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Special Juan

The Conte Thread

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15 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

That was some shockingly defensive stuff even by his standards. Lets be honest any half decent coach could have done what he's done today. It doesn't take anything special to nick a goal and defend for 75 mins. Time to go. 

Today was understandable but your right we need a new direction. Good way to leave on a high now we can remember his good times rather than the last few months.

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28 minutes ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

Will stay IMO.  Winning today i reckon will buy him some time

I THINK it may depend on whether Sarri accepts his extension. Or Roman wants to pay his Joe Baksi!

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1 hour ago, ChelseaFanUK said:

Will stay IMO.  Winning today i reckon will buy him some time

Definitely. Roman won't sack him today and break the mood...will probably wait until midweek. So Conte got some more days. Thats some time.

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Almost universal thinking amongst the journo's that he's off. Think in the end it's comments from our players like Hazard today that will do him in. I'm sure quite a few of them are sick of setting up defensively and playing like a small team.

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4 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Almost universal thinking amongst the journo's that he's off. Think in the end it's comments from our players like Hazard today that will do him in. I'm sure quite a few of them are sick of setting up defensively and playing like a small team.

definitely got the feeling Cahill isn't fussed on him

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Even though we won the FA Cup, this is the first time ever that I was in joy for only 5 minutes then it all fuzzed away.

This is the first time I'm not really partying after winning a trophy. The FA Cup doesn't cover the shambles of a season we had. I expected us to lose, but the team proved me wrong. Glad Conte broke the no cup voodoo and destroyed Mourinho's record of winning every final in England...but that's it.

I'm feeling what most Arsenal fans felt last season. Nice trophy, but it doesn't paper over the cracks that this season was absolutely ghastly. We still lost to Spuds at the Bridge, no CL for the 2nd time in 3, lost pathetically to Crystal Palace, Watford, Bournemouth and Newcastle, Messi scoring for the first time against Chelsea in his career, played zero football at the Etihad, five losses in seven matches, still uncertain on who's staying with us next season...

This transfer window is probably the most critical window for us in the last 10 years.

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47 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Almost universal thinking amongst the journo's that he's off. Think in the end it's comments from our players like Hazard today that will do him in. I'm sure quite a few of them are sick of setting up defensively and playing like a small team.

The stupid thing in all of this is the journalists framing Conte's inevitable departure as another case of Roman sacking the manager because he didn't meet expectations, when Conte has spent pretty much the entire season begging to be sacked. Roman being a trigger happy owner when it comes to sacking managers is one of the stupidest myths ever.

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17 minutes ago, Jason said:

The stupid thing in all of this is the journalists framing Conte's inevitable departure as another case of Roman sacking the manager because he didn't meet expectations, when Conte has spent pretty much the entire season begging to be sacked. Roman being a trigger happy owner when it comes to sacking managers is one of the stupidest myths ever.

Mourinho in his last spell and Conte have been shown acceptable patience 

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1 hour ago, Mana said:

Even though we won the FA Cup, this is the first time ever that I was in joy for only 5 minutes then it all fuzzed away

Why did your mum call you for your dinner?.

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1 hour ago, Mana said:

This transfer window is probably the most critical window for us in the last 10 years.

Its going to be a very hard job for us.

1. We dont have a director of football so nobody hearing the transfer team apart from a woman clueless in football and a owner thats in court more often than not and will not have the time etc to talk with whatever manager we have.

2. Will we have a big enough budget for the amount and or the class of player we need.

3. Even if we have the money we wont be able to atract those players

3 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Why did your mum call you for your dinner?.

Really bad Charlie

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Just now, Unionjack said:

Its going to be a very hard job for us.

1. We dont have a director of football so nobody hearing the transfer team apart from a woman clueless in football and a owner thats in court more often than not and will not have the time etc to talk with whatever manager we have.

2. Will we have a big enough budget for the amount and or the class of player we need.

3. Even if we have the money we wont be able to atract those players

Yeah, along with our top players not signing new deals. 

Winning the FA Cup is nice, but winning it doesn't make any difference to let's say if we had lost the final. Except maybe delaying Conte's sacking for a few days.

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1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Completely have to disagree, it's all about winning trophies and adding to the overall success of the club in my opinion. 

Maybe as a club we've been spoilt, but it says a lot about the club in my opinion that even in a bad season we've still won a trophy. Bearing in mind that providing Liverpool don't win the Champions League the only other team to win trophies this season were City. I understand the need to finish in the Champions League places but I would always take trophies over it for the enjoyment they bring. Spurs for all their plaudits haven't won one yet, and nor have Liverpool. 

CL places > FA Cup. Come on now. We are not a tiny club. Granted any club would take a trophy rather than winning nothing, but we are not Spuds who are desperate to win something after being trophyless for over 10 years. I rather have a trophyless season but have CL, then to just win the FA Cup. Because as I said, the FA Cup apart from adding +1 to our trophy cabinet adds nothing to what's going to happen this summer. Conte's neck is still on the line, Hazard's still deciding whether to leave or not, EL next season...

FA Cup is nice to have, but we are bigger than just winning the FA Cup. It's equivalent to Barca, Madrid or Bayern failing to get CL, failing to win the title...but winning a Spanish/German Cup. Not good enough at all.

United ended up trophyless this season, but next season they can banter us all season saying something like "Only the big clubs are in the CL". 

It's nice we won the FA Cup, but it certainly does not in any way, paper over the cracks of a shambles of a season.

1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

With regards to the game and tactics, I have been far from impressed with how we've played and been set up to play in a lot of games this season but definitely won't be blaming Conte today. Final's are notoriously cagey and rarely live up to the hype. People only ever remember the winner in a final and that's all that matters in them. No one remembers how bad we played against United in 2007 when we defended the whole game and extra time and nicked a goal at the death. 

 

Yeah but our performance today does not help Conte's case of staying as our manager. I don't care if people will forget how this final played out 10 years from now, I'm talking about now, the present. We didn't play well today, we looked so average all over the park except the Belgians, Kante and Rudiger.

It was a good thing we played boring Mou United today. If it was any other top 6 side, we would had lost.

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1 minute ago, Mana said:

CL places > FA Cup. Come on now. We are not a tiny club. Granted any club would take a trophy rather than winning nothing, but we are not Spuds who are desperate to win something after being trophyless for over 10 years. I rather have a trophyless season but have CL, then to just win the FA Cup. Because as I said, the FA Cup apart from adding +1 to our trophy cabinet adds nothing to what's going to happen this summer. Conte's neck is still on the line, Hazard's still deciding whether to leave or not, EL next season...

FA Cup is nice to have, but we are bigger than just winning the FA Cup. It's equivalent to Barca, Madrid or Bayern failing to get CL, failing to win the title...but winning a Spanish/German Cup. Not good enough at all.

United ended up trophyless this season, but next season they can banter us all season saying something like "Only the big clubs are in the CL". 

It's nice we won the FA Cup, but it certainly does not in any way, paper over the cracks of a shambles of a season.

Yeah but our performance today does not help Conte's case of staying as our manager. I don't care if people will forget how this final played out 10 years from now, I'm talking about now, the present. We didn't play well today, we looked so average all over the park except the Belgians, Kante and Rudiger.

It was a good thing we played boring Mou United today. If it was any other top 6 side, we would had lost.

I can understand your argument but firstly the premier league is much more unique than the other top leagues in Europe in that we have 6 big clubs competing for 4 champions league places so 2 teams are going to miss out each season. And again domestically, there are only three trophies a season handed out so they should all be seen as worthwhile achievements. I understand the financial considerations, etc of being in the Champions League but we should be big enough now to attract very good players to the club without this carrot. 

I would love to see a manager come in and bring a more bolder attacking approach so long as we're still successful. The fact is projects can be seen as a success but don't bring anything tangible at the end of them. Spurs and Liverpool are still waiting for trophies under their respective managers, whilst in that same time frame we've won 2 leagues, an FA Cup and a league cup. The fact is you have to take trophies when they are available and saviour them because you don't know when the next one will arrive.

The other thing that gets lost amongst this is that consistently winning trophies, no matter how insignificant some fans may deem them, breeds a winning mentality and culture throughout the club. A lot of players have come in since last season so it was important for them to start winning as soon as possible. It keeps the hunger of doing it again and develops the experience of playing and winning finals under pressure. Other teams don't have that.

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

The stupid thing in all of this is the journalists framing Conte's inevitable departure as another case of Roman sacking the manager because he didn't meet expectations, when Conte has spent pretty much the entire season begging to be sacked. Roman being a trigger happy owner when it comes to sacking managers is one of the stupidest myths ever.

imo Conte staying the whole season already is huge change in Roman's approach towards managers. Few years ago he would be gone before the end of last year. 

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1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I can understand your argument but firstly the premier league is much more unique than the other top leagues in Europe in that we have 6 big clubs competing for 4 champions league places so 2 teams are going to miss out each season.

Understood, but first of all we should be above Spuds. But we are not, why? Because we were a shambles this season. If we fought all the way through this season but still managed 5th, it's a different story

1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

And again domestically, there are only three trophies a season handed out so they should all be seen as worthwhile achievements. I understand the financial considerations, etc of being in the Champions League but we should be big enough now to attract very good players to the club without this carrot. 

I never said winning the FA Cup is not an achievement. It's just shouldn't be the only achievement. In all honesty, what's the difference between winning the LC and the FAC? Oh, the FAC gives you an invitation to play City for the Charity Shield. 

Also let's not forget this is the 2nd time out of 3 that we are out of the CL. We are beginning to not be constantly be in the CL. I think we still need that carrot, especially that Hazard still hasn't signed that contract.

1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I would love to see a manager come in and bring a more bolder attacking approach so long as we're still successful. The fact is projects can be seen as a success but don't bring anything tangible at the end of them. Spurs and Liverpool are still waiting for trophies under their respective managers, whilst in that same time frame we've won 2 leagues, an FA Cup and a league cup. The fact is you have to take trophies when they are available and saviour them because you don't know when the next one will arrive.

Let's hope Pool don't win the CL because then the wait would have paid off big time.

Again, I'm not saying we shouldn't go after trophies. That's stupid. But Chelsea should be up there with the Elite. How could we when we are inconsistent on getting in to the CL? I get that we don't know when our next trophy will arrive. And if today was a one-off, fine. But it's slowly becoming a pattern now, and going back to the "we are big enough to attract good players" without CL...let's remind ourselves that Llorente snubbed us for Spuds last summer, and we struggled to find players to come to us. And that was WITH CL football. Imagine now without CL football.

1 minute ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The other thing that gets lost amongst this is that consistently winning trophies, no matter how insignificant some fans may deem them, breeds a winning mentality and culture throughout the club. A lot of players have come in since last season so it was important for them to start winning as soon as possible. It keeps the hunger of doing it again and develops the experience of playing and winning finals under pressure. Other teams don't have that.

What do you mean other teams don't have that? Arsenal were in finals 4 seasons in a row. United 3. Liverpool 2. The only team you can apply here is Spuds.

Besides you say winning trophies breeds winning mentality. Maybe for other clubs, not Chelsea though. 1st to 10th, and 1st to 6th. Morata played for only 5 minutes though so for him, today shouldn't really count.

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