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Special Juan

Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

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4 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Fair point, it has taken a long time for him to play these players but I do think playing them away at Liverpool is a big indicator that he is ready to run with them as a big part of our squad moving forward.

Better late than never I guess but given how things panned out, all I see is a manager who lacked the balls to change his stubborn ways with his starting XI when we all saw the problem and he only did so after the fans protested against him for the second time within a month. Things might have gotten slightly better but it looked like an act of desperation from a man who was trying to save himself from the sack! It's also worth questioning whether he knows his best starting XI when he keeps making some mind-boggling changes from time-to-time. And this starting XI issue is only one of many issues with Sarri...

4 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I don't think what he's doing is revolutionary but a part of me does worry if Sarri walks in the summer, will we revert back to square one with a new manager wanting to play a completely different way and suddenly Willian/Pedro are ahead of CHO in the pecking order, etc immediately based on reputation, giving under performing players yet another chance. At the moment everything is pure speculation but if the club let some players leave in the summer and looked to refresh the squad with some academy and loan players and Sarri is open to working with them, as well as continuing to develop the likes of RLC and CHO, that may not be a bad choice. Especially if we are restricted in the summer with a transfer ban.

Willian and Pedro have only 1 year left on their contracts. They can't be kept around forever. Even our board can't fail to realize that. If we avoid the transfer ban, we might well sell Willian given his contract situation (hello Barcelona...). 

It's a case of putting your faith in idiots in this one but if we sack Sarri, then gotta hope the board actually do their due diligence in the hiring process and not just hire the flavor of the month.

I don't trust Sarri to manage and improve our young players. Take for example with CHO. For months, Sarri said one thing about him but then did another thing. It took two protests, countless of sacking reports, and media pressure for him to actually start CHO a tad more regularly than before. What does that say about him? Plus, he has barely managed to improve any of our senior players. If he can't do that, then what makes you feel confident that he will do so with our youth players in the long run? This is a manager who prefers to stick with bang average players like Kovacic. He would stick with the likes of him over more talented players.

4 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I think he has improved RLC and CHO as the season has gone on, especially tactically. Now this may be just as much down to the players learning and adapting to Sarri's methods and tactics but if that is the case then it adds further strength to a plan to try and bring through a couple more academy players next season because they seem to be the biggest positives currently.

That positivity isn't gonna hide Sarri's deficiencies in the long run. Even if he has improved Loftus-Cheek and CHO, it doesn't mean he's the right manager long term wise. It's a similar case when we had Benitez in the past.

Nothing Sarri has done this season gives me confidence that he will do better next time if we let him stick around and you could probably make a strong argument that we have the worst manager among the top six. Probably the worst of all is I rarely enjoy watching us play anymore this season. Am used to us having shit seasons but Sarri has just completely sucked the life out of football with the things he's done, which is ironic after he said he wanted to bring 'fun' to our play!

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Too many fuckups Sarri has done. Just too many. If yesterday was an off day, fair enough. But it’s like almost every PL game is an off day. Our away performances has been absolutely shocking overall. Yesterday wasn’t shocking, but it’s an improved version of the same shit we have been seeing.

 

Now we are in the position of praying that Arsenal fucks up their two games in hand to get us back in it. Oh, and we still have to go to Old Trafford. We could be NINE points behind Arsenal after losing to United.

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30 minutes ago, Mana said:

Too many fuckups Sarri has done. Just too many. If yesterday was an off day, fair enough. But it’s like almost every PL game is an off day. Our away performances has been absolutely shocking overall. Yesterday wasn’t shocking, but it’s an improved version of the same shit we have been seeing.

 

Now we are in the position of praying that Arsenal fucks up their two games in hand to get us back in it. Oh, and we still have to go to Old Trafford. We could be NINE points behind Arsenal after losing to United.

I still don't care. 

Playing youth, and I'm happy with that. 

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47 minutes ago, Mana said:

Too many fuckups Sarri has done. Just too many. If yesterday was an off day, fair enough. But it’s like almost every PL game is an off day. Our away performances has been absolutely shocking overall. Yesterday wasn’t shocking, but it’s an improved version of the same shit we have been seeing.

 

Now we are in the position of praying that Arsenal fucks up their two games in hand to get us back in it. Oh, and we still have to go to Old Trafford. We could be NINE points behind Arsenal after losing to United.

the ten games that fucked us (the Liverpool game due to us choking and ending up with a draw via that Sturridge wonder shot)

the only true upset game we won was that Shitty game, which gave the old smoker false hope that his cocked-up false nine was worthwhile

6 draws, 4 losses

The 6 most outrageous ones drawing at West Ham, drawing at home v Everton, losing at home to Leicester, drawing at home to SOTON, that HORRID 4 nil away to bloody Bournemouth (Sarri should have been sacked at that point) and then drawing at home v Wolves (one could argue that losing at Wolves in a close game was not that bad, as they are a great team on their night at home, but not that great away)

that's 14 dropped points right there 

IF we took just 8 points of those 14 dropped in those 6 games, JUST 8 ( and still added ZERO points gained from those other 4 games as well)

and LOST to Manure in the upcoming game

and won the other 3 remaining

we would be third, no team could mathematically catch us even if they won every game left, if we took 7 points (so half) only Spurs could tie us (GD would matter then) and that is they win EVERY game left, including Shitty away

no one could mathematically catch us, not arse, not Spuds

 

there is the season's post-mortem if we do not win the EL (as that is 90% the only way we are getting CL)

unless there is massive cock ups, I do not see us getting 4th or 3rd

even if we win the last 4 EPL games

still care about the Manure game

as we can guarantee them no CL next year (pretty much) with a win

that is massive, as it will so fuck them up in the transfer market for the HUGE players

 

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2 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

So then who is the right man for the job, out of curiosity? 

I'll ask this again, who supposedly is the 'right man' for the job if so many people don't think it's Sarri?

 

Seems to me, by what you lot want, is a manager that does these things - 

- Plays and develops Youth

- Plays entertaining football

- Won Trophies

- Has a plan B

- Good in the transfer market 

- Isn't stubborn and adapts his style

 

So who is this manager then? 

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I still don't care. 
Playing youth, and I'm happy with that. 

Bring in Big Sam then. As long he’s playing youth, you’ll be happy with him too!
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Loads of games you could look at and point to this and that, but the problem being is we went into the season with another shit transfer window and some very average players.

Alonso, Morata,Willian, Pedro and Luiz are really not that good when you compare what others have, to them. It looked good for a while but the best teams sustain and in tough games dig deep, not only dig deep but see games out. We are a bit weak mentality wise too, we couldn't more further away from City and Liverpool, and I mean miles away.

That season after we won the title at West Brom we never had the big transfer window that was needed, it was as if we were content, and you can just be content with that.

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1 minute ago, Special Juan said:

Loads of games you could look at and point to this and that, but the problem being is we went into the season with another shit transfer window and some very average players.

Alonso, Morata,Willian, Pedro and Luiz are really not that good when you compare what others have, to them. It looked good for a while but the best teams sustain and in tough games dig deep, not only dig deep but see games out. We are a bit weak mentality wise too, we couldn't more further away from City and Liverpool, and I mean miles away.

That season after we won the title at West Brom we never had the big transfer window that was needed, it was as if we were content, and you can just be content with that.

Its annoying that so many saw they'd be issues... Yet the board and Co plodded on.

Its like the last window with Jose people were told to calm down and joking oh we'll finish bottom half for not signing lol..lol. And we nearly did! 

Some of the signings have been bonkers pointless. 

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7 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I'll ask this again, who supposedly is the 'right man' for the job if so many people don't think it's Sarri?

 

Seems to me, by what you lot want, is a manager that does these things - 

- Plays and develops Youth

- Plays entertaining football

- Won Trophies

- Has a plan B

- Good in the transfer market 

- Isn't stubborn and adapts his style

 

So who is this manager then? 

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36 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Loads of games you could look at and point to this and that, but the problem being is we went into the season with another shit transfer window and some very average players.

Alonso, Morata,Willian, Pedro and Luiz are really not that good when you compare what others have, to them. It looked good for a while but the best teams sustain and in tough games dig deep, not only dig deep but see games out. We are a bit weak mentality wise too, we couldn't more further away from City and Liverpool, and I mean miles away.

That season after we won the title at West Brom we never had the big transfer window that was needed, it was as if we were content, and you can just be content with that.

I wouldn't agree that we were content that summer, we spent more than enough that summer to suggest it was or should have been a 'big' transfer window (including breaking our transfer record at the time), the problem was the quality of our recruitment. The only success from that summer was Rudiger, the rest have tanked.

Our recruitment in recent seasons has been overall very poor, with players who have left not being replaced adequately. 

I do agree however how far we're behind City and Liverpool at present. It won't take a quick fix and papering over cracks this time, the club as a whole including us fans need to be prepared that this may take time and patience to get us back to that level challenging again,

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We have to win all our remaining fixtures and hope Arsenal slip up. 

Failure to win the remaining matches, top 4 is gone. Forever.

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18 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I hope you are not serious^^. He is one of the most incompetent coaches I have seen my whole life

lolol, based off what? The last WC? LOLOLOL

ridiculous

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21 minutes ago, Mana said:

We have to win all our remaining fixtures and hope Arsenal slip up. 

Failure to win the remaining matches, top 4 is gone. Forever.

I just can't see it. Plus Arsenal have a sodding goal difference.  They crept up! One moment he was being compared to Wenger next boom there they are! 

This whole slip stupid scores with us has annoyed me so much. More so now when we're in the last few games 

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2 minutes ago, Mana said:


Forever as in for the rest of the season. Can’t believe I have to spell that out.

"Can't believe"..... Really?

You expect people to automatically know that when you use a word thats literal definition means 'for all future time',  just means the rest of the season? 

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I just can't see it. Plus Arsenal have a sodding goal difference.  They crept up! One moment he was being compared to Wenger next boom there they are! 
This whole slip stupid scores with us has annoyed me so much. More so now when we're in the last few games 

I can’t see it either, but that is the only way to get top 4 now. Arsenal’s win tonight means we have no room for error.

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4 hours ago, Jason said:

Better late than never I guess but given how things panned out, all I see is a manager who lacked the balls to change his stubborn ways with his starting XI when we all saw the problem and he only did so after the fans protested against him for the second time within a month. Things might have gotten slightly better but it looked like an act of desperation from a man who was trying to save himself from the sack! It's also worth questioning whether he knows his best starting XI when he keeps making some mind-boggling changes from time-to-time. And this starting XI issue is only one of many issues with Sarri...

Willian and Pedro have only 1 year left on their contracts. They can't be kept around forever. Even our board can't fail to realize that. If we avoid the transfer ban, we might well sell Willian given his contract situation (hello Barcelona...). 

It's a case of putting your faith in idiots in this one but if we sack Sarri, then gotta hope the board actually do their due diligence in the hiring process and not just hire the flavor of the month.

I don't trust Sarri to manage and improve our young players. Take for example with CHO. For months, Sarri said one thing about him but then did another thing. It took two protests, countless of sacking reports, and media pressure for him to actually start CHO a tad more regularly than before. What does that say about him? Plus, he has barely managed to improve any of our senior players. If he can't do that, then what makes you feel confident that he will do so with our youth players in the long run? This is a manager who prefers to stick with bang average players like Kovacic. He would stick with the likes of him over more talented players.

That positivity isn't gonna hide Sarri's deficiencies in the long run. Even if he has improved Loftus-Cheek and CHO, it doesn't mean he's the right manager long term wise. It's a similar case when we had Benitez in the past.

Nothing Sarri has done this season gives me confidence that he will do better next time if we let him stick around and you could probably make a strong argument that we have the worst manager among the top six. Probably the worst of all is I rarely enjoy watching us play anymore this season. Am used to us having shit seasons but Sarri has just completely sucked the life out of football with the things he's done, which is ironic after he said he wanted to bring 'fun' to our play!

He has not only improved Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Callum but probably used them a lot more than any of our past managers would (even if CHO hasnt played as much as wed have hoped but lets be realisitc start of the season he was undoubtedly 4th choice on the wings regardless considering pre season). And going from the circulating rumours regarding us considering using Reece James in the squad next, another I think after a while will prove to Sarri he can be depended on. Even including Emerson, who is by no means a great player or even a young player, using him and both RLC and CHO in a game against Liverpool is extremely encouraging. Rubens development under Sarri is never brought up but hes no doubt 10 times more effective as he ever was here beforehand and even at Palace. Hes added end product and goals to his game. That comes through maturing as a player through playing and coaching. Considering Edens goal and assist return is considerably the best be has had here as well you cant say he hasnt improved any other players or got them to try and maiximize their output. Hazard, Luiz for a while, Barkley for a while, Callum, Ruben, there has been improvements. In fits and bursts.

The whole play CHO situation and England playing him first before he made a PL start was just odd but I cant help but feel because we werent doing well, those guys uptop were not playing well that it again stemmed slightly from frustration. Could be argued throwing a young guy in a struggling team wouldnt help either. I did agree he could have played more but its almost as if some people were pinning saving our season on him at times lol.

Its not been plain sailing and I get why people are frustrated but theres more a foot than just Sarri being stubborn and playing this brand of football that when not played quick enough isnt effective but thats what going through this process was gonna be like at some point. A manager who wants to implement his own ideas, which were completely against the grain of what the last 4 managers before him, will obviously be stubborn to get things in his image.

You mentioned Benitez not being the right man in the long run yeard ago but Jose Mourinho was leaving Real and Rafa already confirmed he wouldnt be staying so yes in that regard it was the right move. Sarri isn't an exceptional manager by any means but its hardly like Mourinho is lined up to come back is it? Or A Klopp/Pep level coach who could come in and get an instance improvenent as well as managing to sign the likes of Ederson, Alisson, van Dijk, Laporte, Sane, Bernardo Silva, top quality level players because we need a few in areas. Or will we change and then wait and see how the likes of a Nuno (yes doing well at Wolves but shown at Valencia, Porto, two bigger clubs in their leagues where he achieved nothing), Eddie Howe, Javi Gracia, or the other managers to have a good season in the PL at a recently promoted team do when they will just be as out of their depth as the likes of what many on here probably percieve Sarri is. Realistically all the other top managers are in jobs. Sarri is basically the Quique Setién (although hes an older guy and Betis actually play some fantastic football) or whatever up and coming "in demand" manager of a few years ago. Before he got here everyone, particularly Italian journalists and pundits heavily highlighted his "issues", lack of rotation even in cup games, preference to use and burn out many out of only say 13 or 14 players in the same system over the course of a season and a lack of integration of young players (not that we did that anyway). Even the bloody Napoli president, be it through spite or a warning...

It baffles me how some people are reacting as if no other manager done any of this in the past either. Conte for instance flogging Alonso after signing Emerson in January and also not deviating from 343 in the same season after a brief experiment using 352. Jose flogging Matic and Azpi, using that same low block even against smaller teams. I think we needed to change and go for someone like Sarri with a more offensive idea of football. If Sarri is to be sacked a manager in a similar mould has to be appointed.

The whole sucking fun out of football thing with his style... lets be honest almost every season regardless of manager, the players... the style at this club is always brought up and could always be like some other clubs.... its a reoccuring theme here, get the idea some people will never be happy regardless. 

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