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Tobey Gibson

Ruben Loftus-Cheek

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2 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Terrible, just terrible, this lad is no wonder kid, he is more like a Wonder Woman.

Isn’t Wonder Woman like strong or can fly lol? (Idk never seen or read that stuff) 

The injury took his pace, his touch and confidence. Now all he has left is his big strong body. maybe he can be molded into a defensive midfielder. But surely done on the top level

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3 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Isn’t Wonder Woman like strong or can fly lol? (Idk never seen or read that stuff) 

The injury took his pace, his touch and confidence. Now all he has left is his big strong body. maybe he can be molded into a defensive midfielder. But surely done on the top level

He was like Wonder woman cape, he just flapped in the wind without any relevance.

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Said it in the match thread, it feels like Loftus-Cheek is a system player. If we don't play 4-3-3 and put him in the midfield, there's no place for him in the side. 

Also, I know he only came back from a serious injury last season but how long can we keep using that as an excuse? It's forgivable to an extent if he's not at his best right now but the least he could do is, do the basics properly, show intent and desire. But he doesn't do that. He's a total passenger without the ball.

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21 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Sell him, so unbelievably over rated and lazy

 

His best quality is carrying the ball from deep, but no manager will play him there because he's a liability on D. 

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He was so good under Sarri :( Feel like he needs the right manager and system and he can excel

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5 hours ago, DANILA said:

He was so good under Sarri :( Feel like he needs the right manager and system and he can excel

With Puli and Ziyech back, we will definitely revert to a 4-3-3. And formation and system will get the best out of him. I still have faith that RLC will come good.

Definitely wont judge him off a game where he was played as a 2nd striker whose main purpose was to win aerial balls and knock them down for werner. 

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27 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

With Puli and Ziyech back, we will definitely revert to a 4-3-3. And formation and system will get the best out of him. I still have faith that RLC will come good.

Definitely wont judge him off a game where he was played as a 2nd striker whose main purpose was to win aerial balls and knock them down for werner. 

Am not sure if there's any guarantee we will play 4-3-3 in the long run. Lampard already has a penchant of constantly changing formation. 

He could have easily played 4-3-3 yesterday for example - had the players for it despite some absentees - but chose not to and went with 4-2-3-1 instead.

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47 minutes ago, Jason said:

Am not sure if there's any guarantee we will play 4-3-3 in the long run. Lampard already has a penchant of constantly changing formation. 

He could have easily played 4-3-3 yesterday for example - had the players for it despite some absentees - but chose not to and went with 4-2-3-1 instead.

I think the 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-4 rather might have had to do with having jorgi and alonso on the pitch at the same time. If we played 4-3-3 with Kante pushing up ahead and jorgi having to deal with troussard's pace while alonso against lamptey, we would have been burned. It would have been a case of "did not we learn anything from last season". RLC himself is not that good a defender (as a CM). I think 4-3-3 will be our primary formation, and RLC will come good (and this is based on nothing but faith - bordering on blind faith as he just has not shown anything to support that argument).

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14 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

I think the 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-4 rather might have had to do with having jorgi and alonso on the pitch at the same time. If we played 4-3-3 with Kante pushing up ahead and jorgi having to deal with troussard's pace while alonso against lamptey, we would have been burned. It would have been a case of "did not we learn anything from last season". RLC himself is not that good a defender (as a CM). I think 4-3-3 will be our primary formation, and RLC will come good (and this is based on nothing but faith - bordering on blind faith as he just has not shown anything to support that argument).

If everyone is fit and available, will Loftus-Cheek even be in the starting XI, even if we play 4-3-3? This is not on you but rather making a general point - I know he came back from a serious injury last season but that was some months ago already. At what point do we say "he has to perform now or he can't be in the XI"? I don't think he has done anything whatsoever since he returned to suggest "yeah, he needs to be in the starting XI". Last night's formation may not have helped his cause, for example, but he was totally useless off the ball, barely tracked back, and did zilch when he had the ball. Even Havertz, who is hardly known for his workrate, showed more desire and actually did more to track back. Also starting to wonder that managers must have had (have in Lampard's case) a good reason to constantly shift Loftus-Cheek around and/or not play him in midfield in the past. 

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I was hoping he had sharpened his ice skates but the lad looks totally broken. I was watching him and he was looking round as if to way WTF is going on? Looked like hed been hitting the balloons! Why did he come back out in 2nd half? Just so FL didn't upset him? Maybe he needs upsetting? Or at least getting some home truthes. Like you need to pull yer bloody sox up lad!.

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Loan him out, he aint getting better like this. Was supremely frustrating last night.....imo he is done at top level, he aint 19 anymore, now is the chance to prove yourself.

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2 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Loan him out, he aint getting better like this. Was supremely frustrating last night.....imo he is done at top level, he aint 19 anymore, now is the chance to prove yourself.

No point in loan imo. One of RLC or Barkley was always extra now with Kai. If we get good offer for one of them just sell. We can probably get 35m.

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Would sell him and keep Barkley (never thought Id say that). That's how bad he was the other night. I know its one game but even last season and looking at this squad, he just doesnt fit. Is he a 10? No. He played in a 3 with Sarri and looked good but had Kante and Jorginho doing the other side for him. 

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I'd keep him at least until January just to see where his level really is. Hard to judge it based on Brighton game which was essentially our second pre-season game, nearly everyone was rusty.

That being said, he looked absolutely hopeless (even his touch was gone) so he better roll up his sleeves or else his Chelsea career is as good as over

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40 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

I'd keep him at least until January just to see where his level really is. Hard to judge it based on Brighton game which was essentially our second pre-season game, nearly everyone was rusty.

That being said, he looked absolutely hopeless (even his touch was gone) so he better roll up his sleeves or else his Chelsea career is as good as over

But when do we play him and where? If FL doesnt trust CHO to give him many minutes - who hasnt been total shite last couple times hes played - why would he give RLC time who HAS played shite? Put him in small cup games? 10 mins here n there IF/WHEN we are comfortably winning? Hard one.

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4 hours ago, Unionjack said:

But when do we play him and where? If FL doesnt trust CHO to give him many minutes - who hasnt been total shite last couple times hes played - why would he give RLC time who HAS played shite? Put him in small cup games? 10 mins here n there IF/WHEN we are comfortably winning? Hard one.

Have you had a look at the schedule? It's pretty insane and having a big squad is absolutely necessary this season. I'm expecting a lot of injuries and rotation so RLC will get his chances

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