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BlueLion.

Wulfert van Ginkel

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Great attitude by the lad to want to stay and fight for his place here, but I fear this may not be the best decision for his development. Obviously it's too early to tell, especially with so little game time to go around at the moment, but I fear what happened to Kalas last season will happen to Marco this year.

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Great attitude by the lad to want to stay and fight for his place here, but I fear this may not be the best decision for his development. Obviously it's too early to tell, especially with so little game time to go around at the moment, but I fear what happened to Kalas last season will happen to Marco this year.

I think he has more chances... Luiz was used as our first replacement in the defense and while Ramires would replace a few guys in our midfield, I think he's more of an AN for Mourinho than a proper center midfielder... I think he'll play much more than Kalas did in case he stays

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I think that if he had gone then he'd have been done here, so I'm glad he's sticking around. We may well need him as the games get closer and at the start of next year when Mikel has better things to do than play for this club.

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I think that if he had gone then he'd have been done here, so I'm glad he's sticking around. We may well need him as the games get closer and at the start of next year when Mikel has better things to do than play for this club.

maybe we can give mikel to milan in january. once he has his precious passport.

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He will likely play in all of our capital cup games along with earlier FA games

during one of the most intense part of the season between December and January when we play a lot, we mostly face only bottom table sides in EPL. I think we may see in some of those matches too - but just a few, the thing is we never know how he'll respond, maybe he starts impressing in training and in the few matches and boom, he's the first name to come in when Matic and/or Fabregas need to rest or can't play.

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I think he has more chances... Luiz was used as our first replacement in the defense and while Ramires would replace a few guys in our midfield, I think he's more of an AN for Mourinho than a proper center midfielder... I think he'll play much more than Kalas did in case he stays

I surely hope so, but I just fear for him. We've suffered too much with young players like Marco to not have a lot of concerns.

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I surely hope so, but I just fear for him. We've suffered too much with young players like Marco to not have a lot of concerns.

I don't think Jose intended to ignore Kalas it was more bad luck than anything.

He was injured at the start then missed the Swindon match were he would have likely played, then he was fit for the next round but, again unfortunately for him, we were at The Emirates, then after that Gary and John established themselves as the foundation of the team for the rest of the season.

Im sure Mou was being genuine when he said Kalas would start twenty games, just a series off circumstances prevented it happening.

Also with Huth, Mikel and Varane, Jose has already shown in his career he will give a young player an important role under the correct conditions.

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We were going to loan mvg for a season. Having mainly 4 CM/DMs.

People who think mikel is here only cos of his passport thing have got to be the most iggorant and blind people.

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I don't think Jose intended to ignore Kalas it was more bad luck than anything.

He was injured at the start then missed the Swindon match were he would have likely played, then he was fit for the next round but, again unfortunately for him, we were at The Emirates, then after that Gary and John established themselves as the foundation of the team for the rest of the season.

Im sure Mou was being genuine when he said Kalas would start twenty games, just a series off circumstances prevented it happening.

Also with Huth, Mikel and Varane, Jose has already shown in his career he will give a young player an important role under the correct conditions.

Kalas was never going to play 20 games. Terry, Cahill, Luiz, and Ivanovic were all ahead of him at CB. 4th/5th choice CBs don't get any playing time on any team and it was obvious before the season that Kalas wasn't going to play much.

I think he has more chances... Luiz was used as our first replacement in the defense and while Ramires would replace a few guys in our midfield, I think he's more of an AN for Mourinho than a proper center midfielder... I think he'll play much more than Kalas did in case he stays

Luiz was our first replacement midfielder when Ramires and Lampard was our midfield pairing. We have since added Fabergas and Matic. Ramires is third choice and Mikel is the guy Mourinho likes to bring on late in games to help close things out. It is hard to see MVG getting very many minutes barring major injuries. He's a better and more well-rounded prospect than Romeu so I have higher hopes for him but at some point, he is going to have to play more than just a few minutes here and there in order to take the next step in his career.

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We were going to loan mvg for a season. Having mainly 4 CM/DMs.

People who think mikel is here only cos of his passport thing have got to be the most iggorant and blind people.

So you're saying that Mikel doesn't want a British passport then?

Van Ginkel can do the Mikel job. Mikel doesn't do a single special thing.

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So you're saying that Mikel doesn't want a British passport then?

did u miss reading ONLY???

Mikel is here cos jose wants him. That's why romeu went on loan and that's why we dint have a problem with teying to loan mvg.

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did u miss reading ONLY???

Mikel is here cos jose wants him. That's why romeu went on loan and that's why we dint have a problem with teying to loan mvg.

So you're saying that we could sell Mikel, but Jose actually wants him here?

What are you basing that on?

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So you're saying that we could sell Mikel, but Jose actually wants him here?

What are you basing that on?

The fact that nikel is here while everyone that jose does not want is leaving or atleast rumored to be leaving aka luiz, lukaku, ba, torres etc etc.

What FACTS are u basing your hate on that mikel is here not cos jose wants him but cos he has passport issues?

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The fact that nikel is here while everyone that jose does not want is leaving or atleast rumored to be leaving aka luiz, lukaku, ba, torres etc etc.

What FACTS are u basing your hate on that mikel is here not cos jose wants him but cos he has passport issues?

Luiz, Lukaku and Ba all wanted to leave. Torres hasn't left yet. Van Ginkel apparently doesn't want to leave either, and he hasn't.

I'm basing it on things I've heard from people I trust. He's eligible for a passport in October, no-one in this country wants to buy him and he doesn't want to leave until he's got it. Can't do much if he doesn't want to leave, but people at the club think he's served us well enough to deserve it.

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Luiz, Lukaku and Ba all wanted to leave. Torres hasn't left yet. Van Ginkel apparently doesn't want to leave either, and he hasn't.

I'm basing it on things I've heard from people I trust. He's eligible for a passport in October, no-one in this country wants to buy him and he doesn't want to leave until he's got it. Can't do much if he doesn't want to leave, but people at the club think he's served us well enough to deserve it.

Thanks for proving my point. Torres does not want toleave yet he is close to being sold. Mvg does not want to go on loan yet we were looking to loan him. And all this was not said by people you or I trust but by ac milan chairman and tabloids loke bbc and ssn. On the other hand, were their any rumors of us wanting to get rid off mikel? Anything concrete. That Proves that jose is happy having mikel in the sqaud.

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Thanks for proving my point. Torres does not want toleave yet he is close to being sold. Mvg does not want to go on loan yet we were looking to loan him.

They're both still here though. You understand that right? Van Ginkel has apparently turned the move down and Torres is very much dictating his situation. :doh:

On the other hand, were their any rumors of us wanting to get rid off mikel? Anything concrete. That Proves that jose is happy having mikel in the sqaud.

Yes there were rumours. Mikel simply wasn't going.

You have some weird arguments sometimes. :carlo:

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They're both still here though. You understand that right? Van Ginkel has apparently turned the move down and Torres is very much dictating his situation. :doh:

Yes there were rumours. Mikel simply wasn't going.

You have some weird arguments sometimes. :carlo:

so? the point is jose does not want them. or does not feel they are needed for the squad!!! and that is the reason we are trying to sell/loan them. which we dint do with mikel. how bloody hard is that to understand..the point here is not what the player wants but what JOSE wants. seriously hw hard is that to understand man!!! some people just hear and read what they want to hear. simply :lol: weird indeed.

so now we are counting the dailymail rumors too?? fair enough. :lol:

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Even if he doesn't get much game time, he'll still improve loads. I can see him getting 30 games this season and he's going to be training with some of the best players in Europe. Who knows, maybe Mourinho is going to go all out Football Manager and have Ramires / Fabregas tutor him?

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