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Willian

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Sell!!! Get him on the next flight please.


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49 minutes ago, 1chelsea said:

Sell!!! Get him on the next flight please.

Willian doesn't even need selling, just don't extend his contract and he will leave on his own.

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19 hours ago, Simon1991 said:

I would not mind Willian staying as a squad player (third or fourth option on the wing), but we all know FL is a big fan of Willian and would probably see it differently. I am not sure how to describe this, but i have this big hunch Willian's strong personality makes it hard for the manager to drop him from the team. From the outside he's not this big leader figure, but i have this feeling/idea he's HIGHLY respected by the rest of team and manager due to his senior status and personality.

 

Lamp is maybe a rookie manager but he is not stupid. If willian played poorly for many games, he won't play. 

I am quite surprised people don't get why Willian is starting for us after wolves game. 

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Just now, communicate said:

Lamp is maybe a rookie manager but he is not stupid. If willian played poorly for many games, he won't play. 

I am quite surprised people don't get why Willian is starting for us after wolves game. 

I absolutely get it

same for Alonso

it is why I backed way off them months ago

only time in past few months I got pissed at Willian was when he was dead knackered, so not really his fault

I am one of the very few who want him to stay on

he is a great squad player to have on the bench

and it saves us (IF we let him go and bought a decent winger to replace him)  tens of millions this window

which we do not have to spare

as we have to pump so much into all the other positions

the only wingers in the world above 29yo who are better than Willian atm

are

Messi

CR7

Ángel Di María

Gareth Bale (and he has destroyed a huge chunk of his remaining career by fucking off at Real)

and maybe, maybe, Ivan Perišić (not for me)

that is literally it

no, one season farmer league wonder Dušan Tadić is not better, he was dogshit in the EPL and is horrid at defensive trackback play (one of Willian's true strong-points) zero goals this season in CL group stage, and in 2018-19, his crazy stats year almost ALL his goals were against teams who would be instantly relegated in the Championship. Out of his 38 goals that year, only 5 where against quality teams (and what made his rep was that 3 of them were against Bayern and Real) Almost all his goals and assists where against dogshit. (his only 4 assists against quality teams were again 3 total against Bayern and Real, plus 1 v spurs)

This season, zero goals against quality teams, all comps, 3 league assists v quality (PSV and Feyenoord), and 3 CL assists v a decent teams (Valencia and Lille)

banging in a shedload versus utter dregs like Sturm Graz, Telstar, Spakenburg, Emmen,, VVV-Venlo, Heerenveen, RKC Waalwijk, SBV Excelsior, De Graafschap Doetinchem, and Fortuna Sittard is meaningless.

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I think where some consideration needs to come into play is what if the likes of Ziyech and (hopefully) Havertz take time to adapt and adjust to the league? Similarly Hudson Odoi still has a lot of development. I think it's a risk to just let Willian walk if there's the chance to keep him if others expected to replace him have teething problems.

However we as a fan base view Willian, in my opinion he'd be first choice right winger still at every other club in the league bar Liverpool and City. So to have a player of that ilk within the squad shouldn't just be dismissed.

He also offers a lot of experience which could be important. Some of the players being talked about leaving - Willian, Pedro, Jorginho, Alonso, Giroud are amongst our most experienced players in the group and sometimes that needs to be leaned on just like Lampard did in the latter stages of this season. I would not want to simply let too many of them go all at once.

Another factor to consider is the condensed schedule we'll face next season. It will be tiring and gruelling to challenge on multiple fronts and we need the squad for it. Being able to use 5 subs still will allow Lampard far greater flexibility to use and rotate the squad and having numbers will be important (especially considering Pulisic and Hudson Odoi have had injury issues and Ziyech will be first year in the league). I think it's already benefited us since lock down having a strong bench to call upon.

Willian hasn't shown any deterioration in his physical attributes yet and hopefully being part of a rotation of the attacking players can keep him fresh and fit at that level for a while longer.

3 years will be too much in my opinion given his age, but I'd have no problem giving him a 2 year contract still.

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2 hours ago, communicate said:

Lamp is maybe a rookie manager but he is not stupid. If willian played poorly for many games, he won't play. 

I am quite surprised people don't get why Willian is starting for us after wolves game. 

Yes if he was utter shit for several games at some point he would have to, but we have seen Willian playing bad or average at best for a string of matches and still not being dropped and that's my point, Willian is always given more leeway.

Frank has been quicker on the trigger with some other players when not performing at the required level.

Again i really don't mind Willian as a squad player, but i can see him being one of Frank first options if he stays, and i don't think he's good enough.

I am sorry, I did not understand your second sentence, what do you mean by that?

 

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12 hours ago, Simon1991 said:

 

I am sorry, I did not understand your second sentence, what do you mean by that?

 

Did you watch our game vs wolves? 

If you did, you can tell why Willian has been a starter for us. 

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19 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

How is Willian a leader? Just because he is old does not mean he is a good leader.

Never said he was a good leader. He's just been there and done it. Where half these kids have not. Frank has spoken about this numerous times. I also don't see you in the changing room daily, so you wouldn't know what impact he has behind the scenes. You solely base that off what you see on the field. I'll take Franks' word for it. 

 

I'm also not saying I want him to stay. Don't get it twisted. I just think if Frank wants him to stay for a season then there is a reason behind it. 

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When I saw that Willian wasn't included my belief we might win fell a notch. Like all of us I thought it must be a fitness issue. When the commentator said that apparently he was not injured however, I immediately thought conflict of interest. This view was reinforced very shortly afterward when Danny Murphy said that he had heard from a very good source that Willian's future had been resolved and hinted he would be leaving for another Premier League team. The dots fell into line..

If he's moving to Arsenal then asking him to contribute to eliminating them from Europe is asking him to act against his own interests. No Europe next season would damage Willian's sporting interests, and as his earning power. If this is the reason he missed yesterday, I suppose we'll have to wait for someone to write a book before we know if it was Frank, the club or the player himself, who didn't want Willian involved under those circumstances.

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20 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

When I saw that Willian wasn't included my belief we might win fell a notch. Like all of us I thought it must be a fitness issue. When the commentator said that apparently he was not injured however, I immediately thought conflict of interest. This view was reinforced very shortly afterward when Danny Murphy said that he had heard from a very good source that Willian's future had been resolved and hinted he would be leaving for another Premier League team. The dots fell into line..

If he's moving to Arsenal then asking him to contribute to eliminating them from Europe is asking him to act against his own interests. No Europe next season would damage Willian's sporting interests, and as his earning power. If this is the reason he missed yesterday, I suppose we'll have to wait for someone to write a book before we know if it was Frank, the club or the player himself, who didn't want Willian involved under those circumstances.

Willian himself admitted before the game that he's still in pain so that's the reason why he wasn't playing.

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1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

When I saw that Willian wasn't included my belief we might win fell a notch. Like all of us I thought it must be a fitness issue. When the commentator said that apparently he was not injured however, I immediately thought conflict of interest. This view was reinforced very shortly afterward when Danny Murphy said that he had heard from a very good source that Willian's future had been resolved and hinted he would be leaving for another Premier League team. The dots fell into line..

If he's moving to Arsenal then asking him to contribute to eliminating them from Europe is asking him to act against his own interests. No Europe next season would damage Willian's sporting interests, and as his earning power. If this is the reason he missed yesterday, I suppose we'll have to wait for someone to write a book before we know if it was Frank, the club or the player himself, who didn't want Willian involved under those circumstances.

Lampard said after the game that he pulled up in training on Friday. That's all we can base it on for now.

If that theory was true however, I would be disappointed that Willian couldn't be trusted to put everything in for Chelsea. After all, there is a trophy and medal opportunity to add to his collection. One which at his stage of his career, may not present itself again.

I can remember us agreeing to sell Brian Laudrup to Copenhagen before playing them in Europe and he still played and scored the goal to knock them out. In my opinion you give your all for your team that you are contracted to, no matter the circumstances. There are no excuses for anything less.

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2 hours ago, pHaRaOn said:

Willian himself admitted before the game that he's still in pain so that's the reason why he wasn't playing.

It's pretty certain that injury would be the cover story agreed upon by all parties but neither the commentator nor Danny Murphy are prone to hyperbole. The commentator would not have said what he said without reason, and no way at all would Murphy claim to have a good source if he did not.

The injury tale is a good one because it could be true that Willian felt pain, without that pain being sufficient reason to miss the game. The comment could therefore be accurate,  while still hiding the real reason for the player's absence.

I do not believe that the commentator was mistaken or misinformed.

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39 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Lampard said after the game that he pulled up in training on Friday. That's all we can base it on for now.

If that theory was true however, I would be disappointed that Willian couldn't be trusted to put everything in for Chelsea. After all, there is a trophy and medal opportunity to add to his collection. One which at his stage of his career, may not present itself again.

I can remember us agreeing to sell Brian Laudrup to Copenhagen before playing them in Europe and he still played and scored the goal to knock them out. In my opinion you give your all for your team that you are contracted to, no matter the circumstances. There are no excuses for anything less.

I'd forgotten that Brian Laudrup situation. In fact, whole years go by when I don't remember he played for us at all. 🙂

On this occasion I trust the commentator more than I trust the injury excuse. My speculation for the real reason may not be accurate but, until I hear something which convinces me to change my mind about the the injury claim, I'm afraid I simply don't believe it.

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