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Special Juan

The Conte Thread

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5 hours ago, Pizy said:

Think if Willian goes to United it'll be a lot like Mata. Painful at times to watch a player I've loved but not consistent enough to make us truly regret selling him.

I would love a Willian for Martial swap. Even in Martial's brief cameo yesterday you see exactly what he brings. With consistent game time and a manager who isn't an asshole like José he can become a world class winger/hybrid forward. Willian can still provide moments or small stretches where he's top class but he rarely sustains it.

Honestly I didn't think Martial did anything of great note that would encourage us to swap Willian for him other than show his pace. He can become this or that is too common a factor, hes struggled to really hit the nail on the head at United and to progress, even under van Gaal after his explosive start he has never really progressed and I don't think that any United fans would necessarily disagree although in front of goal he is a natural goal scorer I think, always manages to chip in with 7-10 goals a season, that would be a plus but for me if Eden stays where does he play? Right wing? Hes a wide forward, that would be a waste. As a 9? Not sure. I think the next wide player we sign needs to be more a creative player than a goal scorer, Eden is in the same make up but he cannot create every goal for us by himself, he needs help (although I still think Eden's goal output can improve and hopefully next season he will chip in with more although hes done alright this season considering how average the team has done).

Suppose it all depends on the coach, formation, etc but if we do actually move for him or not but I don't think if he was to just be signed for a cash deal that he would necessarily play every week here, especially if Eden stays, because I can't see him excelling as a right winger as opposed to what he could do as a left winger. I don't see the next coach playing Eden as a number 10 either which I think has been mentioned. I think hes better coming from wider and roaming into more central positions, centre of the pitch gets pretty congested. 

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3 hours ago, Amblève. said:

Willian doesn't even touch Mata's status at Chelsea. Mata was the shining hope in one of the craziest season in our history, a two-time POTY, and - of course - part of that magical night in Munich. Willian's greatest achievement at Chelsea on the hand is being the least bad player in our worst season in 2 decades.

Wasn't comparing their status or ability but rather just how I feel about them as players. Willian has been one of my favorites here just as Mata was at the time. Like Mata, I would be sad at first to see Willian playing for a rival but would get over it eventually since he's not good enough to elevate them to a whole new level.

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4 hours ago, Amblève. said:

Willian doesn't even touch Mata's status at Chelsea. Mata was the shining hope in one of the craziest season in our history, a two-time POTY, and - of course - part of that magical night in Munich. Willian's greatest achievement at Chelsea on the hand is being the least bad player in our worst season in 2 decades.

Indeed, but Willian is a 2 time PL winner (something Mata never achieved) and FA Cup winner, those are great achievements.

Its pretty funny that people get salty because he just doesn't get along with a manager that is already sacked.

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9 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Indeed, but Willian is a 2 time PL winner (something Mata never achieved) and FA Cup winner, those are great achievements.

Its pretty funny that people get salty because he just doesn't get along with a manager that is already sacked.

I don't think people expect him to automatically get on with a manager. If he doesn't then fair enough, numerous high profile examples of this over the years.

People aren't happy with the way he's showed his dislike. It's classless and distasteful in my opinion.

Either keep your thoughts private or be respectful and mature in the way you do it. He could easily give an interview once Conte has gone to say that unfortunately he didn't see eye to eye with him and looks forward to a new manger coming in. Instead he acts like a petulant, sulking child.

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46 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I don't think people expect him to automatically get on with a manager. If he doesn't then fair enough, numerous high profile examples of this over the years.

People aren't happy with the way he's showed his dislike. It's classless and distasteful in my opinion.

Either keep your thoughts private or be respectful and mature in the way you do it. He could easily give an interview once Conte has gone to say that unfortunately he didn't see eye to eye with him and looks forward to a new manger coming in. Instead he acts like a petulant, sulking child.

Why make such a big deal about a instagram post?  Nowadays people complain about the way political correctness is taking over of football, but create a whole situation after a player put a trophy emoji over the manager on a instagram picture.

People being salty in this situation has nothing to do with "classless" or "distasteful".  Both Conte and Mourinho came with comments in past years that can be easily described as "classless" or "distasteful", but their fans alway used to LOVE their attitude, describing them from "badass" to "a man with genuine emotions".

In my opinion what is happening is exactly what I said, people got mad because William showed no respect for Conte, but why should William show respect or a man who is probably gone? Its like saying any player should show respect for Mourinho for the things the did in the past. His instagram post came after the end of the game, when the season was also finished. Willian probably knows that Conte is also finished as Chelsea manager, so the thought he could share what he really think about the Italian.

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On 21/05/2018 at 0:01 AM, Henrique said:

why should William show respect or a man who is probably gone?

Does thos mean we start slagging off all our ex managers and players? We need to have some sort of loyalty even if for some reason we personally dont like someone. These peeps rightly or wrongly have made us who we are. You gotta have a good enough memory to remember the season we had last year. Sadly thats our current cycle. One good then one bad season. Quadruple for us next year mate whoever the manager is!  7ae0656ddabaaae4884bfd86b6467571.gif

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5 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

I am sure that is recycled news he has already reported.  Just moved a few words around and added the Morata bit in

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When I see this pathetic Liverpool with their pathetic players, I appreciate Conte even more.

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1 hour ago, El P. said:

When I see this pathetic Liverpool with their pathetic players, I appreciate Conte even more.

How?

Are you comparing Conte with what Klopp did? Taking Liverpool and their 'pathetic players' to a Champions league final? Where they lose their best player in 30 mins? The end result sucked for them in the end, but all 3 of the Madrid goals came out of nowhere. 2 being down to the goalkeeper. 

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Just now, Blue Armour said:

How?

Are you comparing Conte with what Klopp did? Taking Liverpool and their 'pathetic players' to a Champions league final? Where they lose their best player in 30 mins? The end result sucked for them in the end, but all 3 of the Madrid goals came out of nowhere. 2 being down to the goalkeeper. 

Yes I am. Klopp's team is depending on only one player, without Salah they are average. You are telling me that you would trade our last two seasons with Conte for LFC's last 2 seasons with Klopp (and no trophies)? LFC is overrated.

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4 hours ago, Antonio8 said:

two trophies in two years. these are facts 

Shit on a stick football this season and no CL next season. These are facts aswell. 

 

His first season was great, his second was very very poor an FA cup doesn't change that. 

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44 minutes ago, DDA said:

Conte does deserve tremendous respect for what he has achieved with our bang average squad.

People don't remember This was one of the most liked messages in September 2016.

"Just needs to get that top 4 finish. But I'll keep saying it, it's not going to be easy. City, Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool... "

A lot of people thought that way actually, most people agreed we would struggle for top 4 with our squad but after we won the league, expectations rose and the disappointment/anger is huge now.

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10 minutes ago, DDA said:

Absolutely but we could play pretty football and win nothing. You don't remember the seasons when you win nothing. Yes, we didn't get CL and ultimately that isn't good enough for a club like ours but Conte does deserve tremendous respect for what he has achieved with our bang average squad.

Don't think you'll find anyone that won't give massive credit to Conte for winning the title last season but this season hasn't been good at all an fA cup doesn't chance that. Just feels like people are trying to paper over the cracks when they point to the fa cup this season. 

Feel like the back three sytem got found out this season and Conte simply didn't have an answer for it. 

 

This last couple of years, whenever we've won trophies, it always felt like we took 1 step forward 2 steps back.  Like we were slipping further away from the top even when we won trophies.

I honestly wouldn't mind Sarri coming in for 2-3 years not winning anything but laying down a strong foundation to play a more attacking type of football. 

I'm just looking for us to take a step forward into the direction of becoming a high energy pressing, attacking possession team. 

If Sarri manages that i'll be happy. 

 

That game against City this season where we needed to win and Conte having us play with Hazard as a false 9,  with 2 fit strikers on the bench. 1-0 down yet he kept us sitting deep with no real attempt to actually attack them. 

It just made me sick to my stomach because with a set up like that we simply gave up before the kick off.

One of Conte's famous quotes "We must suffer" Well, i did suffer watching us this season. 

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