us out of nowhere for £60m at the time. So yes, Higuain was Sarri’s signing but on Loan deal what was considered as very good deal. Roman personally sanction this deal for Sarri but only because we couldn’t get or pay HUGE numbers for way younger version of world class ST in January. 

 

First off, Higs was mentioned as an option here for ages, before we even hired Sarri, and many of said NO NO NO NO. I was one of those leading the charge. I never rated him after he collapsed at Juve, plus he was already too old (that had a direct impact on his falling off too). It was NOT a good deal (the loan). His salary is insane (4th highest paid player in the EPL) and his loan fee was crazy high on top of that. His loan deal, fees plus salary, if it went the full 18 months was was 45 MILLION QUID (24m in fees (8m every 6 months), 21m in salary)  and we would not have even owned him at the end.

Furthermore, your numbers on Piatek are WAY off. He was never £70-80m, lolol.

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Bottom line, as usual, pure shit business by the bumbling board.

Even on the Eden sale, IF Hazard hits all the bonus, then his sale was as good as we could have gotten at the time, BUT only £88m (of the potential £130m) is guaranteed. I have yet to see the bonus structure, but IF a big chunk of that demands Ballon d'Or, La Liga champions, CL, champions, top goal scorer (or second, due to Messi) etc, then I am NOT at all sure we see the whole amount. We all knew he was bailing thsi summer, and last summer we could have wrenched out £185m or so plus a few million in bonuses, taken that 190m to 200m and rebuilt the team. The bans were already in the wind (regardless of some here who were in denial at that time), and as I warned repeatedly, we need to stop being fucking reactive, and start being proactive.

The puppet board is not capable of proactivity, it would seem. That £57.6m  Pulisic deal took (self-admitted by the board) a FULL YEAR to nail down. That is outrageous to take that long on a 19, 20 year old not named Mbappe. Dont even get me started on the insane money we turned down last summer for utter dregs like Willian, Luiz, Alonso, (£140m combined just for these 3 alone) etc etc. We have run ourselves aground and lost out on hundreds of millions (NOT JOKING) in cumulative lost sale valuations and horrid buys (almost £70m total cost for Donkeywater alone when fees plus salary are combined) due to horrific future-forward planning and actions

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

First off, Higs was mentioned as an option here for ages, before we even hired Sarri, and many of said NO NO NO NO. I was one of those leading the charge. I never rated him after he collapsed at Juve, plus he was already too old (that had a direct impact on his falling off too). It was NOT a good deal (the loan). His salary is insane (4th highest paid player in the EPL) and his loan fee was crazy high on top of that. His loan deal, fees plus salary, if it went the full 18 months was was 45 MILLION QUID (24m in fees (8m every 6 months), 21m in salary)  and we would not have even owned him at the end.

Amazing that sarri and the Club didnt see how this would turn out. EPL was always too much for him, too old, too slow to deal with EPL. In his prime yes, not this Higs though. Just waste of Cash......and sarri actually wanted him to stay if he was to be our manager next season? Fucking hell.

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1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

Amazing that sarri and the Club didnt see how this would turn out. EPL was always too much for him, too old, too slow to deal with EPL. In his prime yes, not this Higs though. Just waste of Cash......and sarri actually wanted him to stay if he was to be our manager next season? Fucking hell.

He turns 32yo the beginning of December. If we drop £27m (t-fee) plus £14m on salary I am going to lose my mind.

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12 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Amazing that sarri and the Club didnt see how this would turn out. EPL was always too much for him, too old, too slow to deal with EPL. In his prime yes, not this Higs though. Just waste of Cash......and sarri actually wanted him to stay 

This is exactly what a lot of us here said. Football is not rocket science, it was plain obvious the bloke couldn't handle the pace and physicality in the Premier League. Hell he was even struggling in Italy towards the end. No surprise really that Milan didn't try to keep him at all.

Though one thing surprised me about him and it was the amount of moaning and sulking during the match. I could imagine what it's like playing with him. Yeah that kind of behaviour wouldn't last long if I was his teammate. 

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1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

Last laugh in what way exactly? Why in the hell should any of us feel stupid? Im glad seeing the back of him. Never Chels quality and simply didnt get Chels. I thank him for his service but fuck me was it boring and clueless 80% of the time. And imo he planned this shit with Juve months and months ago,  I don't buy the nonsense that he asked Marina "do you want me to stay?" because no one does that when they're under contract. No one.  You just keep on going until you're told otherwise. Because he would rather manage Juventus than us, that simple. And it's a return home.  2. He knew the majority in the ground, and it definitely is a majority, did not like him or want him back next season. I for one will not have super fond memories of him, too sour, too inept tactically and simply way too stubborn......good luck to him.

Yet you want Simeone and Alllegri, the football world is moving away from these dinosaurs. Sarri is not Chelsea quality yet Allegri is being let go in favor of Sarri. 

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3 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Imagine playing this type of football with actual quality players, shame it needs so early. 

One more season?  we even can't play like this one more game...

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11 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Imagine playing this type of football with actual quality players, shame it ends so early. 

his football needs time to be learned. it's a pity that people don't recognize him the great job he has done. 

so I don't blame him if he want to leave

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Just now, Antonio8 said:

his football needs time to be learned. it's a pity that people don't recognize him the great job he has done. 

so I don't blame him if he want to leave

Definitely, the heavy amount of games in the second half of the season really stunted his football, the team needed more time on the training ground the busy schedule made that impossible. 

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Without a pre-season I don’t even know how we ended behind Man City and Liverpool. EL is a crap competition, we’re probably the most serious and expensive team by miles in that competition so it’s logical Chelsea should win. It’s not like it’s Champions League level competition. Not even close.

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

He turns 32yo the beginning of December. If we drop £27m (t-fee) plus £14.m on salary I am going to lose my mind.

Not even our board wuld do that....yes even ours, cuz its lunacy of gigantic proportions.

1 hour ago, Bosnian Blue said:

This is exactly what a lot of us here said. Football is not rocket science, it was plain obvious the bloke couldn't handle the pace and physicality in the Premier League. Hell he was even struggling in Italy towards the end. No surprise really that Milan didn't try to keep him at all.

Though one thing surprised me about him and it was the amount of moaning and sulking during the match. I could imagine what it's like playing with him. Yeah that kind of behaviour wouldn't last long if I was his teammate. 

Spot on....yet sarri wanted him well knowing how tough epl is, andseemingly still wanted him if he were to stay.

1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

Yet you want Simeone and Alllegri, the football world is moving away from these dinosaurs. Sarri is not Chelsea quality yet Allegri is being let go in favor of Sarri. 

Allegri was at JUve for over 5 seasons, won the lot and got to 2 CL finals, im willing to bet Juve will be weaker with Sarri. And I really dont get this diss against so called pragmatic footy, dinosaurs or what have you. Give me Conte Simone etc any day over the likes of Sarri. Solid, pacy and direct......intent. You give a quality squad to Simone and he will fuck you up.

57 minutes ago, Antonio8 said:

his football needs time to be learned. it's a pity that people don't recognize him the great job he has done. 

so I don't blame him if he want to leave

Yes its all our fault, we are the reason he is running away.......give me a break, that just shows he was never tough enough to begin with. And what is it we should recognize? His stubornness? His flawed tactics? His game management? Motivational skills? His awesome subs to change a game? His flexibility? Maybe endless possession back and forth? He got us EL, or rather we can also say we got him his first medal.  

55 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Definitely, the heavy amount of games in the second half of the season really stunted his football, the team needed more time on the training ground the busy schedule made that impossible. 

No what stunted him was his inability to recognize his footy were not optimal with this squad, and thus we suffered.

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11 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

 

Yes its all our fault, we are the reason he is running away.......give me a break, that just shows he was never tough enough to begin with. And what is it we should recognize? His stubornness? His flawed tactics? His game management? Motivational skills? His awesome subs to change a game? His flexibility? Maybe endless possession back and forth? He got us EL, or rather we can also say we got him his first medal.  

 

so next year, with another coach, it will be easy to win again so don't panic 

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1 minute ago, Antonio8 said:

so next year, with another coach, it will be easy to win again so don't panic 

Never said that, but you never know in footy.....its actually the Sarri in folks that shouldt panic. Cuz in their opinion he was THE guy for us, he would have made us an empire seemingly and that we are supremely stupid for letting him go, but this is Chels, even when we suck ass we somehow win something....we will survive just fine Sarri-less.

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If you want those managers than better accept more Bakayoko and Drinkwater type signing, those are the players ready to line up for these guys. 

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34 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

If you want those managers than better accept more Bakayoko and Drinkwater type signing, those are the players ready to line up for these guys. 

THose were most likely board signings. Conte wanted quality not average quantity. We shoved his throat with utter crap players. He wanted the likes of van dyke, sandro, naigolang etc. Not freaking Drinkwaters and zappacostas and Barkleys etc. We played utter direct and deadly footy with the Essiens Maka Mikel Lamps Ballack etc.....its all about ambition and willingless to pay and identify that certain player. We dont have the setup or the right people at helm to do this anymore.

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Sarri would also be perfect for the likes of RLC, Odoi, Pulisic and James because they dont have any specific style yet and they would adapt quicker to Sarriball than say Willian, Pedro, Kante,...

Its such a cock up once again.

We used to be banter hollywood club past few seasons but we are getting downright pathetic. Fucking joke the whole club. Changing managers and now we cant even keep them. Most of the players are average as hell, we lost our best player and while knowing he will leave, we brought no replacement in january. 

Now just get a fucking pragmatic manager who will dump Cho, Ruben, James and all promising players on the bench and play Willian and co because experience just to save his ass for short time before we sack him and he sues us for compensation. Rinse and repeat. 

The last time we actualy shown any seriousness was the year we bought Kante and the following season. Everything went downhil after that. Everything. Such a joke. 

I have some hope for the young players along with couple senior players, but everything else is one massive shite.

Nowdays, It should be all about Sarriball project, keeping Hazard and improving the team significantly. But yeah, we get a ban, Hazard leaves, cant sign anyone now, Sarri about to leave too. What is the point of this club now? How can you support anything right now when they are showing absolutely no direction? Today its this, tomorrow its something else. Where are we going as a club? Is priority to make money? To sell shirts in america? The club realy believes we will compete next season with Pedro, Willian and Giroud? 

At this rate we are closer to losing Kante, CHO and any other quality player at this club than improving the team in the following seasons.

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2 hours ago, zekinjo said:

Without a pre-season I don’t even know how we ended behind Man City and Liverpool. EL is a crap competition, we’re probably the most serious and expensive team by miles in that competition so it’s logical Chelsea should win. It’s not like it’s Champions League level competition. Not even close.

Whilst obviously it is not the CL, it does have actual CL teams in it (3rd place drop downs) and is far from a weak competition, it is not a cakewalk like you make it out to be.

some of the teams in it this year

Benfica (CL next year)

Napoli CL drop down (CL next year, 2nd place in Serie A by a mile)

Inter CL drop down (CL next year)

Valencia CL drop down (CL next year)

Sporting Lisbon (CL next year)

Bayer Leverkusen (CL next year)

AC Milan (EL next year, lost out on CL by one point)

Villarreal (drew or beat all the top 8 La Liga teams, knocked out a really good Sporting side) They did utterly collapse the second half of La Liga.

RB Salzburg (CL drop down, CL next year, deep run in Europe in 2018,(almost made it the EL final), were ranked as high as the 18th best team in UEF in 2018, although they have lost key players, 6 in a row Bundesliga champs, 7 out of 8) If they were in the EPL (and thus had that additional money) and able to keep their players they have developed over the past 5,7 years, they would be potential top 7 team, they have a superb board and scouting, Best-run smaller league club in Europe.

Marseille (lost the last EL final to Atetico Madrid) AM being in the EL shows its strength as well.

Chels

Arse

The last 10 winners

Six CL/European Cup  trophies between them, plus six  runners up

13 EL/UEFA Cup trophies, and none of those teams have ever lost an EL/UC final

7 UEFA Super Cup Trophies, 12 runners up

1 FIFA World Club trophy, 1 runner up (Chels, the only Trophy we do  not have now)

4 Intercontinental Cup trophies, 1 runner up

65 League winner trophies

115 league cups

 

211 major domestic, Europe and World trophies, split between 5 clubs

that is hardly chopped liver

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30 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Sarri would also be perfect for the likes of RLC, Odoi, Pulisic and James because they dont have any specific style yet and they would adapt quicker to Sarriball than say Willian, Pedro, Kante,...

Its such a cock up once again.

We used to be banter hollywood club past few seasons but we are getting downright pathetic. Fucking joke the whole club. Changing managers and now we cant even keep them. Most of the players are average as hell, we lost our best player and while knowing he will leave, we brought no replacement in january. 

Now just get a fucking pragmatic manager who will dump Cho, Ruben, James and all promising players on the bench and play Willian and co because experience just to save his ass for short time before we sack him and he sues us for compensation. Rinse and repeat. 

The last time we actualy shown any seriousness was the year we bought Kante and the following season. Everything went downhil after that. Everything. Such a joke. 

I have some hope for the young players along with couple senior players, but everything else is one massive shite.

Nowdays, It should be all about Sarriball project, keeping Hazard and improving the team significantly. But yeah, we get a ban, Hazard leaves, cant sign anyone now, Sarri about to leave too. What is the point of this club now? How can you support anything right now when they are showing absolutely no direction? Today its this, tomorrow its something else. Where are we going as a club? Is priority to make money? To sell shirts in america? The club realy believes we will compete next season with Pedro, Willian and Giroud? 

At this rate we are closer to losing Kante, CHO and any other quality player at this club than improving the team in the following seasons.

Its fucking pathetic the leaders in the Club get to fuck up time after time and yet get to keep their job. We have zero vision, no planning, no ambition and long term insight. We have slowly but surely moved from winning to a business model. Its about money, not results....and thats a sure way of losing your status. Results/ winning will on auto bring alot of revenue, we have sacrificed one of them for the other, so stupid.

The overall hierachy and squad quality is to me the worst in the RA era, by far.

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