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Special Juan

The Conte Thread

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7 minutes ago, Sivori said:

I point to his work at both Juventus and the Azurri. At Juve as soon as he back, there was an immediate change in the mentality of the players. After having finished 7th twice in a row, fourth place was what most people in the club were aiming for. I remember he said something to the effect of "you have to honor the shirt, a club like Juventus should fight for the highest honors just as it was for me as a player", we won the scudetto and against a really good Milan side in his first year, made the Copa Italia finals as well. otherwise mediocre players such as Giacherinni, Estigaribia et al. performed at levels that they have not reached since. He also wasnt afraid to drop guys like Krasic, Elia who didn't fit the clear clear ideas he had. Same thing with the Azurri. Prior to the euros, this was a team that was dubbed one of the worst Italy sides of all time. Conte had them punching above their weight many times over after fostering a spirit of togetherness within the group. Could have the entire thing as well had they practiced Free kicks more

 

You have got a solid squad on paper with many players of undoubted quality who just massively underperformed last year. Im sure Conte will light a fire in these guys.

 

Maybe throw in Matic with Quadrado and Maritta may think about it :lol:. But in seriousness, I doubt Bonucci himself would leave even if wanted to (which we dont :lol:) the guy is a Bandiera, a standard bearer, here.

With Conte, I will watch and cheer for you guys this year, going to be a hell of a ride.

Yhanks for the  info and the thoughts.

What has he been like at  player roration/changing frmation and using youth players?

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Yhanks for the  info and the thoughts.

What has he been like at  player roration/changing frmation and using youth players?

These are just my opinions, which I have formed over the years.

During his last season at Juve one of the criticism's levelled against him was that he wasn't rotating players much. In the tail end of that year we were wanting to play the final of the europa league, which was being held at Juventus stadium. We had built a considerable lead in Serie A so we could afford to rest players for our Europa league games. Conte kept playing his strongest side every week however which lead to over fatigue and injuries e.g Vidal injuring his knee in the league and having to play with local anasthesia injections against Benfica in the semi-final. You guys will be playing the league without the distraction of europe, so you rotation should not be a problem.

Also, in terms of being a tactician Conte is not on Allegri's level as he tends to be a bit stubborn. He is a motivator of men first and foremost, in that regard Allegri doesn't hold a candle to Conte. Allegri has us playing 4-3-1-2 just as effectively as 3-5-2, and is able to have us play possesion and counter attacking football. Conte in his last year with us mostly stuck with a 3-5-2 even if it was innefective against some teams in Europe, a lot of fans wanted to ditch this formation and go back to a traditional back 4. Thats not to say Conte's not flexible. When he first arrived at Juve, he had mostly used an ultra offensive 4-2-4 at Bari and was expecting to carry that over to Juve, hence we signed Elia on the left to complement Krasic on the right. We ended up with 3-5-2 as we were blessed to have Bonucci (who during Conte's first year was extremely error prone a lot of supporters wanted him sold then! Quite the transformation over the years), Barzagli and Chiellini, that goes with Conte's philsophy of using a formation to fit players at his disposal and not the other way around.

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In terms of youth, he didn't really promote anyone of note into the senior team, Italy is infamous for developing players slower than other countries, where 21-22 year olds are still looked at as "youth", we complain a lot about our primavera if you read up on our forums.

I suppose he gave Pogba (who If I remember correctly was signed with the primavera in mind) his opportunity to play significant minutes in his first yesr. But thats likely down to the fact that Pogba is a once in a generation type player :lol:. I suppose with that it mind, you could say that with Conte "if you are good enough then you sre old enough."

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21 minutes ago, Sivori said:

 

In terms of youth, he didn't really promote anyone of note into the senior team, Italy is infamous for developing players slower than other countries, where 21-22 year olds are still looked at as "youth", we complain a lot about our primavera if you read up on our forums.

 

I suppose he gave Pogba (who If I remember correctly was signed with the primavera in mind) his opportunity to play significant minutes in his first yesr. But thats likely down to the fact that Pogba is a once in a generation type player :lol:. I suppose with that it mind, you could say that with Conte "if you are good enough then you sre old enough."

Sounds pretty much what we were thinking already. I think one of the main strengths of his is the one we need most which is motivation. The atmospgere got so heavy with the seig mentality and different things whether they were Mous fault,the pllayers giving up,no new blood,mo rotation,using players that needed to be put down. There was a bunch of reasons.

Conte to me is like a breath of fresh air. It sounds like he has the respect of the majority of his players with various saying they would goto war  for him whether these were world class players or not. They did give what they could for him

We need this. We have some lazy gits playing for us and I want him to work the lads till they bleed.

I just hope he gets this own team with him and is allowed by Roman to be his own man and stay out of the changing room.

We shall see. I'm optimistic.

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Conte: 'We know what this team needs. Me and the club are on the same line. We know what to do to improve this team.' #CFC

'We prefer to wait and take the right player, rather than take a player with emotion.' #CFC

:clap:

 

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5 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

Conte: 'We know what this team needs. Me and the club are on the same line. We know what to do to improve this team.' #CFC

'We prefer to wait and take the right player, rather than take a player with emotion.' #CFC

:clap:

 

 

Good to hear, just wished they didn't rush some of the loans out already :P

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1 minute ago, ZanSnake said:

Good to hear, just wished they didn't rush some of the loans out already :P

And, they don't have to wait with Iva,Mikel and Oscar. :P

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Conte: "I think that Kante can give a lot to Chelsea. To enforce a zone very important for us. We want to play with 2 central midfielders."

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20 minutes ago, Chelsea4 said:

THIS! We are in good hands.

Conte:“I really appreciated the effort of all the players. We have to work on a tactical level and find the right solutions for this team.

“We certainly need to work and shake out some skeletons from last season, that is without doubt. In some situations, especially at the start, the team was very deep and too defensive. That’s not what Chelsea are about.

“We need to change the mentality in that sense, but I have at my disposal a group of lads who are ready to work.”

 

I noticed that too. The first ten minutes Chelsea was letting Vienna dictate the pace and hold possession. There was no pressure on them at all, they could do as they pleased. Then after Costa thew his little tantrum to the official  we began pressing and forcing turnovers and holding possession of our own.

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For more proactive football, we seriously need a whole new back 4. Not sure if even Azpilicueta is good enough for that. Or if Zouma's ball playing capabilities are too limited for that. But at least, that means a new LCB and a new LB. At least.

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4 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

 

Conte: "I think that Kante can give a lot to Chelsea. To enforce a zone very important for us. We want to play with 2 central midfielders."

I really, really hope he means 2CMs in a 4-2-4 and not a 4-2-3-1. And I hope with "We" he means himself and his assistants, and not himself, his assistants, and whoever was already at the club.


We seriously need new defenders if we don't want to be so deep and defensive all the time, or we'll see this "pre-season" for the whole the season.

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1 hour ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

I really, really hope he means 2CMs in a 4-2-4 and not a 4-2-3-1. And I hope with "We" he means himself and his assistants, and not himself, his assistants, and whoever was already at the club.


We seriously need new defenders if we don't want to be so deep and defensive all the time, or we'll see this "pre-season" for the whole the season.

i think Bonucci would be a great signing, just what we need in defense, and Zouma will be like a new signing once he returns from injury, let´s hope.

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7 hours ago, Johnnyeye said:

i think Bonucci would be a great signing, just what we need in defense, and Zouma will be like a new signing once he returns from injury, let´s hope.

Bonucci is not coming, sadly. Never was going to happen. One of Koulibaly or Mustafi and Rodriguez for the LB would do.

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15 hours ago, xPetrCechx said:

I'm a Juventus supporter and guys, let's calm down. Conte never won a single pre-season match. Never. He uses them to try out new things. Believe me, he will do good

A Random Juve Fan.

I don´t read too much in to pre season, the main thing is to try tactics, and to get the players mentally and physically ready for the start of the season.

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1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

I saw this too from a Juve fan on another forum:

Skeleton or not, you won’t enjoy watching Conte’s team in pre-season. He will run them ragged with double seasons daily to improve their fitness.. He lost his very first pre-season with Juve too, and won a couple with uninspiring 1-0s. Be prepared for a shock. You will see a completely different Chelsea against West ham on the first day of the season in comparison to what you’ll see during the pre-season. I still remember the first game of the season against Parma, 90 minutes of tireless non stop attack.

Juve's pre-season results in Conte's first season hardly looks as bad as that Juve fan suggested.

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His last season at Juve though...

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I never expected any results from pre season to be honest.

With lads not back from Euros, new signings not in yet, Conte only at his new job 2 days before st one. theres been no training as such yet. No work at all with formations or experimenting

This mess isn't going to be sorted over night no matter who we sign or which manager is in charge

BUT IF Conte is given the time and support from Roman and US (plus sorts out our fuckin defence) then I think we have got,are getting and will get the manager and players to be good for years to come.

 

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