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BlueLion.

Wulfert van Ginkel

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I still think there were instances where he could have helped out more in attack. On any account, it's too early to judge and I hope he can put in better performances in the coming games.

What you say, is also true for the entire defensive players of the team.

I thought that where the defensive midfielder were playing, the central defenders could have played there. I didn't understand why they were sitting so deep while the other team was just sitting in their 35 meters. It's not like the other team were pressing.

Too many long balls to my taste while the other team were into their box, would have liked more intricate movements.

It was a formation, and play to counter-attack.

The wing players had also not many help in the offense, the only option being often passing backwards or crossing into the box.

But it was just the first match of pre-season with many players playing for the first time together.

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Tbh, i never really noticed him, in the first game. I think with the game being as one sided possesion wise as it was, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. He passed the ball well for the most part and did his job, though was never tested defensively and didn't really have to be used in transition from defence to attack as they were all so deep our more advanced players were dropping off anyway.

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I thought he was technically sound which is vital, has a good eye for a Lethal pass whether from deep or close to the box and physically impressive for a 20 year old. Yes he was a bit shaky when he came on hence the misplaced passes but still had the vision to see those passes and grew in confidence later. He still reminds me of how oscar had a shaky start at chelsea but in his case he has a whole preseason to understand his team and acquire confidence.

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the defensive side of his game was spot on. he will be a very useful player for us.

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I feel the same way as i did after the first game. I never really noticed he was there. From a defensive standpoint i suppose thats a good thing, but he wasn't involved in much of the buildup.

Only played 2 pre season friendleys so no where near enough time to say anything definitive.

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Excellent defensively. His partnership with Essien (who was great again today) was great. Didn't drive forward much but that will come eventually once he gains more confidence. For now though, tidy in possession, great composure and very capable defensively. He'll def be a vital squad player.

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He looks very tidy so far. I'd still like to see him in a more box-to-box role when Mikel comes back though.

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His style really reminds me of Ballack. What's also great is how he's got a football brain already at such a young age. Knows when he must sit back and when he can go forward. Tough tackler too. Quite impressed

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Yes it's only preseason and yes it's only for fitness. But I couldn't help but wonder today, why in the hell are we sending this guy out on loan but keeping Van Ginkel who looked like he was struggling with some basic passes?!

Incredibly harsh on Van Ginkel. Did he even misplace a pass today? Not sure where when you saw him struggle with basic passes.

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Yes it's only preseason and yes it's only for fitness. But I couldn't help but wonder today, why in the hell are we sending this guy out on loan but keeping Van Ginkel who looked like he was struggling with some basic passes?!

the fuck you on about? van ginkel didnt put a foot wrong with his passing.

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Yes it's only preseason and yes it's only for fitness. But I couldn't help but wonder today, why in the hell are we sending this guy out on loan but keeping Van Ginkel who looked like he was struggling with some basic passes?!

Not sure what your issue with Van ginkel's passing is, but it's been perfectly fine these last two games. Van Ginkel is also a much more complete player. Josh has magnificent passing but it takes much more than being a great passer of the ball to make it in the premier league in Josh's position. Van Ginkel may not be as good at passing, but on everything else he's ahead of Josh imo. Same as Chalobah

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Incredibly harsh on Van Ginkel. Did he even misplace a pass today? Not sure where when you saw him struggle with basic passes.

the fuck you on about? van ginkel didnt put a foot wrong with his passing.

Van Ginkel's passing has been terrible in both games. Fist he's very slow at it and often needs an extra touch or two before releasing the ball. Second, his technique is awful, meaning even when he does make the pass it is often either behind the player or difficult for him to control; meaning the receiver often has to take an extra touch which also slows down the play. Moreover, his vision is bad; he seems only to be able to make the 'obvious' pass and when a defender blocks that angle he looks unsure what to do and often goes back to defense. And finally, he seems to struggle with passes more than 15-20 meters away and often misplaces them.

Not sure what your issue with Van ginkel's passing is, but it's been perfectly fine these last two games. Van Ginkel is also a much more complete player. Josh has magnificent passing but it takes much more than being a great passer of the ball to make it in the premier league in Josh's position. Van Ginkel may not be as good at passing, but on everything else he's ahead of Josh imo. Same as Chalobah

It's still way too early and I'm not passing judgement, but I have not yet seen how Van Ginkel is good at everything else.

I'm going to move those posts because this is not his thread.

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Van Ginkel's passing has been terrible in both games. Fist he's very slow at it and often needs an extra touch or two before releasing the ball. Second, his technique is awful, meaning even when he does make the pass it is often either behind the player or difficult for him to control; meaning the receiver often has to take an extra touch which also slows down the play. Moreover, his vision is bad; he seems only to be able to make the 'obvious' pass and when a defender blocks that angle he looks unsure what to do and often goes back to defense. And finally, he seems to struggle with passes more than 15-20 meters away and often misplaces them.

It's still way too early and I'm not passing judgement, but I have not yet seen how Van Ginkel is good at everything else.

I'm going to move those posts because this is not his thread.

"One of the bigger positives of van Ginkel's game has always been his excellent passing. As you can see in the video, the young Dutchman looks very comfortable on the ball, and his passing range is pretty fantastic. When you consider that this match was both his first Chelsea match and his first pre-season match of the season, that's especially-true. For him to appear so comfortable and competent so soon gives me great hope"

http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2013/7/19/4538144/video-marco-van-ginkel-makes-his-chelsea-debut

go home , your drunk

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"One of the bigger positives of van Ginkel's game has always been his excellent passing. As you can see in the video, the young Dutchman looks very comfortable on the ball, and his passing range is pretty fantastic. When you consider that this match was both his first Chelsea match and his first pre-season match of the season, that's especially-true. For him to appear so comfortable and competent so soon gives me great hope"

http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2013/7/19/4538144/video-marco-van-ginkel-makes-his-chelsea-debut

go home , your drunk

I don't care who wrote that. I saw the two games and this is my opinion. I've expressed it, and I've explained why and I'm going to find a video of his performance and point out the incidents I'm talking about.

If you think otherwise then feel free to explain why. "You're drunk" is not really an intelligent counter-argument.

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@Choulo19 has been trying to degrade MVG since he came here, I don't know if he feels he is a threat to mikel :ph34r:

The kid reminds me of ballack, very dominant defending and is quick in releasing the ball. That's why a lot of people don't notice him, he doesn't hold the ball slowly for 5 seconds everytime like mikel does to slow down play. He quickly passes it on to speed up the play.

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Van Ginkel's passing has been terrible in both games. Fist he's very slow at it and often needs an extra touch or two before releasing the ball. Second, his technique is awful, meaning even when he does make the pass it is often either behind the player or difficult for him to control; meaning the receiver often has to take an extra touch which also slows down the play. Moreover, his vision is bad; he seems only to be able to make the 'obvious' pass and when a defender blocks that angle he looks unsure what to do and often goes back to defense. And finally, he seems to struggle with passes more than 15-20 meters away and often misplaces them.

It's still way too early and I'm not passing judgement, but I have not yet seen how Van Ginkel is good at everything else.

I'm going to move those posts because this is not his thread.

You can't be serious Choulo. He was Dutch talent of the year for crying out loud.

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You can't be serious Choulo. He was Dutch talent of the year for crying out loud.

What does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about his passing in the past two games which has been very bad.

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What does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about his passing in the past two games which has been very bad.

Well I've seen Marco play quite a few Eredivisie games and I can tell you right now you're being ridiculous if you want to judge his passing, which wasn't even very bad to begin with, on two meaningless pre season games. He's a good passer.
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