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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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46 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Yes, that's why I am making the point. I believe the board would be more willing to give time to a club legend than effectively a nobody. 

 

Don't need to go through anything, thanks. Bournemouth's last three final standings were 9th, 12th, 14th (spent £80M! in the season just gone), so could you please show me the progress and signs of CL material?

It might be best to look at the bigger picture in future. 

That might have something to do with having a stadium almost 6x the size in capacity. 

His playing career should have no bearing on his managerial career at all... if he comes in doesnt do well he doesnt deserve a tonne more time because hes Frank Lampard... ridiculous.

Weve binned top managers such as Ancelotti - who has achieved more than most in the modern game - for finishing 2nd. Also Robbie Di Matteo, not a top manager fair enough but a hugely popular ex player who won a CL and FA cup the previous season sas sacked after 6 months. 

Why does Lampard deserve special treatment based on his playing career? He will know the risks coming into it if we go for him. To get sentimental and use his playing career as a gambit for much more time than others who have done tenfold that what he has as a manager? Would be crazy.

Regarding Eddie Howe, he is a decent coach but nothing more. He has done well in the football leagues and has earned his place in the PL though. Hes still got enough time to get a bigger club but he would need to do a lot better next season at Bournemouth and have a really good year considering biggish outlays on players such as Ake, Lerma, Jordon Ibe, David Brooks, Dom Solanke, Lloyd Kelly over the years for a club like Bournemouth. For instance if he had spent that sort of cash at the likes of an Everton he would probably get slated for finishing once in the top ten.

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18 minutes ago, Mana said:

How do you know the players he got was his own doing? Also one of their highest paid players Solanke only played 10 matches the whole season.

How do you know otherwise? Trying to rebut the points without any actual proof is of no worth to the discussion. 

8 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I expect Lampard to get sacked if we are trophyless or fail to make top 4. And I expect the fans to turn on him the moment Alonso or Willian get a run of games. 

I don't base my facts on conjecture. I base it on history. 

They are presumptions, nonetheless.

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53 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

There seems to be some bizarre notion that Lampad will be given time from the board and the fans. And that the players will all of a sudden put in 110% shifts every week. Just because it's Lampard. 

 

 

It's not bizarre that the fans would give one of our own more time than most others that could come in. 

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2 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

How do you know otherwise? Trying to rebut the points without any actual proof is of no worth to the discussion. 

Solanke, one of the players they bought in this (past) season definitely played only 10 games for Bournemouth. That's not guesswork, that is a fact.

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8 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

His playing career should have no bearing on his managerial career at all... if he comes in doesnt do well he doesnt deserve a tonne more time because hes Frank Lampard... ridiculous.

Weve binned top managers such as Ancelotti - who has achieved more than most in the modern game - for finishing 2nd. Also Robbie Di Matteo, not a top manager fair enough but a hugely popular ex player who won a CL and FA cup the previous season sas sacked after 6 months. 

Why does Lampard deserve special treatment based on his playing career? He will know the risks coming into it if we go for him. To get sentimental and use his playing career as a gambit for much more time than others who have done tenfold that what he has as a manager? Would be crazy.

Please point me in the direction where I stated he is deserving of more leeway? 

People keep going on about the past despite it having little relevance to today. It's clear Roman/Board want to go down a different patch, which is emphasised by Cech's imminent arrival.

1 minute ago, Mana said:

Solanke, one of the players they bought in this (past) season definitely played only 10 games for Bournemouth. That's not guesswork, that is a fact.

In my eyes, Howe bought him just like Ibe. Money down the drain 

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6 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Please point me in the direction where I stated he is deserving of more leeway? 

People keep going on about the past despite it having little relevance to today. It's clear Roman/Board want to go down a different patch, which is emphasised by Cech's imminent arrival.

Lol, I'm telling you right now. If Sarri didn't win the EL, the board would most likely given him the boot. In fact, towards the end of the season there were rumours of him getting sacked.

Different path? Adding Cech may change a few things in terms of transfers but that doesn't mean the board will now stop sacking coaches lol

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In my eyes, Howe bought him just like Ibe. Money down the drain 

Howe is the head coach. Generally head coaches don't have a say on the transfers although they can suggest.

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Just now, Mana said:

Lol, I'm telling you right now. If Sarri didn't win the EL, the board would mos likely given him the boot. In fact, towards the end of the season there were rumours of him getting sacked.

There were rumours after losing 4-0 to Bournemouth, there were rumours after 6-0 to City, etc. I'm sure Sarri's objective was a top 4 finish with anything else being an added bonus.

Roman personally scheduled that friendly, so I highly doubt the EL was on his agenda at all.

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20 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Please point me in the direction where I stated he is deserving of more leeway? 

People keep going on about the past despite it having little relevance to today. It's clear Roman/Board want to go down a different patch, which is emphasised by Cech's imminent arrival.

Well to requote, you said you believe the board would be willing to give him extra time. Okay you didny say it but you beliebe the board would be willing to? Basically? Cmon we seen it with Villas-Boas before who again had just won a treble with Porto the previous season... there is no such thing as properly giving a manager time here. Again though, my question is what does Franks playing career have to remotedly do with his managerial career? He knows the club yes being a legend here but it has no other bearing on anything. 

Appointing Cech barely signals a change in direction, we didnt replace Emenalo who was basically sporting director, didnt manage to get Campos or Monchi in who were previously linked (even then who knows did we even go for them?) so I would hardly say appointing Cech is a massive change. Its a position that has needed filled since Emenalo left clearly based on some of the dross weve signed over the years.

Just because the club wants to do what the likes of other clubs have been doing for years, keep integrating ex players and club legends into its running in some capacity its barely anything revelutionary or cutting edge, clubs have been doing it for years. Even then we have got ex players and have had them involved in some capacity: Jody Morris, Carlo Cudicini, Paulo Ferreira, Henrique Hilario, Joe Cole, Tore Andre Flo, Gianfranco Zola, Andy Myers off the top of my head all involved in different capacities at the club. Its hardly a signal of change is it when weve been doing it before across the board?

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19 minutes ago, Mana said:

Lol, I'm telling you right now. If Sarri didn't win the EL, the board would most likely given him the boot.

This is gold. You state a fact and then finish it with speculation. Sarri might have agreed to join Juve before the final if so the board wouldn't have sacked him in fact the complete opposite (again speculation not fact ).

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This is gold. You state a fact and then finish it with speculation. Sarri might have agreed to join Juve before the final if so the board wouldn't have sacked him in fact the complete opposite (again speculation not fact ).

Lol. I didn’t state it as a fact as I said IF. And I also said ‘would have most likely’.
Please get a pair of glasses.

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5 hours ago, Costa19 said:

Momblano: According to the agent Ramadani, Sarri frees himself from Chelsea today.

Momblano: Again according to this agent, Sarri will be announced as a new Juventus coach by Wednesday

Momblano: This version found no denials from Juventus.

[Momblano] “Chelsea will let Sarri go today & before wednesday he will sign for Juventus...according to the manager of Sarri. But I have different info.”

Momblano: Today I can only remain on the name of Guardiola. Because I believe that Juve has worked on those levels.
 
Momblano: Juve's attempt on Guardiola does not depend on the sentence but on the will of Guardiola himself.
 
Momblano: If Juve signs Sarri tomorrow it's because Guardiola says "I don't feel like it". But I believe in it little.
 
Momblano: From what I guessed Sarri and Sarri's entourage feel they are Juve's first choice.
 
Momblano: There are two press releases that will decide, let's see what comes first. The Chelsea communiqué or the Uefa ruling on the City.
 
Apparently this "Momblano" is some Juve ITK journalist. Found these quotes on a Juve forum coming from a TV show this "Momblano" is doing live at the moment.
Looks like Juve trying/tried to sign Pep because he have a clause releasing him from his contract at City if they fail to qualify for CL and they might get banned by UEFA.

and Pep has rubbished every single rumour and was even told this Momblano got the Cr7 rumour right and replied "well sorry, but hes wrong this time, im going nowhere, i will manage man city next season"  Even said he is fed up of answering it, its total nonsense

 But this Momblano plonker still peddles his BS.

 

Reading that, it smacks of someone backtracking and covering his arse

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1 hour ago, Pizy said:

Honestly, none of the available options are better than Sarri. Not Allegri, not Blanc, not Lamps,  not Gracia. None of them.

Both have pros and cons but overall Allegri is better than Sarri at the moment imo.

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Just now, RoyalBlues said:

Both have pros and cons but overall Allegri is better than Sarri at the moment imo.

yeh, allegri is better than Sarri.  And you'd have to possibly include Blanc because although he won Ligue 1 with PSG, he won it with bordeaux, too

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12 minutes ago, Mana said:


Lol. I didn’t state it as a fact as I said IF. And I also said ‘would have most likely’.
Please get a pair of glasses.

Your words I'm telling you right now and then you say something might have happened which of course didn't. I don't need glasses mate you should try and rein in the total bollocks and constant moaning.

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38 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

All hinges on the transfer ban for me. Transfer ban remains it's Lampard and Morris, it gets lifted it's Allegri.

Have to agree but still think that Allegri should be the priority regardless of transfer ban. Think his tactical flexibility would be ideally suited to this squad and the PL. There is one thing that I am unsure about regarding Allegri other than the faft he will have other offers is how intense he is as a coach regardless of philosophy. A good example of this is Pep when he left Bayern and was replaced by Ancelotti, Bayern bemoaned a lack of intensity and challenge which ended up in Ancelotti being dismissed eventually and I think Sarri is another intense coach so that could maybe be a bit of an issue as Allegri is another guy who is a lot more chilled out. I think Juve fans were a bit concerned after he replaced Conte with this too,  although they were disappointed with his appointment at first. Even then I think it could not necessarily be a big fuss but just something Id be maybe consider as a downside to Allegri, if you want to call it that. Some of these players need to be driven, pushed, provoked to do better. Especially a large quantity of the squad who have disappointed over the last few sessons. Although Allegri has won 5 Serie A titles in a row so maybe I am just thinking too much into it.

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31 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

All hinges on the transfer ban for me. Transfer ban remains it's Lampard and Morris, it gets lifted it's Allegri.

Agreed. Lamps and Morris will manage if the ban is upheld. Plus Big Pete returning upstairs.

Think a few other managers will make it known to the club if that they're interested should we be granted the stay. Then the club will have several options to choose from.

Feel like it's basically 90% Lamps at this point. 

 

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