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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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If the board have one redeeming act, it's to continue with progressive managers. 

Fuck the Mourinho's 

Fuck the Allegri's

Fuck the Simeone's

Fuck the Santo's

Fuck the Gracia's

Fuck em 

 

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If any current PL manager is under consideration by the club it should be Eddie Howe. Great man manager who coaches nice,mat tacking football. His teams are super inconsistent defensively but so is just about everyone else.

I'd be interested to see how he'd get on with better players. Not sure we'd look at him, though, because he's not exotic enough.

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18 hours ago, y10edn said:

I have always sympathised with him here, Sarri came weeks into the season, new country, didn't speak the language.

He spoke the language fine and was effectively fluent having worked in London previously. 

 

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

If any current PL manager is under consideration by the club it should be Eddie Howe. Great man manager who coaches nice,mat tacking football. His teams are super inconsistent defensively but so is just about everyone else.

I'd be interested to see how he'd get on with better players. Not sure we'd look at him, though, because he's not exotic enough.

He'd be a bigger risk than Lampard tbh.

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7 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

He'd be a bigger risk than Lampard tbh.

...how exactly?

I know Howe is a risk, but how is he a bigger risk than Lampard?

Lampard only coached for ONE season, and that's in the fecking Championship.

Howe has been coaching for years in the PL. He has way more experience in the highest level than Lampard.

And no, don't use the silly "He knows Chelsea more"...that means jackshite.

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

...how exactly?

I know Howe is a risk, but how is he a bigger risk than Lampard?

Lampard only coached for ONE season, and that's in the fecking Championship.

Howe has been coaching for years in the PL. He has way more experience in the highest level than Lampard.

And no, don't use the silly "He knows Chelsea more"...that means jackshite.

He won't be afforded time, that's how.

Howe is a decent manager, but the hype around him is largely down to his nationality. 

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Just now, LAM09 said:

He won't be afforded time, that's how.

And Lampard would? What makes you think he would be given time over Howe?

Just now, LAM09 said:

Howe is a decent manager, but the hype around him is largely down to his nationality. 

 Absolutely not. Have you seen what Howe did with Bournemouth? Or do I have to go through it with you?

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1 hour ago, Pizy said:

If any current PL manager is under consideration by the club it should be Eddie Howe. Great man manager who coaches nice,mat tacking football. His teams are super inconsistent defensively but so is just about everyone else.

I'd be interested to see how he'd get on with better players. Not sure we'd look at him, though, because he's not exotic enough.

I find Eddie Howe to be overrated, TBH. His Bournemouth side play good football but as you said, they can't defend (you can't just brush it off like it's nothing if we want to succeed at the highest level) and Howe doesn't seem to offer much in terms of tactical variety.

Furthermore, since he got Bournemouth to the Premier League in 2015, he has spent £136.5 million - which is quite a lot when you consider some of the smaller sides don't even get to spend that much - and finished 16th, 9th, 12th and 14th, with a return of 42, 46, 44, 45 points respectively.

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

And Lampard would? What makes you think he would be given time over Howe?

There seems to be some bizarre notion that Lampad will be given time from the board and the fans. And that the players will all of a sudden put in 110% shifts every week. Just because it's Lampard. 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Mana said:

And Lampard would? What makes you think he would be given time over Howe?

Absolutely not. Have you seen what Howe did with Bournemouth? Or do I have to go through it with you?

Yes, that's why I am making the point. I believe the board would be more willing to give time to a club legend than effectively a nobody. 

 

Don't need to go through anything, thanks. Bournemouth's last three final standings were 9th, 12th, 14th (spent £80M! in the season just gone), so could you please show me the progress and signs of CL material?

It might be best to look at the bigger picture in future. 

2 minutes ago, Mana said:

 West Ham spent more than Bournemouth across four seasons and Bournemouth finished above them twice.

That might have something to do with having a stadium almost 6x the size in capacity. 

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

I find Eddie Howe to be overrated, TBH. His Bournemouth side play good football but as you said, they can't defend (you can't just brush it off like it's nothing if we want to succeed at the highest level) and Howe doesn't seem to offer much in terms of tactical variety.

Furthermore, since he got Bournemouth to the Premier League in 2015, he has spent £136.5 million - which is quite a lot when you consider some of the smaller sides don't even get to spend that much - and finished 16th, 9th, 12th and 14th, with a return of 42, 46, 44, 45 points respectively.

There is a reason why they can't defend. They have crappy defenders. Bournemouth are not a big club or even a medium-sized club (although year after year, they are becoming that). West Ham spent more than Bournemouth across four seasons and Bournemouth finished above them twice.

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

I find Eddie Howe to be overrated, TBH. His Bournemouth side play good football but as you said, they can't defend (you can't just brush it off like it's nothing if we want to succeed at the highest level) and Howe doesn't seem to offer much in terms of tactical variety.

Furthermore, since he got Bournemouth to the Premier League in 2015, he has spent £136.5 million - which is quite a lot when you consider some of the smaller sides don't even get to spend that much - and finished 16th, 9th, 12th and 14th, with a return of 42, 46, 44, 45 points respectively.

Didn't say I wanted him here, just that if we're looking within the league I'd rather him than Gracia.

Honestly, none of the available options are better than Sarri. Not Allegri, not Blanc, not Lamps,  not Gracia. None of them.

Anyone we get is going to struggle without the transfer window to freshen things up. That's why keeping Sarri is the best course of action. At least he knows the squad well.

 

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Just now, LAM09 said:

Yes, that's why I am making the point. I believe the board would be more willing to give time to a club legend than an effectively a nobody.

Have you forgotten Di Matteo? So no, I strongly disagree. They will not give him more time.

Just now, LAM09 said:

Don't need to go through anything, thanks. Bournemouth's last three final standings were 9th, 12th, 14th (spent £80M! in the season just gone), so could you please show me the progress and signs of CL material?

It might be best to look at the bigger picture in future. 

WTF. Bournemouth were never going to reach CL with their budget, no matter how good Howe is. They need to spend way more than £80m to challenge for even EL.

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Just now, Mana said:

There is a reason why they can't defend. They have crappy defenders. Bournemouth are not a big club or even a medium-sized club (although year after year, they are becoming that). West Ham spent more than Bournemouth across four seasons and Bournemouth finished above them twice.

They might have crappy defenders but if there's proper tactical organization, it can help mask the deficiency. But I don't think we have seen that and even if they have finished above the likes of West Ham, look at their points return. Just above the 40s, doing just enough to stay in the league and that's it. I don't get the sense that they're going anywhere. Reminds me of Tony Pulis at Stoke, where he did just enough to keep them up, played the same dull football year in year out and eventually got booted out. 

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3 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Didn't say I wanted him here, just that if we're looking within the league I'd rather him than Gracia.

Honestly, none of the available options are better than Sarri. Not Allegri, not Blanc, not Lamps,  not Gracia. None of them.

Anyone we get is going to struggle without the transfer window to freshen things up. That's why keeping Sarri is the best course of action. At least he knows the squad well.

That last notion there is a bit silly when in terms of results, Conte came in and straight away won the league and Sarri took us to the third and won the Europa League. That's just our last two managers. 

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3 minutes ago, Mana said:

Have you forgotten Di Matteo? So no, I strongly disagree. They will not give him more time.

Di Matteo was a stop gap last time I checked and only got the job because of his triumph in Munich. Not exactly the same.  

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

WTF. Bournemouth were never going to reach CL with their budget, no matter how good Howe is. They need to spend way more than £80m to challenge for even EL.

That clearly wasn't the point I was making. Howe has been given considerable backing and there is no sign of progression.

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7 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Yes, that's why I am making the point. I believe the board would be more willing to give time to a club legend than effectively a nobody. 

Why would this club give time to an inexperienced manager vs experienced managers? How is that financially viable? Since when has this club ever leaned towards sentimentals vs efficiency? 

 

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Why would this club give time to an inexperienced manager vs experienced managers? How is that financially viable? Since when has this club ever leaned towards sentimentals vs efficiency? 
 
There's an exception to every rule. We'll find out should Lampard get the job.

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9 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Di Matteo was a stop gap last time I checked and only got the job because of his triumph in Munich. Not exactly the same. 

Your point is that a "legend" will be given time. Di Matteo got the job because of his triumph in Munich, yes but he should have been given time to change things. He wasn't given the time. Lampard won't be any different. Maybe he'll last the season, but if Lampard gets no trophies, no CL...he's out. Chelsea is still ruthless in sacking today.

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That clearly wasn't the point I was making. Howe has been given considerable backing and there is no sign of progression.

You do know Howe is the head coach, not manager? How do you know the players he got was his own doing? Also one of their highest paid players Solanke only played 10 matches the whole season.

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9 minutes ago, LAM09 said:
10 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:
Why would this club give time to an inexperienced manager vs experienced managers? How is that financially viable? Since when has this club ever leaned towards sentimentals vs efficiency? 
 

There's an exception to every rule. We'll find out should Lampard get the job.

I expect Lampard to get sacked if we are trophyless or fail to make top 4. And I expect the fans to turn on him the moment Alonso or Willian get a run of games. 

I don't base my facts on conjecture. I base it on history. 

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