11. Noni Madueke

[Mário César 975]

so what about him? I think he is improving recently

[Stats 7,056]

On 28/12/2023 at 12:34, lucio said:

He’s got that dawg in him. Only 21 , could cause damage down the right with gusto potentially 

Hopefully we see that against Forest now Gusto is back and Madueke has got a deserved run in the team.

 

On 28/12/2023 at 11:25, nyikolajevics said:

You are right:

 

Kudos, Noni! Good luck on your loan.

You have egg on your face now.... LOL

On 22/12/2023 at 15:27, nyikolajevics said:

Really? I think everybody who seen him 2-3 times can tell why he isn’t playing for Chelsea. Simply not good enough, I cannot even see what he is supposed to be good at. He has some skills and finishing, but definetly nothing execptional, and his overall work / defending is way below the standards, even nowadays. 
 

Palmer, Colwill or Caicedo are also not perfect, but at least with them one can see where we are going, and they really need minutes to mature up. Madueke or Broja, you can see even their sight on the field or passing / ball handling is weak, just not this level.

What is your opinion on him now?

[lucio 5,418]

He’s decent , I don’t think he’ll be more than a squad option in a team chasing the big trophies but he’s got hustle and way more useful than mudryk on the other flank , still question marks over attitude.

hutchinson has a higher ceiling imo tho 

[Thor 2,392]

He has the perfect winger build for the PL. 

He is strong and fast - and shifty. Obviously a little one footed, but he just needs to read the game better and keep his head up with the dribble and he can be extremely effective for us moving forward. The pass to Jackson was an easy one, so he needs to find the slightly tougher passes from reading the game. 

Big potential - but yeah - Poch needs to keep drilling in him the value of moving the ball quickly, not holding it, and continue moving off the ball to create great chances like last night. 

[Stats 7,056]

8 hours ago, Thor said:

He has the perfect winger build for the PL. 

He is strong and fast - and shifty. Obviously a little one footed, but he just needs to read the game better and keep his head up with the dribble and he can be extremely effective for us moving forward. The pass to Jackson was an easy one, so he needs to find the slightly tougher passes from reading the game. 

Big potential - but yeah - Poch needs to keep drilling in him the value of moving the ball quickly, not holding it, and continue moving off the ball to create great chances like last night. 

A lot of the top wingers are very one footed. Look at Robben and Saka for eg. You always knew what Robbem would do but he was just too difficult to contain. Saka is similar too but he is too difficult to contain.

Madueke has a very similar style. If he continues to work on his productivity in final third, he will be a really good player. Part of that has to become from his own work and willingness and part of that has to come from the club trusting him and giving him that game time, which he is regularly getting now.

 

[DH1988 1,273]

Seems to have matured in the last few months, going from the club straight after a game and trying to nab penalties to giving level headed mature interviews and mentions the team effort in every other sentence whilst putting in performances, it's down to him.

[nyikolajevics 2,576]

19 minutes ago, Stats said:

You have egg on your face now.... LOL

What is your opinion on him now?

 

Haha, you savage!

To my defense, I can say I commented this on the 23rd of Dec, Noni failed to score or assist in the PL till 27th and pretty much had no promising contribution.

He got his shit together, but still I feel he is very raw and I don't really see him being part of a system, more like someone you send to the filed and does whatever he wants.

Watching him more during spring, his skills and shots are good, but Yesterday was his first really good game at Chelsea. Until Yesterday, he just had moments.

But, I was obviously not right with that comment - egg on my face if you like 😄

 

[King Kante 1,476]

11 hours ago, Thor said:

He has the perfect winger build for the PL. 

He is strong and fast - and shifty. Obviously a little one footed, but he just needs to read the game better and keep his head up with the dribble and he can be extremely effective for us moving forward. The pass to Jackson was an easy one, so he needs to find the slightly tougher passes from reading the game. 

Big potential - but yeah - Poch needs to keep drilling in him the value of moving the ball quickly, not holding it, and continue moving off the ball to create great chances like last night. 

For sure he needs to do this, however equally we also need wingers that can contribute defensively. For me, Noni is the player to do that with his relative strength, desire to win the ball and the fact he has to play with Palmer who wants to play the free role. The value of moving the ball quickly is important for any player so improvement their is important as we don't want him to fall into the Willian/Sterling trap as he is never going to but Hazard with his dribbling. However, I am not so worried about his off the ball movement atm, as he is the one front the front three covering the most ground to help out defensively. 

For me, Noni is playing as a very important squad player atm. He isn't the go to man like Palmer, however he is doing a lot of the donkey work on the flank in order to allow Palmer a free role, help out the RB when they get isolated and bring the ball out from the back to transition from defence to counter. 

[Mário César 975]

much better than mudryk, tbh

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

30 minutes ago, Mário César said:

much better than mudryk, tbh

I'm not sure about that, I remember when mudryk came on against Liverpool I believe and his first touch and dribbling were excellent, mudryk has no confidence ATM and poch keeps playing him and you can see game by game he's getting better.

[lucio 5,418]

10 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I'm not sure about that, I remember when mudryk came on against Liverpool I believe and his first touch and dribbling were excellent, mudryk has no confidence ATM and poch keeps playing him and you can see game by game he's getting better.

Watch a compilation of his debut It’s littered with heavy / poor touches. He just outpaced an ancient James Milner a few times 

[Fulham Broadway 16,848]

He will, and should be, one of the first on the team sheet. Nailed on.

[TheHulk 1,855]

Still not convinced by him but fair play to him he stepped up in the last few weeks and in this form has a place in this squad. Think Cole playing so good has put a spark on a few others to raise the bar as well.

Edited May 6 by TheHulk

[Clockwork 1,794]

I think he is improving, but i also think that Palmer overloading on the right also helps.

 

[King Kante 1,476]

5 hours ago, TheHulk said:

Still not convinced by him but fair play to him he stepped up in the last few weeks and in this form has a place in this squad. Think Cole playing so good has put a spark on a few others to raise the bar as well.

 

3 hours ago, Clockwork said:

I think he is improving, but i also think that Palmer overloading on the right also helps.

 

It is interesting you both say this. I think there is a correlation between Cole going goal crazy and Noni being in the team. Noni essentially does the work Palmer doesn't want to do/allows Palmer to flourish. It kind of reminds me of the 80's/90's where there would always be two CF's playing - one doing the donkey work and the other taking the glory. 

That is not to take away from Palmer, he gets the luxury of being the 'luxury' player because he is clinical/so technical, however equally he needs someone like Noni to do the bitch work to make it work.

[Mhsc 876]

Noni is a good example of what the directors/owners have been aiming for all along I guess, lad has only just turned 22 in March and we picked him up for £30m on £50k a week on a massively long contract. We now hold all the cards on a very promising young lad who a lot of PL clubs will be happy to take off of us if we want to cash in on him one day, in the mean time he is at minimum a very good squad option. If he bangs and becomes a guaranteed starter we can renew his contract on more money and if he is in and out of the team with little runs of form we can keep him on his current contract before selling him when he is 24-25 for more than we paid for him, having kept his wages at a number that is very appetising to literally any PL club.

When the results aren't coming in and the players aren't performing, "the plan" is quite frustrating, but when players like Noni start to perform and the results start to come, thinking about how old these guys are and how long we can enjoy them playing for Chelsea and watching their journey is really quite exciting.

[King Kante 1,476]

2 minutes ago, Mhsc said:

Noni is a good example of what the directors/owners have been aiming for all along I guess, lad has only just turned 22 in March and we picked him up for £30m on £50k a week on a massively long contract. We now hold all the cards on a very promising young lad who a lot of PL clubs will be happy to take off of us if we want to cash in on him one day, in the mean time he is at minimum a very good squad option. If he bangs and becomes a guaranteed starter we can renew his contract on more money and if he is in and out of the team with little runs of form we can keep him on his current contract before selling him when he is 24-25 for more than we paid for him, having kept his wages at a number that is very appetising to literally any PL club.

When the results aren't coming in and the players aren't performing, "the plan" is quite frustrating, but when players like Noni start to perform and the results start to come, thinking about how old these guys are and how long we can enjoy them playing for Chelsea and watching their journey is really quite exciting.

I agree. The process makes sense when you see Noni's progression this season. However, to be fair you could probably add Gusto and Jackson to that list. Although I know Jackson divides option, I am so impressed with the development of his hold up play this season which is about 10x better than it was in August.

Honestly - I know I am getting off topic here - but I feel he (Jackson) is a bit of an Andy Cole player where he seems to miss everything then becomes incredibly effective, even if you cannot tell exactly why he is so effective. This is also coming from someone who said he was a new 'Kalou' in the Summer. 

[Mhsc 876]

12 hours ago, King Kante said:

I agree. The process makes sense when you see Noni's progression this season. However, to be fair you could probably add Gusto and Jackson to that list. Although I know Jackson divides option, I am so impressed with the development of his hold up play this season which is about 10x better than it was in August.

Honestly - I know I am getting off topic here - but I feel he (Jackson) is a bit of an Andy Cole player where he seems to miss everything then becomes incredibly effective, even if you cannot tell exactly why he is so effective. This is also coming from someone who said he was a new 'Kalou' in the Summer. 

Yeah it was just Noni that made me think of it but I agree, Gusto and Jackson have really developed nicely since they arrived. All three contracts in range £45k-£65k. Three great signings for the project.