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I'm not to sure about this whole Leicester will collapse and us and Liverpool finish top 4..we're hardly amazing even if they do! 4 point gap and on level amount of games as it stands

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Not watching but I see the mighty Barcelona, err, sorry, West Brom are getting smoked by Leicester after scoring 5 against us. 🙄

 

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In the midst of us reaching the FA Cup final and Champions League semi finals, has anyone actually noticed that we've only won 3 of our last 8 league games? That's one less than when we won 4 in a row in Tuchel's first 5 league games.

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5 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Not watching but I see the mighty Barcelona, err, sorry, West Brom are getting smoked by Leicester after scoring 5 against us. 🙄

 

You knew it was coming but we did make it so easy for them! Even with 10 men you wouldn't expect such a stupid scoreline from our side

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5 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

You knew it was coming but we did make it so easy for them! Even with 10 men you wouldn't expect such a stupid scoreline from our side

IF we make it to the CL final, we have 10 games left

7 of those ten are against 4 or 5 (depending who wins the citeh/PSG semifinal) of the hottest and/or best 10 or so teams in Europe

2 more are against Arse and Villa (with Grealish back), hardly shit teams

only Fulham is a weak team

brutal

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21 minutes ago, Jason said:

In the midst of us reaching the FA Cup final and Champions League semi finals, has anyone actually noticed that we've only won 3 of our last 8 league games? That's one less than when we won 4 in a row in Tuchel's first 5 league games.

And only one win in last four league games too. Need a sharp turn around in form to stand any chance,  startimg on Saturday.

Its a good job we're still in the Cups, because TT's job would probably be on the line. As we know, not getting the results and boring football isnt something Roman stands for for very long.

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24 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

You knew it was coming but we did make it so easy for them! Even with 10 men you wouldn't expect such a stupid scoreline from our side

True, but at the same time we should give them some credit for playing some high quality football. That was probably as good a performance as I've ever seen from a big Sam team.

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21 minutes ago, Vesper said:

IF we make it to the CL final, we have 10 games left

7 of those ten are against 4 or 5 (depending who wins the citeh/PSG semifinal) of the hottest and/or best 10 or so teams in Europe

2 more are against Arse and Villa (with Grealish back), hardly shit teams

only Fulham is a weak team

brutal

And Fulham can be okay ish..they probably just be playing for pride so hopefully we can play for what we need to.

If we won Tuesday be more confident but its not a case of a huge gap we can be crap and it won't matter. Unfortunately this time no one is pissing off yet lol. 

West ham level.. Leicester 4 above..Liverpool 2 behind and Spurs also 2 but played a game more.

How super fun

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5 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

And Fulham can be okay ish..they probably just be playing for pride so hopefully we can play for what we need to.

If we won Tuesday be more confident but its not a case of a huge gap we can be crap and it won't matter. Unfortunately this time no one is pissing off yet lol. 

West ham level.. Leicester 4 above..Liverpool 2 behind and Spurs also 2 but played a game more.

How super fun

those 5 points dropped v baggies and BHA are just killing my mood now for so long

plus the super league dross

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Leicester's next 3 games are very winnable for the too - H Palace. A Southampton. H Newcastle. Gets tougher after that. Away to Utd then us and finishing at home to Spurs. So by the time we play them it'll be very clear if we're still in with a chance.

 

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10 minutes ago, chippy said:

True, but at the same time we should give them some credit for playing some high quality football. That was probably as good a performance as I've ever seen from a big Sam team.

Definitely! They're not a bad bad bad side just very inconsistent. Taken points of a few top sides this season

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We shouldn’t even be focusing on Leicester, tbh. We need to be more mindful of what’s just behind us. 

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8 hours ago, Jason said:

In the midst of us reaching the FA Cup final and Champions League semi finals, has anyone actually noticed that we've only won 3 of our last 8 league games? That's one less than when we won 4 in a row in Tuchel's first 5 league games.

We've definitely sacrificed team selection in the league a bit. Baffling to be honest

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4 hours ago, Strike said:

We've definitely sacrificed team selection in the league a bit. Baffling to be honest

Totally disagree.

Have you seen our lineups in those games? There might have some complaints here and there but think most were OK with the lineups that were put out in those matches. Those lineups should still be good enough to put away the likes of Southampton, West Brom, Leeds, Brighton etc. The West Brom game was a freak game but otherwise, we had chances to put away Southampton, Leeds, Brighton and even Man United but didn't take them.

On top of that, we also have had to play a game every 3-4 days. It's almost impossible to play the same XI in every game even if we want some consistency. It also hasn't helped that the players have generally been blowing hot and cold with their form. 

And mind you, since Tuchel took over, only Man City have picked up more points than us and they have played 2 games more. This goes back to the point previously made where we have left ourselves with so little room for error after botching those games against top half teams under Lampard. 

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5 hours ago, Jason said:

Totally disagree.

Have you seen our lineups in those games? There might have some complaints here and there but think most were OK with the lineups that were put out in those matches. Those lineups should still be good enough to put away the likes of Southampton, West Brom, Leeds, Brighton etc. The West Brom game was a freak game but otherwise, we had chances to put away Southampton, Leeds, Brighton and even Man United but didn't take them.

On top of that, we also have had to play a game every 3-4 days. It's almost impossible to play the same XI in every game even if we want some consistency. It also hasn't helped that the players have generally been blowing hot and cold with their form. 

And mind you, since Tuchel took over, only Man City have picked up more points than us and they have played 2 games more. This goes back to the point previously made where we have left ourselves with so little room for error after botching those games against top half teams under Lampard. 

Against Leeds and Brighton the team was hanging on, WBA was a no show. The rotation in defence has been on-point more or less but the attacking trio in games seems to be a game of roulette so far and that has contributed to the lack of goals and dropped points in the league.

 

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5 minutes ago, Strike said:

Against Leeds and Brighton the team was hanging on, WBA was a no show. The rotation in defence has been on-point more or less but the attacking trio in games seems to be a game of roulette so far and that has contributed to the lack of goals and dropped points in the league.

 

Lack of goals is a collective issue.

From the front three having no understanding to the central midfielders and wing backs failing to penetrate through the middle or finding the open run. 

 

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