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DavidEU

Nemanja Matic

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matic is still a good player. he is valuable for this team. not sure if he is a starter material tho, but his skill would be immense if something bad happens. we desperately need depth.

would never sold to any english team, especially not to united. 

buy another midfielder and keep matic. no one guarantees that the new midfielder is going to be better than matic. 

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How can you all have such a low bar for quality? What on earth does Matic offer that a random youth player like Chalobah doesn't? Is it his 1 goal per season? It's not his non-existent interceptions or his clumsy tackling. Is it just because he's very tall and doesn't fall down much? It's created the illusion he's a wall of some kind and not a flimsy piece of dead tree? Players get past him every single game. Every single time.

Critical thinking is lacking in a world where 'he should be kept as a squad player, he's alright' is good enough to start for Chelsea. Critical thinking is lacking in the suggestion that Matic is demoted to the bench; Is 'alright' good enough when we're feeling the pressure in a Champions League semi-final, and need to bring on a player which gives us some sort of edge? What a waste of space that would be.

He doesn't have the ability to do anything from the sub bench other than add fresh legs. You want to reject 40m+ for some fresh legs? You fear United unlocking this player?

And what does he do when he starts? As much as Mikel did, but we won't open that bag of worms. We got rid of him for a reason. He got the same exact intensity poured onto him as Matic is having right now for a reason. Because take away 1 wondergoal from Matic a season... what's the difference. Nothing. I thought we were supposed to have upgraded our squad, but every midfield from 2010 has been at least as strong as this one; every one before it being stronger.

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At least we can all agree, if it were a Chelsea youngster that's done what Matic has done, we'd all love him. 

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3 hours ago, Leif said:

1) How can you all have such a low bar for quality?

2) What on earth does Matic offer that a random youth player like Chalobah doesn't?

3) Players get past him every single game. Every single time.

4) He doesn't have the ability to do anything from the sub bench other than add fresh legs.

1) I have asked myself that same Question when Ballack came here as the "Most Goalthreatening Midfielder" in Europe. What followed was him scoring 17 Goals in 5 Years as an Attacking Midfielder. Matic is a different Story tough.

2) I can tell you what Matic offers that most Footballers don't possess. An Eye fore Space, Vision, the Ability to open Opponents Defenses with Passes out of his Hip, The Ability to score Goals if need be and an uncanny Ability to Dribble past multiple Players and bring Balance to any Midfield. However this Matic cannot be unleashed if he is shackled to Defensive Duties.

3) I will tell you something. Players get past Players every single Game on any Day of the Week. That's Football.

4) But he has the Ability to marshall Midfields and initiate offensive plays.

And he is a Champion. He won us 2 Titles in 3 Years. He is a Winner.

If you had to choose between a suboptimally playing Matic who wins us Titles ore an amazingly playing Naingollan or Bakayoko, who doesn't win us any Titles .. Who would you choose?

2) Chances created: 27

3) Assists: 9

4) Passes Completed: 1602

5) Pass Accuracy: 88%

6) Forward Passes: 77% (Matic, the "TalkChelsea Squarepasser" .. LoL)

7) Shot Accuracy: 54%

8) League Titles past 3 Years: 2

 

While I do aggree that Stats don't tell the whole Story, there is no doubt that Stats + Results finishing in Success definately do.

That's an Equation noone can deny.

I'll be honest now, although I know that some Forum Users will attack me fore it ...

I'd love to bring in Naingollan (after analysing his play and watching some Youtube Videos) in order fore him to partner up with Matic, while Kante remains on the Bench as Backup next Season ore as Rotational Player.

Naingollan (acting more defensively) playing right behind Matic (who acts more as a Playmaker) would be enormous.

I believe this Core would be devastating fore any opposing Midfield .. be it Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juve or any other Team.

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There won't be a Matic - Naingollan Partnership anytime soon, it seems ..

 

Radja Nainggolan believes that Antonio Conte is “still a little angry” that he rejected a move to Chelsea last summer.

Roma midfielder Nainggolan was thought to be one of Conte’s primary transfer targets last summer, but he eventually turned down a switch to Stamford Bridge.

Conte instead landed N’Golo Kante for £30million and paired him most often with Nemanja Matic in midfield as Chelsea cruised to the Premier League title.

Nainggolan once again enjoyed a fine season in Italy, helping Roma finish second in Serie A, while they reached the Coppa Italia semi-finals.

The 29-year-old is not expecting to hear from Conte again however, as he thinks the Italian is still “angry” with him.

“I haven’t heard from Conte this year,” he told Italia 1. “I think he’s probably still a little angry with me about last year. At least I think he is, I don’t know.

“I get very fond of places and if you earn a certain respect, it’s because you’ve given them something. I am happy in Rome, I like playing where I do now and changing club often is not my style. I showed love.”

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17 hours ago, Jason said:

This thread since last Saturday...

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Reminds me of the Kalou debate. 

Although to be fair he was a good player to have on the bench. 

Might be the same case with Matic. 

Not good for starting 11, but good to have on the bench. 

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On 2017-6-2 at 5:52 AM, TheWiz said:

It's Contes job to lure out the best of a Player.

We've all seen what a Matic on top of his Game is able to do. We saw it two Seasons ago ... When he forced opposing Midfields into Submission on a regular Basis, when he marshalled our Midfield better than any Chelsea Player before him in History.

If Conte is not able to squeeze the best out of a footballing Genius like Matic, then what can we expect from Conte in the upcoming Seasons, with Midfielders like Bakayoko or Nainggolan, who are far less versatile compared to Matic?

The Fact we have not sold him yet to United ore any other Club is a good Sign fore Conte knowing much more about his Players, than we do.

2 Things.

First, Lamps? Make-fucking-lele?

Second, what is it with the ore and fore? At first I thought it was a typo, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Nothing big, just can't help but notice that.

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14 hours ago, BlueStorm1003 said:

2 Things.

First, Lamps? Make-fucking-lele?

Yeah I mean, I was talking about the one sensational Season, not his overall Performance since he came back to Chelsea.

The Thing is this I believe ...

Matic set such an abnormally high Standard two Seasons ago, that whenever he performs below that Level, People feel like he's the main reason why we lose (single) Games, instead of carrying us from flawless Victory to flawless Victory - Although he still wins us Titles.

So big was his Influence back then, that People came up with Terms like the "Matic Position"

You don't play like that just by coincidence. That's not possible in Football. You are either able to perform a certain Level ore you are not.

And if Matic, fore whatever reason, is not able to release his Magic by his own, it's Conte's Job to help him find a way to do so.

Because, if Conte can't release the best Matic possible, what can we expect from him when it comes to Players who are far less talented than Matic?

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6 hours ago, TheWiz said:

Yeah I mean, I was talking about the one sensational Season, not his overall Performance since he came back to Chelsea.

The Thing is this I believe ...

Matic set such an abnormally high Standard two Seasons ago, that whenever he performs below that Level, People feel like he's the main reason why we lose (single) Games, instead of carrying us from flawless Victory to flawless Victory - Although he still wins us Titles.

So big was his Influence back then, that People came up with Terms like the "Matic Position"

You don't play like that just by coincidence. That's not possible in Football. You are either able to perform a certain Level ore you are not.

And if Matic, fore whatever reason, is not able to release his Magic by his own, it's Conte's Job to help him find a way to do so.

Because, if Conte can't release the best Matic possible, what can we expect from him when it comes to Players who are far less talented than Matic?

Matic would only fit in a 3-5-2. 3-4-3 doesn't seem to work. It did seem to work back last year in the winter but right now, it seems like that effect has worn out. 

But even then I think it would be wise to sell him. And Matic himself should consider moving to Italy because I think that's the perfect league for him.

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7 hours ago, TheWiz said:

Matic set such an abnormally high Standard two Seasons ago, that whenever he performs below that Level, People feel like he's the main reason why we lose (single) Games, instead of carrying us from flawless Victory to flawless Victory - Although he still wins us Titles.

I do accept that I felt he was great that season, but "abnormally high" is a bit of a stretch.

Also, whilst Matic did play an important role, he did not win us the title. Not this year, not 2 years ago. He was important, but not to that point.

7 hours ago, TheWiz said:

You don't play like that just by coincidence. That's not possible in Football. You are either able to perform a certain Level ore you are not.

This is something I do agree with you on. I do agree that I know that Matic can be a monster on his day, but right now, it doesn't look like he will be able to go back to that version of himself on a consistent basis.

7 hours ago, TheWiz said:

And if Matic, fore whatever reason, is not able to release his Magic by his own, it's Conte's Job to help him find a way to do so.

No, it is not. Conte´s job is to make sure that the team ticks together and performs. If one player can't adapt to the system, tough shit. You either adapt or you are out.

He, and I´m sure others, see him as a defensive midfielder. Getting him behind our strikers would be madness, and those highlight videos won´t change that.

Yes, he can score screamers, and go past other players, but that happens rarely.

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On 6/2/2017 at 8:56 PM, TheWiz said:

I'll be honest now, although I know that some Forum Users will attack me fore it ...

I'd love to bring in Naingollan (after analysing his play and watching some Youtube Videos) in order fore him to partner up with Matic, while Kante remains on the Bench as Backup next Season ore as Rotational Player.

Naingollan (acting more defensively) playing right behind Matic (who acts more as a Playmaker) would be enormous.

I believe this Core would be devastating fore any opposing Midfield .. be it Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juve or any other Team.

ha ha ha. I'm sure you're just trying to get a nibble but i'll bite.

1) Why would you bench our best midfielder in Kante

2) Why would you play Radja, who has played as an attacking mid all season, behind a poor Matic.

3) please learn to spell for

 

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On 6/3/2017 at 1:26 AM, TheWiz said:

I'll be honest now, although I know that some Forum Users will attack me fore it ...

I'd love to bring in Naingollan (after analysing his play and watching some Youtube Videos) in order fore him to partner up with Matic, while Kante remains on the Bench as Backup next Season ore as Rotational Player.

Naingollan (acting more defensively) playing right behind Matic (who acts more as a Playmaker) would be enormous.

I believe this Core would be devastating fore any opposing Midfield .. be it Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juve or any other Team.

People will attack anyone who will talk out of sense which is exactly what you post suggests.

Why would u want to keep Kante on the bench who has not only been our best player but the best in the league. I m not going to degrade Matic but it doesnt make any sense to play Matic over Kante. 

And playing Nainggolan & Matic together, the best option would be to play the 3 men midfield which will be Matic - Kante - Nainggolan with Nainggolan being the free roam and the attacking outlet for us. 

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1 hour ago, Viva La Hazard said:

ha ha ha. I'm sure you're just trying to get a nibble but i'll bite.

1) Why would you bench our best midfielder in Kante

2) Why would you play Radja, who has played as an attacking mid all season, behind a poor Matic.

3) please learn to spell for

 

Please do not start telling people how to spell. There are all different types of cultures on this forum and not everyone will spell or speak the language perfectly, so please refrain from a regimental way.

Thanks.

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On 4.6.2017 at 3:13 PM, BlueStorm1003 said:

He was important, but not to that point.

This is something I do agree with you on. I do agree that I know that Matic can be a monster on his day, but right now, it doesn't look like he will be able to go back to that version of himself on a consistent basis.

No, it is not. Conte´s job is to make sure that the team ticks together and performs. If one player can't adapt to the system, tough shit. You either adapt or you are out.

He, and I´m sure others, see him as a defensive midfielder. Getting him behind our strikers would be madness, and those highlight videos won´t change that.

Yes, he can score screamers, and go past other players, but that happens rarely.

I did not mean, that he won us the Title "on his own".

I think that's something many of you here misunderstand. What I mean is ... He was/is one of the Pillars of the Title Winning Season(s).

Sure it's his Job. Ore at least Part of his Job. What else is  the Reason for Coaches to do private Training Sessions, Conversations and Match Analyses with single Players?

How would it be madness? It would be perfect. A Playmaker, who has Vision, the Ability to go past Players, open up the Space and create Chances as well as reclaim the Ball and initiate Attacks out of his own Half, if need be.

It happens rarely. Then Conte needs to put him into a Position, where it happens more often.

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5 hours ago, Viva La Hazard said:

 

1) Why would you bench our best midfielder in Kante

2) Why would you play Radja, who has played as an attacking mid all season, behind a poor Matic.

3) please learn to spell for

 

1) If I had to choose 2 out of the 3, I'd take Matic and Naingollan I think. But all 3 of em forming the same Midfield would probably be the best. I agree on that.

2) Because I believe that Radja is the more reliable DM while Matic is a natural Playmaker.

3) Don't worry about that.

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5 hours ago, coolhead23 said:

Why would u want to keep Kante on the bench who has not only been our best player but the best in the league. I m not going to degrade Matic but it doesnt make any sense to play Matic over Kante. 

And playing Nainggolan & Matic together, the best option would be to play the 3 men midfield which will be Matic - Kante - Nainggolan with Nainggolan being the free roam and the attacking outlet for us. 

Because Matic is a natural Playmaker and a very good DM at the same Time. Kante doesn't provide enough offensive Abilities to be chosen over Matic.

I agree with your second Line. Although I don't agree with Part where you suggest Nainggolan playing as free Roam.

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"And in central midfield, much will depend on Nemanja Matic. The Serb is in negotiations with Chelsea about a new deal, but it hasn't been smooth. Ideally, Conte wants Matic to stick around. That's his priority ahead of any new midfield signing - which has been made clear to the player's minders."

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/calm-conte-why-chelsea-not-panicking-over-sudden-man-city-mega-spend-4184682

 

The Article claims, what I've been thinking since the beginning of last Season.

That Conte knows and aknowledges Matic being on of the Pillars of the Team.

And that he kows it would be a big Mistake to let Matic go, because without him the Task to defend the Title and be successful in the Champions League would be a lot harder.

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