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Gotta say, when Tuchel was hired, I didn't expect him to set us up to play in a pragmatic way, even if it has been the right decision (for the short term at least). When he was hired, I thought he would set us up play in a more expansive way, set us up to play a football style that is more towards his reputation and what he did at Dortmund etc. Instead, he's been doing everything like an Italian manager, like what I thought Allegri would have done had we hired him. 

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A manager taking responsibility? Preposterous!

Unless we completely lose the plot and results go south in these last few weeks of the season, sacking Tuchel just because we don't get Top 4 would be a fucking stupid decision from the board...again.

‘He’s brought belief and togetherness back’: Tuchel’s first month at Chelsea https://theathletic.com/2410946/2021/02/26/hes-brought-belief-and-togetherness-back-tuchels-first-month-at-Chelsea/

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Do you remember back in 2008 and 2012 when Petr Cech sort of predicted our Champions League final chances based on his pick ups and feelings? That he did not like the Moscow setting, the colors, but he loved the Munich environment etc?

Well, well, well. I just heard him in an interview for a Czech TV and he really fancies this year's chances, and gave several similar findings and feelings just like in the past. He was focusing more on numbers but the result is the same 😁

It is official. We are winning this thing!

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15 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Dave is criminally underrated by the football world by and large. 

Criminally underrated by our fans more than anything. There have been so called Chelsea fans who were saying he was finished last season and the season before. 

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1 hour ago, milka said:

 

The funny thing, they are also by far our 2 most frustrating players in possession. Both lose the ball when they shouldn't or find the wrong pass often (kante esp) that disrupts transition momentum. It's so annoying.

 

Not trying to take anything away from them, there's no perfect player. And I love them both. Absolutely brilliant players. But they are certainly limited. I think that's one of the reasons azpi is underappreciated at times. There's no flash or silky smoothness. 

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10 hours ago, Styl1994 said:

Worried Bayern will be looking at him we can’t lose him. 

No chance mate, no chance. I have utterly zero belief that he will leave for BM. You can clearly see he already loves Chels and will not just leave cuz Bayern come calling. He is ours.

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Criminally underrated by our fans more than anything. There have been so called Chelsea fans who were saying he was finished last season and the season before. 

TT has restored Azpi like JM did with JT in 2nd sting

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2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Criminally underrated by our fans more than anything. There have been so called Chelsea fans who were saying he was finished last season and the season before. 

He is finished at RB imo, he's average there as he needs to bomb forward and track back with his declining pace. Not his strengths, James is better suited for running up and down the field all game long. However I don't think anybody ever wrote Azpi off at CB, this particular system suits him perfectly.

Tuchel is great, a tactical mastermind. One thing I also like about him is that he shows trust in his fringe players, like Kepa, to play in a big game like FA Cup semi-final. Many managers wouldn't have the balls, the backup keeper usually stops playing around the quarter/semi-final stages. This reinforces the feeling in the squad that literally everybody is important, which keeps them motivated and on their toes whenever called upon.

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8 hours ago, Jason said:

Gotta say, when Tuchel was hired, I didn't expect him to set us up to play in a pragmatic way, even if it has been the right decision (for the short term at least). When he was hired, I thought he would set us up play in a more expansive way, set us up to play a football style that is more towards his reputation and what he did at Dortmund etc. Instead, he's been doing everything like an Italian manager, like what I thought Allegri would have done had we hired him. 

We weren't really pragmatic until after the goal. Before that, thought we were relatively in control. Even bloody outpossessed a Guardiola side 70/30% in the first half. That for me is the difference between Tuchel and Conte/Allegri. The former looks to control whereas the latter look to sit back and react. We are lucky that Tuchel is clever enough with his game management and is something that many Germans feel he has the edge over Klopp. 

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Nonsense to say our fans have underrated Azpi.

I've never seen anyone say he's been anything less than a top player for us and one of the best value for money signings we've ever made. 

Some fans saying his legs have gone is not the same thing at all as underrating him.

 

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4 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Our record in the big games is immaculate. Euro super league could be TT's competition :)

But will probably be Real Madrid's competition. They will buy the best of the best players again. 

 

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1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

But will probably be Real Madrid's competition. They will buy the best of the best players again. 

 

maybe. when everyone is rich, the biggest brands win which would be Real and Manure... we will see.

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1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

maybe. when everyone is rich, the biggest brands win which would be Real and Manure... we will see.

I would say probably Barcelona and Real Madrid. I guess Neymar is going back to Barcelona lol. 

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7 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I would say probably Barcelona and Real Madrid. I guess Neymar is going back to Barcelona lol. 

the English clubs if they do not kicked out of PL at least still have the edge of a competitive and better endowed domestic league. Also they are 6 so the odds of an English club dominating are at least numerically enhanced.

But yeah short term barca real are main beneficiaries as they once more evade bankcruptcy.

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7 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

We weren't really pragmatic until after the goal. Before that, thought we were relatively in control. Even bloody outpossessed a Guardiola side 70/30% in the first half. That for me is the difference between Tuchel and Conte/Allegri. The former looks to control whereas the latter look to sit back and react. We are lucky that Tuchel is clever enough with his game management and is something that many Germans feel he has the edge over Klopp. 

I meant in general. Nothing to do with specific games. 

Yes, we are seeing elements of Tuchel's management style - the pressing, the counter pressing, the possession game etc - but the setup has largely been pragmatic. We have not seen the best(?) of Tuchel's playing style that he's renowned for at previous clubs.

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26 minutes ago, Jason said:

I meant in general. Nothing to do with specific games. 

Yes, we are seeing elements of Tuchel's management style - the pressing, the counter pressing, the possession game etc - but the setup has largely been pragmatic. We have not seen the best(?) of Tuchel's playing style that he's renowned for at previous clubs.

He was very pragmatic in PSG as well. Playing 4-3-3 with basically 3 DMs.

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19 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

He was very pragmatic in PSG as well. Playing 4-3-3 with basically 3 DMs.

This. TT also was very pragmatic at Mainz, copying the opponents system with man marking in many matches. He is overall a pragmatic coach as can be seen with the variety of systems employed. His main philosophy is as he says be bold in defence and quick in attack. +suck the life of others teams with resoluteness and monopolizing posession. Only at Dortmund he had a very attacking set up with many players floodingthe opponents box.But that is bc it is dortmunds identity to play like this. Other than than TT has always had a clear concept of strong defensive foundation.

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10 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

This. TT also was very pragmatic at Mainz, copying the opponents system with man marking in many matches. He is overall a pragmatic coach as can be seen with the variety of systems employed. His main philosophy is as he says be bold in defence and quick in attack. +suck the life of others teams with resoluteness and monopolizing posession. Only at Dortmund he had a very attacking set up with many players floodingthe opponents box.But that is bc it is dortmunds identity to play like this. Other than than TT has always had a clear concept of strong defensive foundation.

This team has too much potential to be playing a pragmatic style.

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