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20 hours ago, Vesper said:

the Dutch are massive chokers too, bigger than England overall, 10 Semis/finals, lost all but the '88 Euros, including 3 WC finals

Portugal are bad chokers as well, other than the 2016 Euros, they lost all of the other 6 semis/finals they made it to

 

i wouldn’t call Portugal chokers, in 2004 we choked no doubt, i can also add the 2002 and 2014 world cup group stage exits, but the other times we just faced better teams in the semis and eventual tournament winners, France in 2000(we lost to golden goal), Spain in 2012 (we lost in pens), France in 2006(they lost to italy), England in 1966. For a small country we aren’t doing so bad compared to the big guns, we can consider ourselves unlucky not to have done more, but football is like this.

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Hilarious how its called 'social media'  -most I've seen is anti-social media

Oh well at least we can all be proud to support the best English club on the best English website run by that great Englishman James 😜

And don't miss out Belgium, with the talent they've got and they always choke😲

47 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

i wouldn’t call Portugal chokers, in 2004 we choked no doubt, i can also add the 2002 and 2014 world cup group stage exits, but the other times we just faced better teams in the semis and eventual tournament winners, France in 2000(we lost to golden goal), Spain in 2012 (we lost in pens), France in 2006(they lost to italy), England in 1966. For a small country we aren’t doing so bad compared to the big guns, we can consider ourselves unlucky not to have done more, but football is like this.

if it is any consolation, I rate England bigger chokers than Portugal

nobody can touch the Dutch though

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, bigbluewillie said:

And don't miss out Belgium, with the talent they've got and they always choke😲

I rate them as massive underperformers, probably the biggest of the past 10 years or so

they rarely get into semis and finals over the decades, which I was using (losing consistently at that level) as a criteria for choking

they have an abysmal record at the Euros post 1980

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David Squires on … England’s Euro 2020 final defeat against Italy

Our cartoonist finds some positives amid the fallout from the final at Wembley that inevitably ended in heartbreak for England

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2021/jul/13/david-squires-on-england-euro-2020-final-defeat-against-italy

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On 08/07/2021 at 00:06, NikkiCFC said:

MF battle: Jorginho, Barella, Verratti vs Rice, Phillips, Mount.

I think Italy is like light years ahead in this area. No match there. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

This is comedy video I shared for entertainment purpose. Dont know why you shared these? What do you want me to say? Are there a lot of racist people in Serbia? Yes. Do you want to compare? This is not a competition lol

Rose was also racially abused here when played for England U21 years ago.

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1 minute ago, NikkiCFC said:

This is comedy video I shared for entertainment purpose. Dont know why you shared these? What do you want me to say? Are there a lot of racist people in Serbia? Yes. Do you want to compare? This is not a competition lol

Rose was also racially abused here when played for England U21 years ago.

You seem to have constant digs at England -but support an English team, on an English forum, with an English owner.  Bit ironic really

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1 minute ago, Fulham Broadway said:

You seem to have constant digs at England -but support an English team, on an English forum, with an English owner.  Bit ironic really

I never had any digs at England. This is your impression. Some people are annoyed I supported Italy this tournament it seems.

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1 minute ago, NikkiCFC said:

I never had any digs at England

Now I know youre taking the piss. If you really dont think you did look back through your posts.

There arent many England fans on this forum , and I for one dont get that nationalistic over football but constant English bashing coming from a Serb is laughable. There must be an Italian Chelsea forum you'd feel more at home on.

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7 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Now I know youre taking the piss. If you really dont think you did look back through your posts.

There arent many England fans on this forum , and I for one dont get that nationalistic over football but constant English bashing coming from a Serb is laughable. There must be an Italian Chelsea forum you'd feel more at home on.

I am pacifist bro. I am the last person who should be in this conversation. Nations dont mean much to me... For example I support Federer not Djokovic. Just like I supported England NT 10-15 years ago. But Italians were most cool for me now. For example, this last video I shared is from British comedian I follow for a long time, because guess what, I am big fan of British culture. I think someone shared him here before. I travelled to different country to see Rolling Stones. For me there are only two types of people good and bad. For video I shared, it may seem like a dig to you, and I am sorry if you feel that way but you could easily shared that video, would that mean you are taking dig to UK? It is just for a good laugh, I also make fun of idiots like that if they do something like that here or elsewhere....  Never for a second I corelate them to all English people... But this is trending topic now...

I hate even being part of any confrontational talk... So I will stop here...

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1 minute ago, NikkiCFC said:

I am pacifist bro. I am the last person who should be in this conversation. Nations dont mean much to me... For example I support Federer not Djokovic. Just like I supported England NT 10-15 years ago. But Italians were most cool for me now. For example, this last video I shared is from British comedian I follow for a long time, because guess what, I am big fan of British culture. I think someone shared him here before. I travelled to different country to see Rolling Stones. For me there are only two types of people good and bad. For video I shared, it may seem like a dig to you, and I am sorry if you feel that way but you could easily shared that video, would that mean you are taking dig to UK? It is just for a good laugh, I also make fun of idiots like that if they do something like that here or elsewhere....  Never for a second I corelate them to all English people... But this is trending topic now...

I hate even being part of any confrontational talk... So I will stop here...

Ok. but just to say, you have to imagine the response on a Serbian Club website had Serbia just lost a Euro Final by penalties, to a foreign poster posting derogatory posts about the Serbian nation/team. Lets leave it there

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15 hours ago, Jas said:

Yes, anyone can miss a penalty but given Sancho and Saka are still young and had never been in such high-pressure situation before, they should have never been put in such situation, especially in Saka’s case. We know pressure can mess with players’ mind, probably even more so with the younger ones. So, why didn’t Southgate put the more experienced players at the very least among the first five takers like Grealish, Sterling or even Shaw? Instead, Sancho and Saka will have in the back of their mind that they let their country down and the worst of part is, they gotta see/take racial abuse from fucking idiots. 

Chances are though, if it went past the first 5 they’d have had to taken one anyway so either way if they weren’t strong penalty takers or couldn’t deal with the pressure, why did he put them on in the first place? He said they were strong in training so obviously why he picked them. Cant fault him for that if they were the stronger takers. 

And again, they weren’t necessarily bad penalties. Just unfortunate they were up against a very good GK in Donnarumma who has an alright record in saving penalties, saving 14 already in his career at senior level excluding penalty shootouts. Its definitely sometimes as much luck as it is preparation, ie Rashford hitting the post swinging the momentum for Italy was probably as unlucky as it comes too all things considering. 

The Italian takers were all much more experienced penalty takers for club and country too. Berardis taken 40, Belottis taken 35, Jorginhos taken 33 and even Bernardeschis taken 8. Bonucci was the only one who wasn’t but he also took a penalty at Euro 2016 v Germany.

For England from their takers, Kanes taken 50, Rashford 14 and Sancho 3. Saka and Maguire 0. Sterling has only taken 5 and Shaw has probably taken 0 so a lot more less recognised penalty takers. Grealish has only taken 1 penalty his whole career so the talk of Grealish taking one is baffling as if he’s a recognised/experienced penalty taker or remotely experienced in big games. Being a experienced players doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll deal with the pressure better.

(https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/data-italy-far-more-experienced-at-taking-penalties-than-england-2021-7%3Famp)

And More interesting break down of the penalty shootouts England have been involved in at Euros and WC’s over the years. Shows Sterling, Maguire and Sancho took in Nations League. But Sterling didn’t v Columbia in 2018 WC. One obviously a lot less pressure than the other so make of it what you will

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/england-lose-penalty-kick-shootout-list-updated-pk-losses/1t6kaw0b5iytm197iwvvxn8d97


 

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What's interesting none of these Italian players would make it to ultimate 11 for Azzurri. Chiellini and Bonucci are great but they are not Maldini or Nesta. 

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