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Spike

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There are people that sincerely believe that the Japanese are going on a warpath through south-east Asia again.

Worse, they're going to start getting involved conflicts all over the world at the beck and call of the US and start joining "international bombing campaigns" for "peace and freedom" which everyone knows to mean "The US wants more oil and business for their corporations".

Might even be used to stir up old tensions to put pressure on China. So could definitely be the start of something bad for south east Asia.

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It may sound funny but is the truth of this Palestinian movement.

Yup that's the truth of the whole Palestinian movement. Their hatred of Jews goes so deep that for hundreds of years they pretended to coexist with them peacefully (they were still called Palestinian Jews back then) just to lure in millions of Jews from around the world to create a Jewish state in their lands so they would have them all in the same place to make it easier to kill them all.

They are so evil about their hatred of Jews that they forced the Zionists to bomb them and murder them (but mostly women and children) by the thousands just to spread their antisemitism and hatred of Jews around the world.

And there's no way to talk them out of their irrational prejudice. Their hatred knows no ends. Unfortunately, we MUST kill all Palestinians down to the last child to stop their evil. It's the only rational thing to do.

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Worse, they're going to start getting involved conflicts all over the world at the beck and call of the US and start joining "international bombing campaigns" for "peace and freedom" which everyone knows to mean "The US wants more oil and business for their corporations".

Might even be used to stir up old tensions to put pressure on China. So could definitely be the start of something bad for south east Asia.

That is worse than the rape of Nanking??! :D For starters we will have to see how long this legislation is in place, the majority of the population was against this; as it was a purely government decision. The government is out of touch with Japan and has notoriously been so for a long time.

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Are some refugees crazy?!?! Refusing supplies and whatnot because they want to go to a welfare state like Sweden or Germany? I just watched a video of some dickhead throwing huge amounts of bottled water on the traintracks for no reason. If I was in there position I'd be so grateful for any help. Some people (other refugees) looked really mad at the guy, very mad.

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Yup that's the truth of the whole Palestinian movement. Their hatred of Jews goes so deep that for hundreds of years they pretended to coexist with them peacefully (they were still called Palestinian Jews back then) just to lure in millions of Jews from around the world to create a Jewish state in their lands so they would have them all in the same place to make it easier to kill them all.

They are so evil about their hatred of Jews that they forced the Zionists to bomb them and murder them (but mostly women and children) by the thousands just to spread their antisemitism and hatred of Jews around the world.

And there's no way to talk them out of their irrational prejudice. Their hatred knows no ends. Unfortunately, we MUST kill all Palestinians down to the last child to stop their evil. It's the only rational thing to do.

Hahaha I've already had this discussion with you. You fail to convince me that a democratic and free society is 'evil' and some terrorists whose hateful ideology is centered around the murder of innocent and glorifies murder are somehow the 'good guys'.

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Hahaha I've already had this discussion with you. You fail to convince me that a democratic and free society is 'evil' and some terrorists whose hateful ideology is centered around the murder of innocent and glorifies murder are somehow the 'good guys'.

Never even attempted to convince you of that. You're trying too hard to put me in a stereotypical box because you only know to debate the issue through the same rhetoric you have been taught. Any deviation from the usual points and you instantly turn to complete irrationality or diversion tactics.

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That is worse than the rape of Nanking??! :D For starters we will have to see how long this legislation is in place, the majority of the population was against this; as it was a purely government decision. The government is out of touch with Japan and has notoriously been so for a long time.

Not from a humanitarian point of view of course. At least not directly. Corporations sponsored wars are undoubtedly the biggest catastrophe in the world at the moment. Adding a country like Japan and reigniting those wars in East Asia would of course be another huge blow and will only increase the suffering of millions.

Democracy, in its traditional sense, is mostly irrelevant in neo-liberal countries. That is why the Fukushima reactor was restarted despite overwhelming opposition. Same could be applied to the US, to give you examples closer to you, in issues like the war on drugs, mass incarceration, GMOs labeling, offshore oil drilling, standardized school testing, the bail system, the TPP and TTIP...etc. the list is almost endless.

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Not from a humanitarian point of view of course. At least not directly. Corporations sponsored wars are undoubtedly the biggest catastrophe in the world at the moment. Adding a country like Japan and reigniting those wars in East Asia would of course be another huge blow and will only increase the suffering of millions.

Democracy, in its traditional sense, is mostly irrelevant in neo-liberal countries. That is why the Fukushima reactor was restarted despite overwhelming opposition. Same could be applied to the US, to give you examples closer to you, in issues like the war on drugs, mass incarceration, GMOs labeling, offshore oil drilling, standardized school testing, the bail system, the TPP and TTIP...etc. the list is almost endless.

You are right but on a different note: the thing about the Fukushima reactor is that people are fucking ignorant when it comes to nuclear power. I understand your point of reference but you and I both know that the radiation leak from the earthquake and tsunami was about equal to five minutes standing in the midday sun. The catastrophe was handled because that is what the engineers are trained for and the powerplant is built for. Getting nuked in the face by America would definitely have a cultral stigma to anything nuclear related. Not to mention in the west Hollywood nonsense and The Simpsons have done nothing to help nuclear power in the social conscious. Shit, when an entire generation grows up watching a show where every five episodes everyone nearly dies from radiation, you have to expect a stigma to be attached with it.

I really doubt any wars will start in East-Asia. Tensions may rise between China, Japan and Korea but all three have far too much to lose and too little to gain with an prolong armed conflict. It will be tense but as long as Japan has no allies meddling about in East-Asia (I'm looking at you America) they can't do anything. The last I checked Japan can only engage in wars where they have 'allies' already engaged. It means for little but at least Japan can't just roll up to a country like the Philippines and takeover; which it seems a lot of people think will happen.

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You are right but on a different note: the thing about the Fukushima reactor is that people are fucking ignorant when it comes to nuclear power. I understand your point of reference but you and I both know that the radiation leak from the earthquake and tsunami was about equal to five minutes standing in the midday sun. The catastrophe was handled because that is what the engineers are trained for and the powerplant is built for. Getting nuked in the face by America would definitely have a cultral stigma to anything nuclear related. Not to mention in the west Hollywood nonsense and The Simpsons have done nothing to help nuclear power in the social conscious. Shit, when an entire generation grows up watching a show where every five episodes everyone nearly dies from radiation, you have to expect a stigma to be attached with it.

I really doubt any wars will start in East-Asia. Tensions may rise between China, Japan and Korea but all three have far too much to lose and too little to gain with an prolong armed conflict. It will be tense but as long as Japan has no allies meddling about in East-Asia (I'm looking at you America) they can't do anything. The last I checked Japan can only engage in wars where they have 'allies' already engaged. It means for little but at least Japan can't just roll up to a country like the Philippines and takeover; which it seems a lot of people think will happen.

Personally I'm on the fence on Nuclear energy despite probably knowing more about it as an electrical engineer than the average citizen. The advantages are huge and very tempting but the consequences of the risk are too great. I once used to argue for nuclear energy to be considered a clean and 'renewable' (since Uranium is fairly abundant and you need only need small quantities of it) source of power. But I fully understand the concerns. But it also feels very dirty and wrong to be on the side of the "energy lobbies". Anyway, the point was that regardless of how you feel about it, if the majority don't want nuclear reactors then there should not be.

As for East Asia, I'm by no means and expert, but after Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen, you have to feel that the US will either move to direct confrontations with the 'big heads' of the axis of resistance, i.e. Russia, Iran and China or some sorts of political agreements on key issues. We've seen signs of both from the Iran deal and hints of a Russian-American agreement over Syria on one side and the Ukrainian issue and US supported Saudi aggression in Yemen. So when Japan, a US 'ally' (as not to say a US lieutenant as a US official once described the UK) comes up with a decision like this in a time like this you have to be wary because direct or even confrontation with any of Iran, Russia and China will no doubt have disastrous effects world-wide.

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Never even attempted to convince you of that. You're trying too hard to put me in a stereotypical box because you only know to debate the issue through the same rhetoric you have been taught. Any deviation from the usual points and you instantly turn to complete irrationality or diversion tactics.

I turn to irrationality or diversion tactics? Naturally anyone who disagrees with you must turn to that. It's ok you can tell yourself that.

And I dunno if you've heard but "what I've been taught" isn't really a smart thing to say as I dunno if you've noticed but most of the world is on a witch hunt of Israel. It's strange how countries like Iran can BAN women from doing anything without their husband's permission, execute gays etc. and a free republic like Israel has been condemned more by the UN.

Do you seriously think on Israeli TV they share videos of children talking about becoming terrorists and suicide bombing Palestine?

Oh wait..... Israelis don't do that kind of stuff.....

Oh and Israelis actually allow Pro-Palestinian groups to reside in their country because they believe in free speech

Meanwhile Palestinians murder and execute anyone who doesn't agree with their hateful, murderous, neo-Nazi ideology.

No seriously, Palestinians glorify Hitler! Look it up!

That's also why Neo-Nazis are so pro-Palestine!

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I turn to irrationality or diversion tactics? Naturally anyone who disagrees with you must turn to that. It's ok you can tell yourself that.

No really it's mostly just you as I've debated this subject in this very thread with many people including Israelis but it's just you. Here:

Complete irrationality:

I dunno if you've noticed but most of the world is on a witch hunt of Israel.
Meanwhile Palestinians murder and execute anyone who doesn't agree with their hateful, murderous, neo-Nazi ideology.
That's also why Neo-Nazis are so pro-Palestine!

Diversion tactics:

It's strange how countries like Iran can BAN women from doing anything without their husband's permission, execute gays etc. and a free republic like Israel has been condemned more by the UN.
Do you seriously think on Israeli TV they share videos of children talking about becoming terrorists and suicide bombing Palestine?
No seriously, Palestinians glorify Hitler! Look it up!

But thanks for proving my point further..

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No really it's mostly just you as I've debated this subject in this very thread with many people including Israelis but it's just you. Here:

Complete irrationality:

Diversion tactics:

But thanks for proving my point further..

Please explain how I used 'diversion' tactics when I originally shared a YouTube video showing NATIONAL TELEVISION in Palestine glorifying the murder of Jews?

I believe you are the one using 'diversion' tactics as throughout this 'discussion' you've failed to counter any of my points. If anything you're cunningly using the Internet to avoid engaging my points.

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Please explain how I used 'diversion' tactics when I originally shared a YouTube video showing NATIONAL TELEVISION in Palestine glorifying the murder of Jews?

I believe you are the one using 'diversion' tactics.

And randomly throwing in Iran and Hitler pertain to that (or really anything) how?

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And randomly throwing in Iran and Hitler pertain to that (or really anything) how?

No Iran was to prove that garbage you told me that we are indoctrinated to support Israel. Also I added Hitler because I dunno if you know, but

nobody really talks about the fact that Palestinians are neo-Nazi.

And you still haven't responded about whether it's common TV in Israel to show videos of children talking about suicide bombing Palestinians.

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No Iran was to prove that garbage you told me that we are indoctrinated to support Israel. Also I added Hitler because I dunno if you know, but

nobody really talks about the fact that Palestinians are neo-Nazi.

And you still haven't responded about whether it's common TV in Israel to show videos of children talking about suicide bombing Palestinians.

And randomly throwing in Iran and Hitler pertain to that (or really anything) how?

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Oh dear it seems our posh Eton educated Prime Minister has upset a billionaire party donor who gave the Conservatives £8m.

The donor has written a book with lurid allegations including such that Mr Cameron took drugs and fucked a dead pigs head. Tch Tch, our elder and betters....

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:lol: :lol:

Of course with Cameron hogging ( :D ) all the headlines, it has helped cover up the story that a general in the British army has blatantly threatened a coup if Corbyn is elected as prime minister: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-army-could-stage-mutiny-under-corbyn-says-senior-serving-general-10509742.html

Which pretty much sums up one aspect of the role of media in 'democracies'. Always goes like this:

- People: "We like what that guy is saying. We'll go with the less war, more services, housing and educations, please"

- Media: "Nope, can't have that. The military will stage a coup/The terrorists will kill you all/The economy will collapse"

- People: "But isn't that undemocratic? In a democratic system shouldn't we be the ones to choose what direc..."

- Media: "Look over there! That guy is face-fucking a dead pig's head!/Any other 'scandal'...etc."

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