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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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19 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

13 times we've conceded a goal between 45-56mins.

Sarri's half time team talks working well then.

Its because teams know that as soon they press us we look lost and start panicking. And they usualy start with blitzkriegs in the second half.

When they do, I often expect us to concede in those phases.

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20 hours ago, Vesper said:

lolol, based off what? The last WC? LOLOLOL

ridiculous

I have seen him coach Germany so many years and I can tell that he is such a biased coach. It took him so many years to realise that some guys are not good enough, while other players that were so much better did not get a fair chance.He reminds me a lot of Sarri, only real difference is that he actually gives youth a chance. After WC, I stopped watching Germany games, but I can tell you that he always plays 4-2-3-1 (til I stopped watching Germany games), while Sarri only plays 4-3-3. You don´t have to change your formation every time, but at least change it once in a while because every team knew how to to play against a 4-2-3-1. He also has his favourite player and even if they underperform, they will start and that is one of the reasons why Germany underperformed in recent times. He is a very predictable, unflexible coach that had the luck to coach the golden generation of German footballers. There are way better german coaches out there like Klopp or Tuchel, but I would not consider him a good coach. The only positives I see about him as a coach is that he is not a youth hater and he is a good motivator. Apart from that, I don´t see any big strenghts.

Also, I did not want to offend you,it seemed that you took my comment very hard. I think that was the only time I ever disagreed with you and on this topic, I disagree big time .

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6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I have seen him coach Germany so many years and I can tell that he is such a biased coach. It took him so many years to realise that some guys are not good enough, while other players that were so much better did not get a fair chance.He reminds me a lot of Sarri, only real difference is that he actually gives youth a chance. After WC, I stopped watching Germany games, but I can tell you that he always plays 4-2-3-1 (til I stopped watching Germany games), while Sarri only plays 4-3-3. You don´t have to change your formation every time, but at least change it once in a while because every team knew how to to play against a 4-2-3-1. He also has his favourite player and even if they underperform, they will start and that is one of the reasons why Germany underperformed in recent times. He is a very predictable, unflexible coach that had the luck to coach the golden generation of German footballers. There are way better german coaches out there like Klopp or Tuchel, but I would not consider him a good coach. The only positives I see about him as a coach is that he is not a youth hater and he is a good motivator. Apart from that, I don´t see any big strenghts.

Also, I did not want to offend you,it seemed that you took my comment very hard. I think that was the only time I ever disagreed with you and on this topic, I disagree big time .

sorry if I came on a bit strong, those are valid points:)

I was just trying to match a manager to all those points the other poster put up

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Which is it. 

Either Sarri deliberately tells our players to drop the intensity and to relax

Or our players lose their focus the moment the opposition puts on pressure

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4 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Which is it. 

Either Sarri deliberately tells our players to drop the intensity and to relax

Or our players lose their focus the moment the opposition puts on pressure

C'mon now. Let's not pretend as if opponents don't put us under pressure in other periods of the game. 

And not to mention, we conceded only 6 goals between 46-60 minutes last season with almost the same group of players.

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4 hours ago, Tomo said:

Four games away from the end of the league and we are 4 points of last seasons total, you would think/hope we will at the very worst match it. Add to the fact this season has been a massive culture shift in the club, most of the first team didn't arrive till 1 week before the league started and we have had Europa distractions all season (added to a league cup final run has meant a brutal schedule which has lead to high match turnover basically all season). Right now i think Sarri has should get the benefit of the doubt given what I've listed above.

That said there's some aspects he needs a big improvement on. His tactics on big and even 2nd tier away games, our results have not been good enough and the way we capitulate at times is beyond pale, his big game away results at Napoli were pretty good iirc so he needs to translate that to here because we can't have anymore humiliations. His squad management was a big concern of mine 2 months ago but recently he seems to have improved a lot on that score, only Azpi is really getting "flogged" to the level we feared our entire starting Xl would be at this stage, hopefully this is a sign he's learning to better utilize his squad.

All in all i want to see where giving him a second season alongside a proper pre season will take us, if we get to October and still no progress or worse we go backwards then okay bye bye, we won't be winning the league next season so it's worth a roll of the dice.

you're right, but you have to consider also if there will be the ban or not. with the ban I don't know if it would be smart to continue with sarri 

because most of the players don't fit his football 

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5 hours ago, Tomo said:

Four games away from the end of the league and we are 4 points of last seasons total, you would think/hope we will at the very worst match it. Add to the fact this season has been a massive culture shift in the club, most of the first team didn't arrive till 1 week before the league started and we have had Europa distractions all season (added to a league cup final run has meant a brutal schedule which has lead to high match turnover basically all season). Right now i think Sarri has should get the benefit of the doubt given what I've listed above.

That said there's some aspects he needs a big improvement on. His tactics on big and even 2nd tier away games, our results have not been good enough and the way we capitulate at times is beyond pale, his big game away results at Napoli were pretty good iirc so he needs to translate that to here because we can't have anymore humiliations. His squad management was a big concern of mine 2 months ago but recently he seems to have improved a lot on that score, only Azpi is really getting "flogged" to the level we feared our entire starting Xl would be at this stage, hopefully this is a sign he's learning to better utilize his squad.

All in all i want to see where giving him a second season alongside a proper pre season will take us, if we get to October and still no progress or worse we go backwards then okay bye bye, we won't be winning the league next season so it's worth a roll of the dice.

Is that more of hope than anything else? You've gone from backing Sarri to wanting him out to now backing him again. :carlo: 

Sarri has shown nothing this season to suggest that he deserves to stay on for a second season (can't be bothered to mention the reasons again). Having a full pre-season with the first team would help but really, that is just a convenient excuse. Was that getting thrown around when we had that unbeaten run up till November? How often do you see people throw around this pre-season excuse when things go wrong? Half of the pre-season is usually spent travelling around and managers don't often get to train the players properly anyway. If you want proper full time, get knocked out of Europe and the cup competitions early!

Speaking of Europe and cup competitions, I really don't get why you brought that up as some sort of distractions. We as a club want to be as successful as possible, want to win as many trophies as possible and now you're lamenting the fact that we have had to play so many games? 

Sarri did have an OKAY record in the big away games with Napoli but playing away at Man City, Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham is completely different than going to Juventus, Inter, Milan, Roma etc. 

I don't get what's the point of giving Sarri until October (or whatever month) just to see whether we are improving or going backwards when nothing this season has suggested that things will get better under him. It'll be worse if that transfer ban sticks, he can't buy his own players and he's stuck with the same set of players that he can't get the best out of. Also let's say if we sack Sarri in October, new manager comes in and does not do well immediately, then are you going to use the pre-season as an excuse again? If we're to sack Sarri, we're better off just doing it after the season and give the new manager proper time for squad planning, pre-season training etc rather than waste more time with Sarri and whatever uncertainty that will follow with him. Otherwise, we'll just become like Arsenal - stick with a manager who we all know isn't going to work and basically just left praying that things will come good. 

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Nah, my stance still stands. Failure to get CL this season needs to get him the boot. I don’t trust the man going forward. Too many woeful mistakes.

Sarri isn’t going to become a Klopp or a Pep. He’s Wenger MKII. The sooner people realise that, the better.

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2 hours ago, Mana said:

Nah, my stance still stands. Failure to get CL this season needs to get him the boot. I don’t trust the man going forward. Too many woeful mistakes.

Sarri isn’t going to become a Klopp or a Pep. He’s Wenger MKII. The sooner people realise that, the better.

Another season to come to this conclusion. 

We shall see next season. 

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4 hours ago, Jason said:

Is that more of hope than anything else? You've gone from backing Sarri to wanting him out to now backing him again. :carlo: 

Sarri has shown nothing this season to suggest that he deserves to stay on for a second season (can't be bothered to mention the reasons again). Having a full pre-season with the first team would help but really, that is just a convenient excuse. Was that getting thrown around when we had that unbeaten run up till November? How often do you see people throw around this pre-season excuse when things go wrong? Half of the pre-season is usually spent travelling around and managers don't often get to train the players properly anyway. If you want proper full time, get knocked out of Europe and the cup competitions early!

Speaking of Europe and cup competitions, I really don't get why you brought that up as some sort of distractions. We as a club want to be as successful as possible, want to win as many trophies as possible and now you're lamenting the fact that we have had to play so many games? 

Sarri did have an OKAY record in the big away games with Napoli but playing away at Man City, Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham is completely different than going to Juventus, Inter, Milan, Roma etc. 

I don't get what's the point of giving Sarri until October (or whatever month) just to see whether we are improving or going backwards when nothing this season has suggested that things will get better under him. It'll be worse if that transfer ban sticks, he can't buy his own players and he's stuck with the same set of players that he can't get the best out of. Also let's say if we sack Sarri in October, new manager comes in and does not do well immediately, then are you going to use the pre-season as an excuse again? If we're to sack Sarri, we're better off just doing it after the season and give the new manager proper time for squad planning, pre-season training etc rather than waste more time with Sarri and whatever uncertainty that will follow with him. Otherwise, we'll just become like Arsenal - stick with a manager who we all know isn't going to work and basically just left praying that things will come good. 

I wanted him gone after he was not playing youth and still playing crap. 

Now he's playing youth, and I'm okay with everything now. 

I always wanted a manager to play youth. No one has done what Sarri is doing for RLC. And if CHO stays I'm sure he will get better and more opportunity next season. 

Andreas....I don't know I'm not sold on him. I much rather get Ake back and have him then Andreas. Andreas for some reason I don't know does not fill me with confidence. But we shall see what happens to him next season. 

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Means F all if Sarri is gonna stick around. 

I get your not keen on Sarri but who is gonna replace him?

And realistically speaking because we arent going to appoint Joachim Low, Didier Deschamps or whatever other fantasy international coach some people think we could going off this forum at times and we have no chance for the likes of a Pochettino, Max Allegri or even a guy like Julian Naglesmann who is going Leipzig.

Laurent Blanc? Roberto Martinez? David Moyes? Eddie Howe? Javi Gracia? Nuno? 

Id rather Sarri got a second season that any of those. Lets be honest, changing manager is a bad idea, we changed Conte for Sarri, which was probably a very bad move looking at the level of coaches they are in comparison but still poor recruitment, bad results and whatever fuckd his 2nd year here. People couldnt stand Mourinhos last season, couldnt stand Contes last and now cant stand Sarri in his first....

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13 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I get your not keen on Sarri but who is gonna replace him?

And realistically speaking because we arent going to appoint Joachim Low, Didier Deschamps or whatever other fantasy international coach some people think we could going off this forum at times and we have no chance for the likes of a Pochettino, Max Allegri or even a guy like Julian Naglesmann who is going Leipzig.

Laurent Blanc? Roberto Martinez? David Moyes? Eddie Howe? Javi Gracia? Nuno?

Nuno. Hasenhuttl. Hell, might not even hurt to just hire an upcoming manager like Lampard since we've hired successful managers and somewhat less managers but are philosophers and gotten nowhere with both.

16 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Id rather Sarri got a second season that any of those. Lets be honest, changing manager is a bad idea, we changed Conte for Sarri, which was probably a very bad move looking at the level of coaches they are in comparison but still poor recruitment, bad results and whatever fuckd his 2nd year here. People couldnt stand Mourinhos last season, couldnt stand Contes last and now cant stand Sarri in his first....

Changing manager isn't great but sticking with Sarri isn't great either based on what we've seen this season. I would be willing to see Sarri stay if there has been progression, a promise that things will get better next season. But nope. We've been going from one disaster to another or if not, looking like idiots out there and Sarri has shown himself to be clueless in different things.

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