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BlueLion.

Fernando Torres

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First off.

Rooney hasn't had any major surgeries in the last 18months that would have impacted his form or abilities. Secondly, Rooney had already been on sensational form before he went through that dip, so there was enough evidence to suggest he'd return to that.

The comparison between Rooney and Torres' form is thin. In fact, it's non-existent. They aren't comparable. Their situations are completely different.

and what was needed to get Rooney back to his best? a overhead kick in the Manc derby, say Torres has a goal at the SOL that goes in off his backside then one minute later scores a screamer goes to the thearte of shit the week after scores the winner then we suddenly have a different and more confident proposition.

There's a thin line and it will only take one moment potentially to kick Fernando off.

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I'll say just wait and see. People say he's not playing well because we're not creative enough, we now have Mata and maybe Modric, if he still under performs than i'm afraid he may be finished.

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First off.

Rooney hasn't had any major surgeries in the last 18months that would have impacted his form or abilities. Secondly, Rooney had already been on sensational form before he went through that dip, so there was enough evidence to suggest he'd return to that.

The comparison between Rooney and Torres' form is thin. In fact, it's non-existent. They aren't comparable. Their situations are completely different.

What about Berbatov?

United payed a lot for him, took him a long time to get used to the team and today, is warming the bench while some young hot shot has taken his place.....

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and what was needed to get Rooney back to his best? a overhead kick in the Manc derby, say Torres has a goal at the SOL that goes in off his backside then one minute later scores a screamer goes to the thearte of shit the week after scores the winner then we suddenly have a different and more confident proposition.

There's a thin line and it will only take one moment potentially to kick Fernando off.

Agreed. I'm not saying he's finished as a striker and a goal threat. Because he's not. All I'm saying is, is that he won't be returning to that same Torres that made him the most feared striker in the world.

What about Berbatov?

United payed a lot for him, took him a long time to get used to the team and today, is warming the bench while some young hot shot has taken his place.....

Indeed. We may see the same with the rise of Sturridge, and if Sturridge will give us more goals then I don't care if £50million sits on the bench.

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TBH right now Sturridge deserves to play as the CF more than either Torres or Drogba. It's just not working for Torres and Drogba has been atrocious and doesn't give a fuck anymore.

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There's a thin line and it will only take one moment potentially to kick Fernando off.

Hindsight being 20/20, Torres should have been introduced in much more mild manner. Starting against and losing to Liverpool as his first game really seems to have set the jinx in. Mancini did the right thing by subbing Aguero in an easy game against Swansea and AVB did the right thing today by doing the same for Mata.

It has indeed been very frustrating. I can only imagine how he feels. At this point what is there to do but to give him some time with Mata and potentially Modric or some other new midfielder. Hopefully he will come around. I dread to think of the alternative.

Is it possible for AVB to invite Marco Van Basten to come in and have a chat with Torres? He just seems to be very out of sorts in and around goal and I don't think it's about the much discussed loss of pace.

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Feel tremendously sorry for Torres but sport is a fast-moving and unforgiving environment, particularly with today’s media saturation, which allows self-deluding idiots like Joey Barton to be lionised for their exploits on twitter, and is full of lazy journalism where opinion counts for more than actual analysis. When he was at Liverpool he often seemed to be on the periphery of games but always scored, while at Chelsea he rarely looks like scoring and it’s painful to watch for anyone that remembers him at his best. It’s important that Chelsea don’t let this campaign be dominated by his struggles. Fortunately (unlike Carlo), AVB doesn’t seem the kind of manager who is willing to use a player as a buffer to mask his own shortcomings. In many ways these are exciting times, with the arrival of Mata and the emergence of young players with great potential . People have got to hold onto that and maybe, with the temporary absence of Drogba and a more creative force in the team, Torres' contribution will start to justify the fee that still seems to be such a weight on his shoulders.

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We don't need any more proof that the Torres-Drogba experiment doesn't work. Whether in a more conventional 4-4-2 or as a diamond midfield. And it's apparent why. The squad is so attuned to Drogba's strengths that even when both of them are on the pitch together the rest of them play as they would if Drogba was the lone striker. Now that Mata has arrived and another technical forward player likely to arrive (whether that is a winger or someone like Modric) we will see a shift towards a more inventive, quick passing game that is suited to our new acquisitions.

Agreed, we now know it must be either/or.

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Agreed. I'm not saying he's finished as a striker and a goal threat. Because he's not. All I'm saying is, is that he won't be returning to that same Torres that made him the most feared striker in the world.

Indeed. We may see the same with the rise of Sturridge, and if Sturridge will give us more goals then I don't care if £50million sits on the bench.

The thing i will say is what i been saying over and over again. Attitude!

Torres attitude is like Berbatov. They are great player, but they are like whatever attitude....

While Sturridge and Hernandez have a totally different attitude. And this attitude helps them a bit.

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Whether we like to admit it or not, Torres has become a major liability to the club.

Yep. For two reasons. First off, since we bought him he was quite poor most of the time. The second reason is that even he seems to have a decent form (against Stoke and WBA), he is useless because nobody give hil the ball.

TBH right now Sturridge deserves to play as the CF more than either Torres or Drogba. It's just not working for Torres and Drogba has been atrocious and doesn't give a fuck anymore.

You took the words right off of my mouth. We should by a f*ucking right winger and play Danni as a CF. We can't waste him on the wing while our other CF are so poor.

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The thing i will say is what i been saying over and over again. Attitude!

Torres attitude is like Berbatov. They are great player, but they are like whatever attitude....

While Sturridge and Hernandez have a totally different attitude. And this attitude helps them a bit.

I think It has nothing to do with his atttude, hunger yes attitude no. Torres has not been great as a Chelsea player thats for sure. He is to blame

but not him alone. The way we play doesn`t suit him, its been told many times. But lets se what will happen with him and Mata. He has to be

that ego striker in front or he will never be useful for us. In Liverpool there was only Torres and every ball came to him, in Chelsea there

are many strikers and egos who has to be satisfied.

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My fucking god, don't write off Torres before the man has some fucking proper support!

Seriously pissing me off. Mata came on for 20 minutes and Torres had his best chance to score in his 3 games this season.

Yeah, they link well looks good.

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My fucking god, don't write off Torres before the man has some fucking proper support!

Not writing him off at all.

He can still be a good striker and still could get us a lot of goals. But the form that we did pay £50million for, will not be returning to him. This I am, disappointingly, sure of.

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The Dzeko situation gives me some hope too, he had time to gel, and now has Silva, Nasri and Aguero helping him out. We have Mata and if we get a Modric/Sneijder before the end of the window watch the difference. Torres is a great striker , but needs some more service and balls to be delivered to him. I mean we all know how hopeless our wingers have been and how we've lacked creativity - these don't just impact the wingers/midfielders as well all know but the strikers too. Guess we're just spoiled with Drogba who has sometimes shown he doesn't need anybody, besides he played with Lampard in his prime and did have more service/help than what we have provided Torres. He's the shadow of himself and sometimes I feel he's is looking to pass to Drogba even though he's on the bench! A creative midfielder is needed and Mceachran and Mata (goes without saying) need to be used more.

This is true.

Just keep Torres main striker. Who cares what Drogba has to say. He did good for the club, but if he wants to stay, he knows hes time will be on the bench and coming on as a super sub.

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The Dzeko situation gives me some hope too, he had time to gel, and now has Silva, Nasri and Aguero helping him out. We have Mata and if we get a Modric/Sneijder before the end of the window watch the difference. Torres is a great striker , but needs some more service and balls to be delivered to him. I mean we all know how hopeless our wingers have been and how we've lacked creativity - these don't just impact the wingers/midfielders as well all know but the strikers too. Guess we're just spoiled with Drogba who has sometimes shown he doesn't need anybody, besides he played with Lampard in his prime and did have more service/help than what we have provided Torres. He's the shadow of himself and sometimes I feel he's is looking to pass to Drogba even though he's on the bench! A creative midfielder is needed and Mceachran and Mata (goes without saying) need to be used more.

I think Torres is a better striker than Dzeko yet Mancini has managed to fit him into a style of play that suits Dzeko's strengths and the squad's. I don't see that with Torres whether he's playing good or shit. The style still seems to be we're Chelsea of 2-3 years ago when we were in our prime and we're still going to play the same way no matter what. The Chelsea time machine has not changed.

Torres at his best is playing with the ball QUICKER, not slower, not sideways, not backwards, forwards and quicker. For God's sake, Torres played at Kuyt at Liverpool who has the touch of a tree trunk. BUT Kuyt (and others) played quickly and played forward. Torres could create something out of nothing even at Liverpool. The difference he received the ball sooner and was able to attack quicker. Now, defenders everywhere know Chelsea will receive the ball in the middle of the park, pass it backwards, sideways, and maybe then go forward. It's too predictable and too stagnant.

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This is true.

Just keep Torres main striker. Who cares what Drogba has to say. He did good for the club, but if he wants to stay, he knows hes time will be on the bench and coming on as a super sub.

Well I wouldn't put it like that at all, Drogba's not subservient to Torres at all. He can still play, and I'm sure he understands that he can't get every game at his age like he used too.

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I think Torres is a better striker than Dzeko yet Mancini has managed to fit him into a style of play that suits Dzeko's strengths and the squad's. I don't see that with Torres whether he's playing good or shit. The style still seems to be we're Chelsea of 2-3 years ago when we were in our prime and we're still going to play the same way no matter what. The Chelsea time machine has not changed.

Torres at his best is playing with the ball QUICKER, not slower, not sideways, not backwards, forwards and quicker. For God's sake, Torres played at Kuyt at Liverpool who has the touch of a tree trunk. BUT Kuyt (and others) played quickly and played forward. Torres could create something out of nothing even at Liverpool. The difference he received the ball sooner and was able to attack quicker. Now, defenders everywhere know Chelsea will receive the ball in the middle of the park, pass it backwards, sideways, and maybe then go forward. It's too predictable and too stagnant.

Kyut, for all his shortcomings, did a lot of donkey work for Torres. And every once in awhile, he would come up with a sublime pass to Torres, remember the first goal last November at Anfield?

It's down to this: Liverpool played to Torres strengths no matter what. Whether or not he was in form or not, all the players would look to him for the final ball. Now I'm not saying they were very good at it for all 3 1/2 years, but the point is Torres knew his teammates were looking for him. And if they didn't, he would let them know about it. I remember games where he would chew out Babel or Kyut or Rodriquez if they egregiously ignored one of his runs . He can't do that at Chelsea. And even if he could, he would spend all game swearing in Spanish and his hands would get really tired considering how often he's bypassed.

Eh, it's frustrating. I wish I could wave a wand and make it all better.

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