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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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The lack of a top level striker and RLC's injury are what will hurt us next season regardless of manager coming in but I still don't think they'll be much difference between the 4 teams challenging for the 2 other Champions League places again. It'll be interesting to see what Giroud would possibly manage to do as first choice next season. Perhaps playing regularly in the Premier League he could push for around Hazard's numbers for goals (what was it this season 16?), and if others chip in around him it may be enough next season. 

When fully fit, I believe we have a better well rounded team than both United and Arsenal and that's even without Hazard. There are huge question marks over those two teams and major surgery needed. Arsenal likely won't spend the money they need to and United in recent seasons have been abysmal with their transfer policy. If some transfer reports are correct too, they are targeting a lot of younger talents too and may be looking at a bit more of a long term view of things which will also take some time.

The only thing in my opinion Spurs has going for them over us is a proven goalscorer which will time and again bail them out of tight games, but they too are in desperate need of freshening up and there's talk of Poch breaking a fair amount of this team up so you don't know which way for the short term that will lead.

 

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18 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

The absolute scenes if Lampard makes Alonso his #1 left back. 

Can't wait to see the 180 of some members. 

Honestly it wouldnt be a surprise if that happens ... It all depends who shows more determination in training :)

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9 minutes ago, coolhead23 said:

Honestly it wouldnt be a surprise if that happens ... It all depends who shows more determination in training :)

Ah so if Lampard picks Alonso, it's because he shows more in training. But if Sarri picked him, it's because he was purposely sabotaging. 

Btw, I've looked at your posts regarding Alonso/Emerson. Different tune you are blowing now. :)

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If Lamps comes in he wil be afforded time thanks to the ban.........He will have us going and pushing in one direction and the players will be with him. Will that alone be good enough? Will we see Progress and the overall hunger and fight greater? Or they could get Allegry and most likely be safer? This week we'll see.

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15 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

 

I don't think a core group of fans would have an issue with this (I certainly wouldn't), but the board will then need to appreciate a genuine period of transition may be necessary and not be expecting immediate results.

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this makes good sense, with hazard gone and no transfers the expectations will be lower than ever, and given who he is , he can expect more patience. Perfect chance to him to use players like mount too and then spend big next summer if needed

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1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Ah so if Lampard picks Alonso, it's because he shows more in training. But if Sarri picked him, it's because he was purposely sabotaging. 

Btw, I've looked at your posts regarding Alonso/Emerson. Different tune you are blowing now. :)

Alonso is not the right LB for us or for anyone ... Period!!! Will always maintain it whether Sarri picks or Lampard. 

The problem with the next manager is that we only have 2 LBs to chose from ... Emerson or Alonso so who ever shows more determination will be picked it is as simple as that. There is no different tune here, these are the only notes we have access to. 

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34 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

The absolute scenes if Lampard makes Alonso his #1 left back. 

Can't wait to see the 180 of some members. 

There'll be no 180 from me, that's for sure. I'll treat every manager/coach as equal. Lampard will have no free pass from me because he's a "legend".

If he dares starts Alonso over Emerson as #1, he'll get stick from me on this. He's a shite leftback.

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Just now, coolhead23 said:

Alonso is not the right LB for us or for anyone ... Period!!! Will always maintain it whether Sarri picks or Lampard. 

The problem with the next manager is that we only have 2 LBs to chose from ... Emerson or Alonso so who ever shows more determination will be picked it is as simple as that. There is no different tune here, these are the only notes we have access to. 

So what if Lampard picks Alonso after he's continuously made mistakes whereas Emerson has shown promise? Are you suggesting you won't criticise him the way you have mercilly criticised Sarri?

Laughable. Take a look back at your posts. 

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

There'll be no 180 from me, that's for sure. I'll treat every manager/coach as equal. Lampard will have no free pass from me because he's a "legend".

If he dares starts Alonso over Emerson as #1, he'll get stick from me on this. He's a shite leftback.

Least there's this honesty and consistency. 

Bare in mind, this is all because of the laughable notion that Lampard will be given time by both the club and the fans. 

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Lampard isn't ready yet and he will ruin his managerial career by coming here with the current group of players and a transfer ban. I'm afraid the only way we can achieve top 4 next season is with a Mourinho-esque masterclass...

In my opinion, I see the two non-suicidal options being:

1.  Transfer ban stays -> keep Sarri at all costs OR bring an a highly experienced manager e.g. Allegri 

2. Transfer ban delayed -> Lampard can / should be considered.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Least there's this honesty and consistency. 

Bare in mind, this is all because of the laughable notion that Lampard will be given time by both the club and the fans. 

Why you making it sound like we will diss a manager as sson as he fucks up? We did to Sarri for a couple of games and at that point as awful as it is he deserved it. He was doing the same BS tactics and subs whether we were behind or not, we were supremely boring and the man kept doing the same shit.....he wasnt slagged for games on end. The fans aint stupid, they know we are in a shitty place with the ban and a shitty squad compared to our standards.....they want fight and hunger, some tactical flexibility to turn the game around etc. Lamps will be given some time by the Club and fans.....if he comes that is.

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2 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Why you making it sound like we will diss a manager as sson as he fucks up? We did to Sarri for a couple of games and at that point as awful as it is he deserved it. He was doing the same BS tactics and subs whether we were behind or not, we were supremely boring and the man kept doing the same shit.....he wasnt slagged for games on end. The fans aint stupid, they know we are in a shitty place with the ban and a shitty squad compared to our standards.....they want fight and hunger, some tactical flexibility to turn the game around etc. Lamps will be given some time by the Club and fans.....if he comes that is.

Here's the thing...what if Lampard does the same BS tactics and subs? Are you saying we shouldn't get pissed off because he's Lampard?

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Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

So what if Lampard picks Alonso after he's continuously made mistakes whereas Emerson has shown promise? Are you suggesting you won't criticise him the way you have mercilly criticised Sarri?

If Lampard or any manager picks someone it will be based on what he see in a player in training and the analysis of the player in his system... If that player doesnt deliver and if the manager keeps going with him, he will surely be criticized which was exactly the case with Sarri.

Alonso was appreciated when he moved as a LWB under Conte but once he was put in the back 4 system he failed. Sarri's mistake was that he kept playing him over and over despite Alonso's mistakes expecting different results... thats when u have to criticize the manager. If Lampard or anyone else does the same thing, he would be beaten up just like Sarri. 

 

11 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Laughable. Take a look back at your posts. 

I m glad i was able to make you laugh, it is a tough skill to have these days. And thanks for taking the pain to go back to my post, appreciate it!!!

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13 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Why you making it sound like we will diss a manager as sson as he fucks up? We did to Sarri for a couple of games and at that point as awful as it is he deserved it. He was doing the same BS tactics and subs whether we were behind or not, we were supremely boring and the man kept doing the same shit.....he wasnt slagged for games on end. The fans aint stupid, they know we are in a shitty place with the ban and a shitty squad compared to our standards.....they want fight and hunger, some tactical flexibility to turn the game around etc. Lamps will be given some time by the Club and fans.....if he comes that is.

What makes you think Lampard won't come here and do the same? We have a limited squad, so it is bound to happen. :lol: 

The sheer fact you have convinced yourself that Lampard will come in and do all the things you've mentioned, is bizarre speculation based on emotional appeal. 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Least there's this honesty and consistency. 

Bare in mind, this is all because of the laughable notion that Lampard will be given time by both the club and the fans. 

He should not be given a free pass, he has to perform like everybody else does. I do think he'll be better placed than Sarri has been from a media perspective to be able and more willing to explain things that he may be trying to change with the club or what things are or aren't working. Sarri hardly helped himself in the media I don't think. Obviously results still need to take place on the pitch but I think if Lampard did come in and came out at the start of the season and said that with the transfer restrictions we're going to lean more on the younger players to play a bigger role but it'll take some time I think the fans would accept that.

The notion of the board giving him time is an interesting one because I am firmly of the belief that in recent years the club has done a lot more to give managers time. Mourinho had us flirting with the relegation zone well past Xmas before he was finally given the boot (and there were clearly issues with some players in the squad), Conte was speculated to be given the boot early on in his tenure before he switched to a back 3 and also on a number of occasions last season and the club retained him. I believe they would have also given him more time and wouldn't have sacked him after last season if he hadn't fallen out with the board and been openly critical. And Sarri similarly has been through some sticky situations this season and the club didn't pull the trigger and if rumours are to be believed it's Sarri and not the club pushing for his exit this summer. The media speculation mid season surrounding Conte and Sarri being sacked was an easy story for the media given our past record with managers, but I don't believe the club was closest in the slightest to getting rid of them at those stages in time.

Of course actions speak louder than words and until it potentially happened its difficult to speculate. If Lampard came in, bombed and we were mid table and going nowhere then you're right the club would have to seriously consider his future. However if Lampard kept us consolidated within the top 6 (which should still be attainable) and had integrated another couple of younger players into the team then I do believe the board will give him some leeway and time.

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36 minutes ago, Mana said:

Here's the thing...what if Lampard does the same BS tactics and subs? Are you saying we shouldn't get pissed off because he's Lampard?

What Coolhead said.....

23 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

What makes you think Lampard won't come here and do the same? We have a limited squad, so it is bound to happen. :lol: 

The sheer fact you have convinced yourself that Lampard will come in and do all the things you've mentioned, is bizarre speculation based on emotional appeal. 

 

 

Not at all....im not saying should he fuck up time and time again ala Sarri that he should get a free pass just cuz he is Lamps, no way. But if we see some progress, fight and desire then hey it is what it is. No one gets afree pass in Chels but doesnt mean we are ultra blind and ungrateful.

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