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Special Juan

The Conte Thread

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1 hour ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

(1) Hazard off after 60 mins. Rightly or wrongly, even Mourinho knew to never sub him off.

Can you blame him for taking off someone who was playing poorly, even if that someone is our best player? Let's not pretend as if Mourinho didn't make some mind boggling decisions with Hazard. He, once, benched Hazard against Aston Villa (ASTON FREAKING VILLA!!!) at HOME because he wanted balance in the team.

1 hour ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

(2) No more 3-4-3 despite this system bringing us so much sucess last season. Conte seems more concerned in shoehorning Bakayoko into the team!

3-4-3 and 3-5-2 produce its own dilemmas really. Play 3-4-3 and we risk getting overrun in midfield and who is best to partner Kante? Neither Drinkwater nor Bakayoko offers anything of note and dare I say Fabregas even offers nothing these days, not even offensively anymore. Play 3-5-2 and we're able to at least try and control the midfield and put Hazard in probably his best position to do damage. But we become far too predictable if the entire XI isn't on it, especially if the midfield doesn't take control and Alonso/Moses do zilch out wide.

1 hour ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

What is Conte afraid of? Play 7 defensive minded players at home to Leicester and complain about attacking play lol.. What attacking play can you produce with Rudiger, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Moses, Alonso, Kante and Bakayoko? Teams who play attacking football and open up the opposition with their movement and fluidity don't play 7 defensive minded players. Sorry.

I see where you're coming from but I don't know why people keep on saying 7 defensive players. Can we really term Alonso and Moses as defensive players when they are key part of our attacks as well? They aren't just in the XI to defend but also provide key offensive contribution.

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1 hour ago, xPetrCechx said:

I can't forget the round of "victory" made by Avram Grant at Stamford Bridge after finishing the last game of the season in which he "trained" Chelsea (07/08). He of course led the team to ... nothing, but the fans, many of whom are sheeps with little understanding of football, applauded him and called his name. In contrast, Roman Abramovich had already understood that this was a fraud, that he had been stung by an opportunist, and therefore informed Grant of his dismissal immediately after the season.
Since Avram left, there have been all kinds of impostors like Scolari, AVB, Benitez, but we got rid of them before they managed to destroy every good part.

This time, however, I am concerned. Because Chelsea's "coach" today - the one that comes up against small teams with two attacking players and when its doens't work, he replaces them instead of strengthening them - is the perfect deceiver. . A person who claims to be a coach, even though he has zero connection to this profession. In contrast to Grant - a fat Israeli, without a game career behind him and achievements in the coaching world - Conte is Italian. His hair transplant succeeded beyond expectations, he celebrates the goal that Chelsea scores once a month together with the fans in a kind of happy party, he was a good player, and apparently also achieved some things in Italy as a coach, although he had no serious competitor in the league - just like a year ago in England. He's even nice and smiling at the press conferences. You can't not to love him.

Actually you can, if you simply ignores the distractions and examines him by results, the team's ability on the field and players he bought. If he had been judged only by those criterions,. every could see how bad he is. chelsea is scoring like a weak mid-table team. If the fans had judged the product in front of them, they would have seen that the players have no desire, the players that Conte bought-the dreadful Bakayoko, instead of Matic and even more dreadful Morata instead of Costa- are a shocking incomes...  

The journalists pointed out that only an injury causes conte to make a substitution before the 65th minute (regardless of the game situation) and that almost all the players are not fit and the person who is responsible for their fitness comes out clean again and again. And above all, Roman Abramovich would have realized that for 10 million pounds per year (conte's Salary),  and 70 million pounds for Morata, he deserve far more than he gets.
The question is whether he will wake up in time, understand that he is being tricked, and send home the impostor  - or he will understand it only when Chelsea will finish out off the Top 4 and will not play in the Champions League next season.

Wow man, you talk so much crap. The fact you had to bring up his hair transplant to make some kind of point (what was the point anyway?) renders your post crap.

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24 minutes ago, Jason said:

Can you blame him for taking off someone who was playing poorly, even if that someone is our best player? Let's not pretend as if Mourinho didn't make some mind boggling decisions with Hazard. He, once, benched Hazard against Aston Villa (ASTON FREAKING VILLA!!!) at HOME because he wanted balance in the team.

3-4-3 and 3-5-2 produce its own dilemmas really. Play 3-4-3 and we risk getting overrun in midfield and who is best to partner Kante? Neither Drinkwater nor Bakayoko offers anything of note and dare I say Fabregas even offers nothing these days, not even offensively anymore. Play 3-5-2 and we're able to at least try and control the midfield and put Hazard in probably his best position to do damage. But we become far too predictable if the entire XI isn't on it, especially if the midfield doesn't take control and Alonso/Moses do zilch out wide.

I see where you're coming from but I don't know why people keep on saying 7 defensive players. Can we really term Alonso and Moses as defensive players when they are key part of our attacks as well? They aren't just in the XI to defend but also provide key offensive contribution.

Hazard and Fabregas were playing poor but they really are our only 2 creative sources in the squad. Considering it was 0-0 i thought it was silly to sub both of them out. They're both capable of creating chances out of nothing. Atleast 1 if not both should have stayed on in my opinion.

Anything less then a win against Leicester at home was unacceptable.  

 

Alonso and Moses don't really offer much going forward. Besides that there's also the fact that most opponents pin our wingbacks back. So by the time they get up the pitch it's already too late.

And our midfielders either dont have the quality to be efficient in the final third (Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Kante) or lack the legs to make the proper runs (Fabregas). 

In order for the 3-5-2 to work it really needs more versatile midfielders and better wingbacks going forward.

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he needs to be more proactive with bringing in new players too, (I know barkley has been injured, but still) , Valencia have put coquelin straight into their starting XI tonight, and they signed him 2 days ago. He spent an age introducing Morata, drinkwater, - takes too long bringing people back from injury too imo - could have played luiz today if fatigue was such a big issue - at cb or cdm

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

Can you blame him for taking off someone who was playing poorly, even if that someone is our best player? Let's not pretend as if Mourinho didn't make some mind boggling decisions with Hazard. He, once, benched Hazard against Aston Villa (ASTON FREAKING VILLA!!!) at HOME because he wanted balance in the team.

3-4-3 and 3-5-2 produce its own dilemmas really. Play 3-4-3 and we risk getting overrun in midfield and who is best to partner Kante? Neither Drinkwater nor Bakayoko offers anything of note and dare I say Fabregas even offers nothing these days, not even offensively anymore. Play 3-5-2 and we're able to at least try and control the midfield and put Hazard in probably his best position to do damage. But we become far too predictable if the entire XI isn't on it, especially if the midfield doesn't take control and Alonso/Moses do zilch out wide.

I see where you're coming from but I don't know why people keep on saying 7 defensive players. Can we really term Alonso and Moses as defensive players when they are key part of our attacks as well? They aren't just in the XI to defend but also provide key offensive contribution.

Drinkwater and Kante has already proven to be a title winning duo now we have the added advantage of a back three while at Leicester it was a flat back 4. Overrun in midfield by who? A team like Leicester? It's not like we aren't getting dominated in the big games against a team like City for example regardless of the formation. Miss me with that talk. 

And Alonso and Moses are LWB - therefore are defensive players first and foremost. Sure part of their secondary duties is too overlap and play with some width bu When we don't have the ball they revert to position and we form a flat back 5. Don't think about football as when we only have the ball.

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with though.

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19 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Drinkwater and Kante has already proven to be a title winning duo now we have the added advantage of a back three while at Leicester it was a flat back 4.

It may have worked for a lesser side like Leicester but it doesn't mean it will for us. And even if it does, is it really good enough at the highest level?

21 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

It's not like we aren't getting dominated in the big games against a team like City for example regardless of the formation. Miss me with that talk. 

True but haven't you always complained about getting dominated in midfield like after every big game?

22 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

And Alonso and Moses are LWB - therefore are defensive players first and foremost. Sure part of their secondary duties is too overlap and play with some width bu When we don't have the ball they revert to position and we form a flat back 5. Don't think about football as when we only have the ball.

Did I? When we defend, they obviously drop back to form a back 5 but when we attack, they don't just stay at home, do they? They get forward, forming a front 4 or 5 (in 3-4-3 or 3-5-2). Their role is rather a mix of the two rather than just defensive or offensive.

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The club did invest. They have spent almost 150M on Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Morata. Doesnt really seem like a good investment now, does it?

But that aside, Conte doesnt look like he wants to be here at all. His body language has changed completely from last season. There is no enthusiasm or passion whatsoever.

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I think the thing people are forgetting is we are rebuilding the squad. All of the old guard have gone, so we have had to bring in new players and integrate them now. We will likely go through a rough patch on occasions because of this. The players in the squad have been together for one and a half seasons, even less for some. Morata has come from Spain where they have winter break, and he's in a new team, in a new country, being the leading man under a new coach with a different philosophy. The problem is with many of the new age fans is they are impatient and expect instant success or success every season. It isn't going to happen. Most other squads in the league have been together for a few seasons or still have some of their old guard left, but our squad is still relatively new. Christensen, Morata, Alonso, Moses (only been starter since last season), Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Zappa, Rudiger, Batshuayi, Kante, all players who have been at the club a very short period..

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I dont blame Conte at all, but for fuck sake ditch the 3:5:2. 

The main advantage of 3:5:2 is in midfield but we dont have midfielders half good enough to take that advantage. 

Either go back to 3:4:3 or switch to 4 at the back. 

Idealy we should buy new RW but its not happening. 

I wish the board would go all out for Mahrez AND Alexis for 100m combined and play 4:2:3:1 with

Mahrez-Eden-Alexis

---------Morata-----------

But its never going to happen

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8 hours ago, Special Juan said:

I think it was a copy and paste job from Petr.

Hehe im not so anti Conte (still), but i have to agree with some points like the late and useless subs, too many defensive players etc...

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Team needs a win soon. Morata needs a goal

Bit of negative spiral since the Arsenal game

And that shitty feud with Mou.

Thankfully Norwich at home, and Brighton are next on the agenda.

Despite the results, the agenda hasn't changed much for this season. Cup competitions and fight for 2nd/3rd at minimum.

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14 hours ago, xPetrCechx said:

I can't forget the round of "victory" made by Avram Grant at Stamford Bridge after finishing the last game of the season in which he "trained" Chelsea (07/08). He of course led the team to ... nothing, but the fans, many of whom are sheeps with little understanding of football, applauded him and called his name. In contrast, Roman Abramovich had already understood that this was a fraud, that he had been stung by an opportunist, and therefore informed Grant of his dismissal immediately after the season.
Since Avram left, there have been all kinds of impostors like Scolari, AVB, Benitez, but we got rid of them before they managed to destroy every good part.

 

Whoever wrote this seem to forget Rafa and Grant were temporary managers nothing more. It's highly unlikely they were going to stay past the end of the season

As for Grant...dont think the fans went that mad.. Plus at that point we were in with a chance of winning the champions league... Still had the final coming up for the first time.. Led the team to nothing but was one kick away from leading to something 

The rest agree about subs they are so frustrating late and all and that but everything else... 

 

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You gys don' realise how good of a coach Conte is. Lets look at the team; 

            Azpi        Christensen    Cahill

Moses  Fabregas  Kante   Baka   Alonso

                             Hazard 

                             Mortars

 

Defence; last year he had a shit defence, just look back to that 10th place position before. This year he has dropped Luis for Christensen. Good move. Also, Rudiger is much more mobile, aggressive and btter on the ball than Cahill. 

Midfield: the worst midfield in the top 6 by a country mile. FUCK ME. This is pretty much the reason Conte's hands are tied. Moses is a fucking Terrible wingback. Can't even take a player on anymore. Or dribble. So what the hell does he bring? He can't defend he just stands in line with the defenders. Even when the opposition mirror our formation  he STILL has to be told, a year on, to press the fucking wingback. Zappscosta isn't much better (But just to hammer home how shit Moses was, how much better was our attack at the Emirates when Davide came on). Fabregas has got EVEN SLOWER. Unfortunately, he just isn't capable in a midfield 2 anymore in the PL. Still our best passer by a country mile. Kante 👊💪👍. That is all. Bakayoko is not good enough for the PL. No more needs to be said. His total contribution to our team accumulates to us having a handicap of 10 players. Oh, did I mention our mdfield was already in trouble anyway? Alonso: slow, defensively weak but pretty decent going forward. Can't cross though. 

Hazard: no words needed, we know him

Morata: huge step down from Costa. A number of games where he whines and moans. Can' shoot for shit. Doesn't matter whether it's outside the box or 1 on 1. Good header of the ball though. 

So what exactly is Conte to do?! Play a midfield 2? Who partners Kante? Fabregas can't do it and if Baka is on the pitch it' basically Kante by himself. We were out muscled last year when he had Matic! Drinkwater seems the only option. But Leiceser only won the title by sitting back! 

He hs shit options. Play a midfield 3 and be more solid or play 2 and get overrun. 

For My money, the 3 at the back has had it's day. Moses and Alonso aren't good enough and we don't have Ivanovic/Terry/Luiz. The big problem is the transition. That is HUGE and takes time. 

Azpi      Rudiger      Christensen   Alonso

                   Drinkwater       Kante

     Barkley                                  willian 

                               Hazard

                               Morata

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Conte: "chelsea players are tired...."
Really?!
So last season we won the league only because we played once a week?
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42677626?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_sport&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sport
 

Because we played once a week, and because we had no competition, yes.

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11 hours ago, Miki-Liki said:

Seems like we've been rebuilding the squad since 2012, every year it's the same excuse. We're not rebuilding anything, we're shite.

Stop overreacting ffs. Many clubs would love to be in the position we are in at the moment. 3rd in the league, in all three cup competitions (including one win away from a final), we are in a privileged position and people need to start realising it. 

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