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European Competition thread

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1 hour ago, RoyalBlues said:

Yep. We have a quite successful season under Sarri, and people seems forgot that we still haven't spend any penny from Hazard money. It was indeed gloomy and dark upcoming season for Lamps as chance we couldn't registered any new players until Summer 2020. So, yes ban lifted in January will or has changed everything, including our target and expectations.

hazard's money were already spent for pulisic 

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1 hour ago, Antonio8 said:

hazard's money were already spent for pulisic 

We paid Pulisic money in January 2019.

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and no, we haven't spent Hazard money yet, even if you count Kovacic in

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1 minute ago, RoyalBlues said:

We paid Pulisic money in January 2019.

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and no, we haven't spent Hazard money yet, even if you count Kovacic in

I doubt we will get all lf the Hazard money. Even with the add ons etc still to come depending on whatever, we only got like 80 or 90m upfront IIRC and chances are they will be paying x amount in installments like most clubs do these days too. Its not like FIFA where you get the full 130m in and all to spend, the club will pocket some of it to put into other things too.

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2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I doubt we will get all lf the Hazard money. Even with the add ons etc still to come depending on whatever, we only got like 80 or 90m upfront IIRC and chances are they will be paying x amount in installments like most clubs do these days too. Its not like FIFA where you get the full 130m in and all to spend, the club will pocket some of it to put into other things too.

Yes in general ledger and financial report. But the transfer net spend budget allocated is simply not counting all that variables. Also the same scenario will apply for us too. We could buy players with installments, or loan with an option to buy later to balance the book.

So, back to the point, we will spent because we still have the money. It change everything.

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2 hours ago, RoyalBlues said:

Yes in general ledger and financial report. But the transfer net spend budget allocated is simply not counting all that variables. Also the same scenario will apply for us too. We could buy players with installments, or loan with an option to buy later to balance the book.

So, back to the point, we will spent because we still have the money. It change everything.

Still dont think it means that we will go daft. Many members in the past have maybe stated about spending the likes of £400m+ in one window (mainly summer) and even with the Hazard and Morata money, I dont think that we will in all fairness.

Maybe we will get a couple of faces in January. I reckon we will probably make 2 signings if its possible. In the summer again I would maybe imagine 3 would be what we go for to strengthen the first 11.

Not a completely drastic overhaul but 4 or 5 players in 2 windows is easily doable and also wont bring a massive disruption to our team/squad as I would imagine there will be 3 or 4 going in that time too.

Plus we already have got Ruben, Mount, Tomori, James, Pulisic and Tammy already so its not as if we need 10 new players in the squad. We need some better quality to deepen the squad in some key positions, LB, CB, the 10 position unless Frank goes for using Ruben there (still think Barkley will probably be on his last legs here by then as he has struggled since arriving bar a wee good spell under Sarri at the start) and maybe another winger and CF as it looks as if Pedro and Giroud are off. Midfield though we are pretty stacked with Kante, Jorginho, Ruben, Kovacic, Mount. Mount needs competition whether or not Frank sees Ruben as that, or a deeper midfielder, I dont know. If we keep going 4231 I dont see us needing to be buying another deeper midfielder anyway unless he sees Ruben as a 10 but again weve seen Billy Gilmour this season already so maybe he would be more in Franks mind for that role too to rotate the squad.

I do think we are maybe only 4 or 5 players along with these young guys continuing to improve to be right up there, as long as the players are the right ones, very good ability, mentality and willing to work. I mean even under Jose, once we got Costa, Cesc, Filipe Luis and recalled Courtois, most would have said we were favourites from the get go that season to go win the PL. If theres a solid enough foundation in place we only need to add some good players to it.

We still need to get the defence sorted first because in attack we have potential. Defence and our team shape has definitely let us down more than our attack this season imo. 

 

 

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On 17/12/2019 at 1:54 PM, RoyalBlues said:

We paid Pulisic money in January 2019.

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and no, we haven't spent Hazard money yet, even if you count Kovacic in

those incomes look like a bit strange to me 

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9 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Why?

actual and projected updated sales revenue

£135m Hazard 

£9m Ola Aina

£8m Kalas

£8m Luiz

£8m Hector

£5m Omeruo

£30m Bakayoko

£35m AC

£30m Bats

£50m Morata

£25m Alonso

£40m Zouma

£10m Moses

£10m Zappacosta

£10m Drinkwater

£25m Willian (if we renew him and sell)

£10m Baba

£7m Lewis Baker

£7m Juan Castillo

£13m Mario Pašalić

£8m Jake Clarke-Salter 

£10m Kenedy

£5m Matt Miazga

£2m Richard Nartey

£5m  Charly Musonda

£5m Lucas Piazón

£5m Danilo Pantic

£8  Izzy Brown

£5m Marco van Ginkel (when fully fit, and he is going to renew)

£20m Azpi

£3m  Jay Dasilva

£4m Kasey Palmer

£25m Barkely

£5m Pedro

£5m Giroud

 

that is £590m quid in gross sale revenue alone (and we have LOST well close to £300m in potential valuations the last 2, 3 years due to fucked up sales and non sales and horrid contractual management or we could have had well over 3/4 of a BILLION quid total sales revenue)

many of those sales are already DONE (and the right numbers added in)

subtract out £25m (for the Kovacic buy minus incoming cumulative loan revenue)

that is bloody still well over HALF A BILLION POUNDS STERLING (£565m) in net sales/spend revenue we have generated and will generate since summer 2019 and then beyond

finally assume I am £50m off (to the bad, and my numbers are conservative for the potential sales yet to be done)

that still leaves £515m

so as long as we finish off selling the dregs (and even earning £50m less that I came up with)

we can drop £300m (January and summer 2020 combined) and still turn roughly a £215m (transfer/loan revenue only) net profit or so

and all that does not include a possible (unlikely atm) summer 2020 Kante sale (which kicks all the numbers up by £100 to £120m or so) nor did I include an Emerson sale (which I only see happening if we buy both Telles and Chilwell, which I would do, as an Emerson sale almost covers Telles' cost (Telles being a vast upgrade over Emerson) and we NEED Chilwell)

 

 

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How many times can the same person copy and paste the same false information again and again and in multiple threads. Almost feels like spamming.

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just to be clear on the numbers I put up

the totals were assuming we sell those listed

BUT, again, many have already been sold as well

some may not be sold, Azpi for one, and Willian is shaky, due to his contractual situation

Hazard's total's included some of his bonuses being met

that is why I gave myself 60m euros (£50m) wiggle room

I only listed done deal sales and then very realistic price points for all the ones not sold off as of yet

some of my prices are millions LESS than what the board is or was demanding (Baka, Alonso, Zappacosta, Baba, Musonda, Bats for instance) but the vast majority of those listed are are either done deals already or what the board has said they will sell for

my maths are correct, there is no outrageous overpricing at all on players not yet sold, and again I did put in a large wiggle room

Double my wiggle room (to £100m, ie 120m euros) and the final figures (and I DID price in the Kovacic buy already as I am only dealing with summer 2019 and forward completed or to come deals) and you still end up with a net sales intake of 544m euros (£465m)

and even if we only see £110m out of Hazard at the end of the day, and get ZERO for Willian and Azpi (obviously the 3 biggest variances above) ever, that still leaves £495m (580m euros)

Those numbers are not fake, they all are documented, and I NEVER claimed they included amortised salary spreadsheets.  Transfer revenues do NOT disappear (some ridiculously have claimed in the past the monies can not be spent on a year over year basis and simply disappear from the books in terms of both accounting and availability, which is a ludicrous proposition especially when we are dealing with rolling multiyear spreadsheets for FFP purposes) The totals simply reflect the end of the day numbers if/when the deals go though, plus the many that already have been done,plus the resultant (when applicable) tallying up of future forward potential bonus payments (mainly Hazard)

If someone tells you we have hundreds of millions less (literally) than my lowest numbers when it comes to infws and outslows in terms of transfer monies, they are flat out lying to you, I cannot cannot be more blunt. Monies (again this is ONLY an accounting of net transfer revenue with loan intakes subtracted from the ONE buy we have had so far starting from summer 2019, which was Kovacic) do NOT disappear from the rolling, area-specific spreadsheets once taken in. If you believe people who say they do, then I pity your financial planning (especially of you go to frauds who claim this tosh) likely outcomes in the real world. These frauds would have you believe (make NO mistake this is exactly what they have claimed) that the monies from the house you inherited and sold in 2017 for £800,000 clear after taxes/fees can no longer be counted amongst your assets as you failed to spend the monies gained within that fiscal year period.

There are many others factors involved in the club's bottom line revenues (salaries, physical plant maintenance, insurance, staff, incomes from tickets, merchandise, image rights, telly rev, cups, the league and Europe, etc etc) I have NEVER once claimed to have an accurate overall bottom line picture, as I do not have access to the books. The club did announce record PROFITS however in their last fiscal year release.

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2018/12/31/chelsea-fc-financial-results-show-record-revenues

the next one should be out soon

 

finally here is the info on Hazard

Bear in mind we do NOT have to convert euros to pounds (hopefully we did so when we received the initial main payment as the GBP was weak then v the euro), as we can simply keep the funds (talking future bonus payments now as the pound has surged since last summer, but likely may crash out in the near to medium term future as the effects and uncertainties of Brexit start to impact yet again) in a euro-based account IF we think that the FOREX arbitrage will play out against us IF we convert to GBP at that time)

I am certain the accountants are going to make the best possible moves in that arena to limit risk and potential revenue haemorrhage.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/eden-hazard/profil/spieler/50202

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Lololol. When will people here actually learning accounting, I mean they don't need to, but atleast the ones who blab on and on and on about it, should really try it. 

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‘It isn’t a statue of Zlatan anymore, it’s a symbol of betrayal and greed’ – How and why the Ibrahimovic divide has flared up again in Sweden

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https://theathletic.com/1530393/2020/01/13/zlatan-statue-malmo-hammarby-sweden-ibrahimovic/

Half-past three, Saturday afternoon in a south Stockholm bar on Folkungagatan — the street of the People’s King. Fans sporting green colours are sipping Kennedy beer while watching Cagliari versus Milan in Serie A. The bar is busy, but the atmosphere is sedate. 

Suddenly there are a few oohs. 

Milan have just hit the post with a header. The screen fills with the face of the player involved. Everyone knows his name, the would-be people’s king. 

In the bar there are knowing looks, quiet smiles. This is Hammarby-land and Hammarby IF is the Stockholm club Zlatan Ibrahimovic stunned Sweden and football by buying into in late November.

That was considerably less predictable than Ibrahimovic hitting a post, even at 38. A few minutes later he scores, the first goal since returning to Italy from LA Galaxy a fortnight ago. Zlatan is back, says his statuesque celebration.

The punters’ murmurs of approval are a little louder now. Yet there is a discernible hesitation. As longtime Hammarby fanzine writer Pernilla Olsson explains, who Ibrahimovic is and what he has done by investing in Hammarby rather than his native Malmo, makes him “this bomb.” 

All of Sweden is nervous, awaiting the fall-out, including Hammarby.

There has, of course, been collateral damage already some 400 miles south in Malmo. There they erected a statue in honour of their hometown hero on October 8th. Ibrahimovic unveiled it and declared to his 6.3m Twitter followers: “We are Zweden!!!”

The capital Z; the people’s king; Ibrahimovic felt like a unifying figure. His contribution to Swedish football and Swedish life over the past two decades has been huge and mostly positive. 

Then, seven weeks later, out of nowhere on his Instagram account, Ibrahimovic posted a new football message. This one was rather more cryptic. It was a hologram of Hammarby’s green and white jersey, which revolved to show his name on the back. A third image, of Hammarby’s crest, then emerged and Sweden went into meltdown. 

“WTF! is what I thought,” says Olsson. “I thought it was a joke. 

“Then we had 24 hours of speculation. Zlatan’s brother, or brother-in-law, is very into e-sports and we thought maybe it was him joining. Then this bomb blew up. 

“I’m a teacher. It was parents-teacher conference day and every parent — the fathers — came in and the first thing they said was: ‘Pernilla, what do you think about Zlatan!’ 

 

snip

 

My bonus inside Stockholm info

'Kennedy beer' is

S:t Eriks KX Speciallager (a collab between him and S:t Eriks brewery here in Stockholm) 

http://www.mynewsdesk.com/se/galatea/pressreleases/s-t-eriks-bryggeri-lanserar-en-oel-med-kennedy-bakircioglu-2845337

 

Kennedy Bakircioglü was a legendary Hammarby player who infamously did this (after scoring a free kick versus IFK Göteborg)

the video is semi taking the piss btw (you have to understand Swedish humour, as they do not ever 'break' the inside joke, BUT the beer thing is 1000000% real, it actually did happen)

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S:t Eriks brewery used to brew this ale below:wub:

(it was a limited edition Belgian Ale)

it was named after me

(just kidding:drunk: although my wifey knows the brew-master (she retired after brewing this, it was her last beer for them) after meeting her at a beerfest with my BIL

she bought me a case for my birthday (it came out a day before my 25th birthday)

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On 12/16/2019 at 9:47 PM, killer1257 said:


 

 


Konate is injured anyway. All other guys are pretty expensive.
BTW, Romagnoli could not handle the crazy dribbling Skills of my boy Boga haha.
Both Sassuolos and Milans defense were pretty awful. That match could have gone 10:10 but stayed 0:0 lol.

I would go for Söyüncü. Seems quite good and PL proven.

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Konate now is not back until March 15th at the earliest

so the only Bundesliga matches he will be available for are

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Only Dortmund is a super tough toss-up,

they should win the other 7 I think (especially if they are going to win the title)

away at Hoffenheim being the 2nd toughest

He would so help versus Dortmund and also in the CL (if they beat Spuds)

but other than that they may not miss him much even if he cannot go at all the rest of the year (just speaking for these games listed)

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2nd leg at Bayern in doubt...
 
I expect it to happen without the fans

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58 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I expect it to happen without the fans

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You might well be right...

4-0 win incoming! 

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