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  1. 1. Who is your Man of the Match?

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    • Christensen
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    • Chilwell
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    • Mount
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    • Ziyech
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    • Giroud
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    • James (sub)
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    • Pulisic (sub)
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it was about this   Ole claims that all the Chels sites went bonkers (as we ALL should have had) on this not being called a pen and that Lampard and Klopp Klopp said, (along with

Sure did bro, but they swept that one under the carpet, everything for the scum. Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. Im glad many fans have made meme's of them cunts, crying girls.

Lol looking at the 'penalty incident' again. The VAR ref from Manchester wanted it and the pitch ref said no.  Gary Neville on Sky also was annoyed because a penalty wasnt given to Yernited for G

Yaaa know what it's about but as if he would sit and reads random articles..and the opportunity might never have come up to award a penalty..and the whole the ref said this to Harry crap..what's that about. Whole thing is bizzare 

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Our record against Solskjaer's United...

L 0-2 (FA Cup)
D 1-1 (PL)
L 0-4 (PL)
L 1-2 (Carabao Cup)
L 0-2 (PL)
W 3-1 (FA Cup)
D 0-0 (PL)
D 0-0 (PL)

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As bad as Conte's run of results against Wenger's Arsenal!

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Even the German sky commentator pointed out that Greenwood directed the ball with his hand onto CHO's hand from where it sprung back to Greenwoods arm again. if attackers are now allowed to use their arms then fine, just call it handball

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1 minute ago, Jason said:

Our record against Solskjaer's United...

L 0-2 (FA Cup)
D 1-1 (PL)
L 1-4 (PL)
L 1-2 (Carabao Cup)
L 0-2 (PL)
W 3-1 (FA Cup)
D 0-0 (PL)
D 0-0 (PL)

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As bad as Conte's run of results against Wenger's Arsenal!

Shitey shite shite..can he be fired then we might have a chance 

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7 minutes ago, Patrick Bamford said:

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IIRC, we once fucked up a 4 v 1 counter at Man City a few years ago. 

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1 hour ago, Patrick Bamford said:

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This was Girouds fault. Absolutely unacceptable the pass he played in this situation. Its asif he has zero football intelligence except shooting.

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

We can argue all day and will likely never agree on this but I'll just say this, since we're talking about a conventional LB being asked to play in a slightly unfamiliar role of a LWB, maybe some slack should be given especially when said player has only played 1 game here and 1 game there? Even Tuchel has pointed this out and I don't think Chilwell has been a complete disaster in the LWB role either.

If Tuchel wanted to rest Alonso, why didn't he just do it against Southampton last weekend? Or given we have a decent amount of rest days between Atletico and United (4) and United and Liverpool (3) games, why didn't Tuchel just play him today and say rest him against Everton?

I didn't say I expected more from Kante with his passing apart from just being more careful with it. We had no real control in the first half because United decided to press us and they disrupted us well. Jorginho won't have made a difference considering he's bad when under pressure. Getting pressed and losing control of games have been a long standing problem with us, even when we had Fabregas in the team. We don't have a team filled with players who are comfortable on the ball when under pressure.

Then what's your thinking behind Tuchel not playing Jorginho today then?

Atletico only mostly pressed well in the first 10 minutes or so but apart from that, they were mostly content to sit back and defend with the 6-3-1 shape. Kante came on after Giroud scored to help manage Atletico's attacks.

Kante only just came back from injury during that Spurs game period and hence why he didn't start. Jorginho-Kovacic worked well in that game's first half because Spurs were just so passive and sat off us. But when they decided to press high up in the second half, we lost control of the game. 

Thats a poor excuse really. When its roles reversed and Alonso has filled in as a LB in a flat 4 despite being a wingback under Frank particularly, it wouldn’t be mentioned or your whole giving people slack thing either it seems to be very selective when its players people prefer over others. 

Also if Alonso was on instead of Chilwell and played like Chilwell did today, this thread would probably be totally different (not even debatable as there seems to be a massive percentage of users who are very selective in their criticism on here for other players because they “dont like them” or “think they should be replaced” yet if other people in the same positions play not well, its not mentioned. Which is precisely why I think if it were Alonso who played like this today, it would be a very different thread).... so thats the last I am gonna say about it now. 

I agree the team do crumble under pressure at times but someone like Jorginho who is always making himself available and is confident to take the ball under pressure helps that. Hes always showing for it, or telling people where to play it. Love him or loathe him, in possession he is a necessity at times. As is Kovacic, who can also dribble out of a press. 

I am surprised Tuchel didn’t play Jorginho, we have played better football with Frank and Tuchel having Jorginho, Kovacic and Mount in the starting 11. I just hope that Tuchel isnt going to go around the way Frank did by shoehorning Kante in instead of Kovacic, Jorginho or Mount at times as we seem to handle the ball better when those 3 all play. Like playing him v Southampton was a mistake. I understand maybe he was worried about United’s transitions but again if we are going to impose ourselves on the game and dictate possession, be it v a Man United or a Stoke City or whoever, Jorginho will be key until we find another player who can do the role better and maybe offer more physically.

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3 hours ago, Jason said:

Our record against Solskjaer's United...

L 0-2 (FA Cup)
D 1-1 (PL)
L 1-4 (PL)
L 1-2 (Carabao Cup)
L 0-2 (PL)
W 3-1 (FA Cup)
D 0-0 (PL)
D 0-0 (PL)

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As bad as Conte's run of results against Wenger's Arsenal!

Or our general results against Kenny Dalglish's Liverpool.

We have bogey teams and bogey managers.

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1 hour ago, Patrick Bamford said:

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This was Girouds fault. Absolutely unacceptable the pass he played in this situation. Its asif he has zero football intelligence except shooting.

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6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Thats a poor excuse really. When its roles reversed and Alonso has filled in as a LB in a flat 4 despite being a wingback under Frank particularly, it wouldn’t be mentioned or your whole giving people slack thing either it seems to be very selective when its players people prefer over others.

How is it selective when by the time Lampard came in, Alonso had played in a back 4 for an entire season? How is it selective when selected as a LB under Lampard, Alonso was consistently dropping clangers? If I'm being selective, it's because there's already a big sample size of Alonso playing as a LB in a back 4 compared to Chilwell playing as a LWB in a back 3 now at the club.

6 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I agree the team do crumble under pressure at times but someone like Jorginho who is always making himself available and is confident to take the ball under pressure helps that. Hes always showing for it, or telling people where to play it. Love him or loathe him, in possession he is a necessity at times. As is Kovacic, who can also dribble out of a press. 

I am surprised Tuchel didn’t play Jorginho, we have played better football with Frank and Tuchel having Jorginho, Kovacic and Mount in the starting 11. I just hope that Tuchel isnt going to go around the way Frank did by shoehorning Kante in instead of Kovacic, Jorginho or Mount at times as we seem to handle the ball better when those 3 all play. Like playing him v Southampton was a mistake. I understand maybe he was worried about United’s transitions but again if we are going to impose ourselves on the game and dictate possession, be it v a Man United or a Stoke City or whoever, Jorginho will be key until we find another player who can do the role better and maybe offer more physically.

That's very debatable to say the least.

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Look at the uproar they have created like the little girls that they are, it came off Greenwoods arm first ffs. The first manager in history who used VAR as his main tactic. Ole the trophy dodger!

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46 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Look at the uproar they have created like the little girls that they are, it came off Greenwoods arm first ffs. The first manager in history who used VAR as his main tactic. Ole the trophy dodger!

Didn't Maguire kick out at Batshuayi and RKO Azpilicueta in recent games. Hypocrites

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7 minutes ago, Strike said:

Didn't Maguire kick out at Batshuayi and RKO Azpilicueta in recent games. Hypocrites

Yup, there seemed to be less furore about those incidents than yesterday's penalty incident...because Man United were the victims. What a surprise! 

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Kante-Kovacic axis perfect for snuffing out Chelsea’s dangerous opponents

https://theathletic.com/2417398/2021/03/01/kante-kovacic-axis-perfect-for-snuffing-out-chelseas-dangerous-opponents/

For a frantic few seconds in the 90th minute of a match that had felt destined to end goalless for the best part of an hour, the door blew wide open for Manchester United to hand Thomas Tuchel his first defeat as Chelsea head coach.

Reece James’ deep free kick overran a crowded United penalty area and was gathered up by Aaron Wan-Bissaka, who slipped it infield to Fred. As he did so, Marcus Rashford, Daniel James and Scott McTominay turned on the turbo boosters one final time to join substitute Anthony Martial in racing upfield. One incisive pass later, Chelsea were faced with a nightmare transition attack from arguably the most dangerous counter-attacking team in the Premier League…

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… until N’Golo Kante shut the door, flicking McTominay’s low cross away from Martial, behind Rashford and James and out of Chelsea’s penalty area to safety. Rather than a dramatic late winner for United, it became just the latest addition to a unique career showreel of potentially decisive moments that never actually happened because of his presence.

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Kante looked like Kante again on Sunday, restored to the “double six” role that saw him scale Premier League-winning heights in back-to-back seasons with Leicester City and Chelsea. He led his team in tackles (seven) and interceptions (four), playing a key role in limiting United to less than a handful of good counter-attacking opportunities at Stamford Bridge. In partnership with Mateo Kovacic, he also provided the foundation for Tuchel’s side to dominate possession against opponents determined to disrupt their passing rhythm.

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Kante touch map vs Man Utd

He might not have admitted so afterwards, but Tuchel was clearly surprised by the aggression of United’s pressing. Had he anticipated their desire to push so high up the pitch in a bid to force Chelsea mistakes close to their own goal, there is no way that he would have left Timo Werner and Christian Pulisic on the bench in favour of an attack totally devoid of speed or vertical running. In the event, United’s high defensive line made Olivier Giroud isolated and virtually redundant for long spells, while Hakim Ziyech and Mason Mount had to make do with more compressed pockets of space.

United’s pressing succeeded in throwing Chelsea out of their normal game; in the first half they had a mere 50.7 per cent of possession, which would have been comfortably their lowest share in any of Tuchel’s seven Premier League matches in charge. The main reason the visitors’ unexpected strategy didn’t cause more damage was the effectiveness of Kante, working in tandem with the excellent Mateo Kovacic, at maintaining midfield control under severe pressure and stifling the vast majority of opposition attacks at source.

Before it was brought back by Tuchel against Southampton, the Kante-Kovacic central midfield pairing hadn’t been seen since Chelsea’s disastrous first half against West Brom at The Hawthorns in September. Yet from the opening minutes against United there were signs of an improved understanding between the two men, primarily in terms of their positioning within the team’s broader tactical structure. They were almost always in close enough proximity to support one another in winning the ball and using it to get Chelsea on the front foot.

Here, as Andreas Christensen shapes to dink the ball out to Callum Hudson-Odoi from inside his own six-yard box, Kovacic and Kante are next to each other and primed to help the team play around United’s press:

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Kovacic receives the ball from Hudson-Odoi, draws in Bruno Fernandes and then plays it to Kante…

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… who then slips a pass beyond Fred into the stride of Hakim Ziyech, ready to lead a Chelsea counter-attack:

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In the second half Chelsea’s share of possession went up to 63.3 per cent. That was partly due to the intensity of United’s press dropping off a little, but it was also because Tuchel’s side did a better job of winning and keeping the ball higher up the pitch. Once again, Kante and Kovacic worked well together to make this possible.

Here, Kovacic opts to go to ground to try to win the ball from Rashford, while Kante stands poised for the second ball:

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It bounces loose to McTominay who tries to play it forward first time, but Kante pounces upon it and gets Chelsea on the front foot again with a progressive pass out to the left flank:

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Late in the game, Kovacic again presses to win the ball, this time from James. He cushions it back to McTominay, who looks to move it quickly forward to the feet of Martial:

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Kante anticipates the pass and leaves Fernandes to go and cut it out, ending a United counter before it has a chance to gain momentum:

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Kovacic has an excellent understanding with Jorginho too, and Tuchel has built most of Chelsea’s early performances — including the signature win over Atletico Madrid — around their passing combinations and possession instincts. That decision has sat rather awkwardly with his repeated gushing praise of Kante in public, describing the France international as a world-class water-carrier and insisting that he has wanted to coach him for years.

Perhaps we will see Tuchel start all three at some stage but, as long as he remains committed to the “double six”, he will face a difficult selection decision that goes to the heart of this team’s identity.

It seems obvious that Kante-Kovacic has more to offer Chelsea defensively, purely by virtue of having Kante in it. In the first 10 minutes against United, he helped stifle this hugely promising counter-attack…

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… by slowing down Rashford, denying him a clear path to goal and ultimately forcing him to attempt a difficult pass through for Mason Greenwood that Ben Chilwell intercepts:

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In the second half he had a similar effect without ever touching the ball, confronting Fernandes on the halfway line and compelling him to hit an early pass towards Rashford that didn’t find its target:

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Equally, the Jorginho-Kovacic midfield axis is probably a little more useful when it comes to meeting Tuchel’s most urgent need. Chelsea are less than thrilling to watch right now because they have control without much in the way of creation. There is plenty of cause to be optimistic that this problem could be solved with a little more collective chemistry and training time, both of which have been in desperately short supply during this unique season.

Until then, Tuchel will have to be content with the control he has brought to this Chelsea team — and in the Kante-Kovacic midfield pairing, he appears to have found another option to help tame more dangerous opponents.

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1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

Look at the uproar they have created like the little girls that they are, it came off Greenwoods arm first ffs. The first manager in history who used VAR as his main tactic. Ole the trophy dodger!

the nerve of those cunts, never a penalty, deluded twats.

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Last 9 games (all under Tuchel) - 10 goals in 9 games

Last 9 games under Lampard - 15 goals in 9 games, including the 7 scored against Morecambe and Luton

If we take the FA Cup games (Morecambe, Luton, Barnsley) games out, then it's...

9 goals in 8 games under Tuchel

8 goals in last 7 games under Lampard

If only league games are considered...

8 goals in 7 games under Tuchel

8 goals in last 7 games under Lampard

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