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Ligue Un Discussion Thread

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You are too nice, mate, you want to give chance to everybody, Torres, now Ancelotti... Sacking Ancelotti was spot on. With Ancelotti as manager this season, the present wouldn't have been better than with André, and the future... Well, there wouldn't have had any future with the italian, he would have done purchases à la Benayoun, and we would be in a mess for a long long time.

Torres should at least be giving another year. His first full year it was bad. So was the same for Berba at United.

Now I still think AVB should buy someone like Higuian, or Cavani just in case, but we should wait till next year to see if we can get something out of Torres.

If he has not done nothing good next year then sell him or loan him.

And last I don't think it was that bad with Carlo transfer. Yossi aside a lot of transfer where good.

Every manager has made some bad transfer here and there. AVB recently with Meireles...

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Torres should at least be giving another year. His first full year it was bad. So was the same for Berba at United.

Now I still think AVB should buy someone like Higuian, or Cavani just in case, but we should wait till next year to see if we can get something out of Torres.

If he has not done nothing good next year then sell him or loan him.

And last I don't think it was that bad with Carlo transfer. Yossi aside a lot of transfer where good.

Every manager has made some bad transfer here and there. AVB recently with Meireles...

We aren't in a situation where we can afford to give the Ladyboy another year. If Manu could have done it with Berbaflop, that is because aside him, all the players and the team were good. This isn't the case at Chelsea, we have many positions on the field to improve, whose the striker's one, hence we do not have time to waste with a soon 28 years-old strieker who can't score to save his life. Even if he captures back some form next year, he isn't a long term solution, and we are trying to build something for the long term, thus we shouldn't waste time with someone who could be usefull for maximum two years. Plus we are paying him 150 000 fucking pounds per week, we aren't a charity association, we should rather give this wage to Hazard and Willian (I name these two players since we are strongly linked with them).

All in all, we have to get rid of this Ladyboy, he is a poison.

As for Ancelotti, I am not agree with you. The kind of players he likes doesn't suit the politic of our club. At Milan when Ancelotti came here, they've found themselves with a team full of grandpas. The same would inexorably have happened with us.

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We aren't in a situation where we can afford to give the Ladyboy another year. If Manu could have done it with Berbaflop, that is because aside him, all the players and the team were good. This isn't the case at Chelsea, we have many positions on the field to improve, whose the striker's one, hence we do not have time to waste with a soon 28 years-old strieker who can't score to save his life. Even if he captures back some form next year, he isn't a long term solution, and we are trying to build something for the long term, thus we shouldn't waste time with someone who could be usefull for maximum two years. Plus we are paying him 150 000 fucking pounds per week, we aren't a charity association, we should rather give this wage to Hazard and Willian (I name these two players since we are strongly linked with them).

All in all, we have to get rid of this Ladyboy, he is a poison.

As for Ancelotti, I am not agree with you. The kind of players he likes doesn't suit the politic of our club. At Milan when Ancelotti came here, they've found themselves with a team full of grandpas. The same would inexorably have happened with us.

That is a big statement!

But it is why I said we should still buy a Higuian or Cavani in the summer.

I sense that AVB like Higuian style more. Something similar to a Falcao but with more flair.....

And maybe you are right with Carlo policy. But if the club is doing all the buying as mention by a lot of people or recentr transfer like Lukaku and De Bruyne, why should that matter?

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They just signed Lucas from sao paulo .. Wow they really could win the champions league this season with players like thiago silva and ibrahimovic pastore and lavezzi !

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Good thread.

I wanted to see a thread for this team or the french league, since this is going to be an interesting time.

They got Carlo as coach, some good players and Chelsea ex player like Alex, overall a very intriguing team.

New money coming in to new teams makes it exciting, then instead of watching the same old boring teams dominate every time!

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I think they're being stupid though. I'm not judging their spending, I'm questioning in who they're spending on. They've reinforced their attacking considerably, but now they've got too many foreign spots :lol:

They also don't look assured in their defensive capabilities too, Thiago Silva will go along way to correcting that.

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Safe to say that if Carlo doesn't win the league title at the very least this season, he will be sacked at the end of it.

Tbf though, if he doesn't win the Ligue 1 title with THAT squad, he deserves to be sacked.

Which is one of the reasons I was hoping Malaga would be the club spending money on players. It would make La Liga a lot more tolerable with the Real/Barca monopoly broken up. However, I suppose the positive side to Malaga's destruction is that the Premier League will remain a powerhouse.

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Doubt they come close to winning the CL. It's hard to integrate so many new players so quickly. How will they fit together? Who knows but it will likely take time. Think Man City from two seasons ago. They bought Silva, Balotelli, Ya Ya Toure, Dzeko, Milner, Kolerov, and Boatang. They only won the FA Cup. Even last season, City was clearly the most talented team on paper, they got lucky with virtually no serious injuries, and they still only won the league on goal differential and were knocked out early on from the CL 9And City had a better squad than PSG does). I expect PSG to easily win the French League because there's not a lot of competition there, but in Europe? Anyone can win (as we well know!) but I wouldn't be putting money on it. (They are also going to start out as a #3 or #4 seed so are going to get a tough group)

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They won't win. They were pathetic in the Euro League last season and Zlatan is a known failure in the Champions League. Besides they will have minimal to no chemistry within the team and if they don't offload some players quick they are going to have quite a few unhappy campers.

New money coming in to new teams makes it exciting, then instead of watching the same old boring teams dominate every time!

You have to look on the flipside, PSG may just become that team that everyone is sick of winning all the time. In France, since Lyon's seven year period of domination ended there has been a different champion every season, I don't know about you but I believe the Ligue 1 was domestically (not European wise, they are faltering in that domain) healthier before PSG became P$G. In England Chelsea's cash injection was good for competiton seeing as every year it was Arsenal v Manchester United. But for the last five or so years the Ligue 1 was an oddball, no one could really judge who was going to win it, but with PSG miles ahead in terms of talent, I see a only grim days for every other club in the Ligue 1.

07-08 Lyon

08-09 Bordeaux

09-10 Marseille

10-11 Lille

11-12 Montepellier

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They're not a threat, at least immediately. As TC said, super teams don't always work out as expected, especially not in a short period of time.

I can see them doing a City and troubling the bigger teams 3-4 years down the track, though.

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Tbf though, if he doesn't win the Ligue 1 title with THAT squad, he deserves to be sacked.

Which is one of the reasons I was hoping Malaga would be the club spending money on players. It would make La Liga a lot more tolerable with the Real/Barca monopoly broken up. However, I suppose the positive side to Malaga's destruction is that the Premier League will remain a powerhouse.

How is the PL going to remain a power house if City is suppose to dominate everything in it's path? :rolleyes:

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Will you two give City-United 'DOMINATION FOREVER' a rest?

If Term's right then they'll go to shit in 5 seasons. If Justin is right they'll go to shit in 5 seasons. Both the arguments fail to realise that they, reasonably soon, will be hit with the same problems we have been having since 2010, selling their ageing shite.

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They won't win. They were pathetic in the Euro League last season and Zlatan is a known failure in the Champions League. Besides they will have minimal to no chemistry within the team and if they don't offload some players quick they are going to have quite a few unhappy campers.

You have to look on the flipside, PSG may just become that team that everyone is sick of winning all the time. In France, since Lyon's seven year period of domination ended there has been a different champion every season, I don't know about you but I believe the Ligue 1 was domestically (not European wise, they are faltering in that domain) healthier before PSG became P$G. In England Chelsea's cash injection was good for competiton seeing as every year it was Arsenal v Manchester United. But for the last five or so years the Ligue 1 was an oddball, no one could really judge who was going to win it, but with PSG miles ahead in terms of talent, I see a only grim days for every other club in the Ligue 1.

07-08 Lyon

08-09 Bordeaux

09-10 Marseille

10-11 Lille

11-12 Montepellier

Absolutely. I consider myself to be something of an authority when it comes to French football, because it is the only other league I pay attention to.

For the last three seasons, the Ligue has been absolutely unpredictable. Lyon deservedly won it in 07/08, and whilst they did win it in 09/10, Marseilles should have done the same the previous year. But out of nowhere came Bordeaux. No-one expected that to happen. It was their first title in a decade. Lille, at the time, were playing the best football in the division but if you would have asked me in 2009 if they would go on and win the title a couple of years later, I'd have laughed at you.

There has been an absolute revolution in the French football hierarchies. You only have to look at how distinctly average Marseille and Lyon have become. Montpellier winning the title was the biggest shock of all. But now PSG will dominate. There is no way they will not.

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How is the PL going to remain a power house if City is suppose to dominate everything in it's path? :rolleyes:

City won't dominate with Mancini in charge. Plus the English league is too competitive. Chelsea are re-emerging and United are mental champions; they will always compete. Then you have the next level - the Arsenals, the Liverpools, the Tottenhams. There is no such competition in Spain, hence the Madrid-Barcelona duopoly. In England, there are three - potentially four, as I think Arsenal have a good shot this season if they retain van Persie - sides that can win the league. Hence there will never be domination of the English division.

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City won't dominate with Mancini in charge. Plus the English league is too competitive. Chelsea are re-emerging and United are mental champions; they will always compete. Then you have the next level - the Arsenals, the Liverpools, the Tottenhams. There is no such competition in Spain, hence the Madrid-Barcelona duopoly. In England, there are three - potentially four, as I think Arsenal have a good shot this season if they retain van Persie - sides that can win the league. Hence there will never be domination of the English division.

That is what I always believed.

But the doomsday fanatic over there thinks its the end of us all just cause City won one league tittle.....

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Absolutely. I consider myself to be something of an authority when it comes to French football, because it is the only other league I pay attention to.

For the last three seasons, the Ligue has been absolutely unpredictable. Lyon deservedly won it in 07/08, and whilst they did win it in 09/10, Marseilles should have done the same the previous year. But out of nowhere came Bordeaux. No-one expected that to happen. It was their first title in a decade. Lille, at the time, were playing the best football in the division but if you would have asked me in 2009 if they would go on and win the title a couple of years later, I'd have laughed at you.

There has been an absolute revolution in the French football hierarchies. You only have to look at how distinctly average Marseille and Lyon have become. Montpellier winning the title was the biggest shock of all. But now PSG will dominate. There is no way they will not.

It's kind of upsetting too, because underneath all it's negative publicity the French Ligue was very, very exciting and very insane. What other major league in Europe can lay claim to having it's two best clubs (Lyon & Marseille) having a 5-5 draw? Sure it doesn't have the incredible superstars of England or the mega clubs of Spain or even the history of Italy, but for a while it was crazy entertaining.

Oh well, I can just continue with the Bundesliga. COME ON DORTMUND! WOOT! WOOT! At least they have rules preventing foreign investment.

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City won't dominate with Mancini in charge. Plus the English league is too competitive. Chelsea are re-emerging and United are mental champions; they will always compete. Then you have the next level - the Arsenals, the Liverpools, the Tottenhams. There is no such competition in Spain, hence the Madrid-Barcelona duopoly. In England, there are three - potentially four, as I think Arsenal have a good shot this season if they retain van Persie - sides that can win the league. Hence there will never be domination of the English division.

Yep, Spanish football is predicated on the condition that Barcelona and Real Madrid always receive 130+ million in TV rights and under absolutely no circumstances must a third club earn more than 50 million, which is one of the major factors in how far ahead of the pack they are. The other teams know the Europa League is the only chance they get at a trophy- all the domestic ones will invariably end up in the hands of the big two and that explains why Spanish teams take the EL so seriously and tend to do very well. That kind of scenario lends itself to murky corruption (Operacion Puerto) and domination.

England are nowhere near that and thankfully never will be. Domination like that is just not possible anymore. Even Man United in the PL era have never walked to a title, they've always had at least one rival and they've had to fight their way to the title on many occasions.

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It's kind of upsetting too, because underneath all it's negative publicity the French Ligue was very, very exciting and very insane. What other major league in Europe can lay claim to having it's two best clubs (Lyon & Marseille) having a 5-5 draw? Sure it doesn't have the incredible superstars of England or the mega clubs of Spain or even the history of Italy, but for a while it was crazy entertaining.

Oh well, I can just continue with the Bundesliga. COME ON DORTMUND! WOOT! WOOT! At least they have rules preventing foreign investment.

It's kind of upsetting too, because underneath all it's negative publicity the French Ligue was very, very exciting and very insane. What other major league in Europe can lay claim to having it's two best clubs (Lyon & Marseille) having a 5-5 draw? Sure it doesn't have the incredible superstars of England or the mega clubs of Spain or even the history of Italy, but for a while it was crazy entertaining.

Oh well, I can just continue with the Bundesliga. COME ON DORTMUND! WOOT! WOOT! At least they have rules preventing foreign investment.

Le Championnat is actually a very exciting league. The defensive quality isn't all that great - but teams play far more attractive and expansive football (in general) in Ligue Un than in England or even Germany. Teams like Montpellier, Lille and Nice have a history of playing good, attacking football and that is not something that is likely to change in 100 years. The bigger teams - Lyon, Marseilles, PSG - are a bit more functional in their style of play, especially with Ancelotti in charge of the latter. In fact, believe it or not, there was a commotion last season over Ancelotti making them boring to watch. I hope that isn't the case this season because of the players at their disposal!

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