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  1. 1. Who is your Man of the Match?

    • Kepa
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    • James
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    • Zouma
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    • Christensen
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    • Alonso
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    • Kante
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    • Jorginho
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    • Loftus-Cheek
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    • Mount
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    • Havertz
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    • Werner
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    • Barkley (sub)
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    • Hudson-Odoi (sub)
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Did anyone just see Werners interview? Fuck me he has got me fully gassed. A predator in the mind. What a signing. 

Switch Havertz to the middle and bring Odoi on for the wing.

I know we are winning and all but I am still seeing a lot of the same problems from last season. Big gaps between mid and defence as well as disjointed attack. We won't go far if we don't improve in t

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2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

But I would not say a word about Mount tonight if one member did not say Mount motm (I still think he was joking). I responded to what I think was unfair to say.

I had Mount as a starter before the game but as AM. Lamps replaced him a couple of times last season at half time and I think he would not be wrong if he did it again. Same with RLC.

Mirror:

Chelsea

Arrizabalaga 5

Is he still here? Remains a huge issue as he should have stopped Trossard shot.

James 8

Struggled defensively but hit a sensational strike and provided assist.

Zouma 7

Provides some power and strength while he was an unlikely goalscorer.

Christensen 6

They still look vulnerable in defence but he does look strong in possession.

Alonso 7

Maybe battling for his place will bring out the best in him at left back.

Jorginho 7

Sat deep and ran the midfield. A coolly taken penalty and good vision.

Kanté 7

Works so hard, you can see why he remains such an important figure.

Loftus-Cheek 5

Surprise selection, had a poor game, kept giving the ball away. No belief.

Mount 6

His passing was sloppy. Worked hard but struggled to get going.

Havertz 7

Such a clever player. Nice passing, got things moving and showed his class.

Werner 7

His pace, acceleration and runs really stretched Brighton. Promising debut.

 

BBC: 

Mount 5.55 

Express:

Mason Mount - 6

Will want to have more impact as he strives to nail down a place among Chelsea's star-studded attack.

football.london:

Mason Mount

Playing off the left, he looked to get into the game and had one nice cross. But really didn't have too much impact in the opening half of the game.

Also struggled to get into the game too much as well. Didn't have much joy off the left and couldn't make things happen with the ball at his feet. 5

 

Looks like every journalist agrees with me that he was not in at least top7 performers.

I read a lot of psychology and I think some Chelsea fans have this irrational love for Mount and now for Rice for what they represent to them.

People associate Mount with Lamps and Rice with Terry. Now Rice in our new Terry, yes as CB and he did not play CB last 2 seasons. Never since 17/18 season when he was just a teen. What is the logic to claim he is our new Terry?

Just because he is from our academy and have some similarities? Completely irrational.

But in a couple of months everyone is going to see what is Frank going to do with Mount. When all Puli, Kova, Hakim are fit and Kai settles Mason will have Barkley status from last season.

And I do not hate him lol. I am just sensitive to injustice and I only work with facts.

 

You actually think a source which gave kai more than mount is reliable? If mount had made that howler pass, scuffed a shot, lost the ball n number of times and shown that "body language", people would have ripped him a new one.

And if we are using ratings, then I would rather use a good one like whoscored which rated that performance as 7.2, more than Kai's 6.9

If we were looking at facts, then mount had 2 key passes tied highest in the team with jorginho (kai had 1), he had tied highest dribbles with werner (2, kai had 1), he was dispossessed just once (kai had 3, werner had 2).

Defensively he had the team's highest tackles - 4, and a very important clearance.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1485192/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2020-2021-Brighton-Chelsea

So MoTM, not for me, but I wont ridicule anyone who thought so too. It was a solid performance and if kai had put in a similar one with similar numbers, we would all be jizzing ourselves.

So again, it's the internet, you could find sources, supporting your argument, I can do so with mine. It's all just perspective and bias, just the way you claim that one of the best pl young players had just 2 good months last season. 

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3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

I read a lot of psychology and I think some Chelsea fans have this irrational love for Mount and now for Rice for what they represent to them.

People associate Mount with Lamps and Rice with Terry. Now Rice in our new Terry, yes as CB and he did not play CB last 2 seasons. Never since 17/18 season when he was just a teen. What is the logic to claim he is our new Terry?

Just because he is from our academy and have some similarities? Completely irrational.

But in a couple of months everyone is going to see what is Frank going to do with Mount. When all Puli, Kova, Hakim are fit and Kai settles Mason will have Barkley status from last season.

And I do not hate him lol. I am just sensitive to injustice and I only work with facts.

 

 

Fans, or part of them, may think that Mount is the new Lampard, that Rice is the new Terry and Abraham the new Drogba.
Something frustrating to watch but irrelevant.

Very serious is that the coach has an obsession with Mason Mount and show us a father-son relationship inside the club, be crazy about hiring Rice for exorbitant prices with the idea of making him Terry, besides what happened with Chilwell too.

Just as fans rate Lampard for the legend he was as a player and not for what he does each week as a coach.

Lampard is never rated as a coach.

How does he put a player who can't run, win a duel, make a pass or receive a ball in the place of the team's playmaker when he just hired a playmaker for 80 million and killed him in a side band?

How does the team enter the field without knowing what to do?

Why are there collective mistakes that have never been corrected since the first day of last season?

Questions that would be asked if another coach was in charge.

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5 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

One thing I've read in a couple of different reports is that Lampard plans to initially use Havertz out wide whilst acclimatising to the pace and intensity of the league, before he likely ends up playing centrally.

Assuming that is the case, how long is Lampard gonna play him out wide before moving him to the center? If Havertz continues to play out wide and let's say he continues to not do much, then that could affect his confidence and increase the pressure on him especially after the money we spent on him. 

5 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Again I think Lampard loves versatility in his attack and that versatility gives him multiple options but with a smaller group of players to work with. We now only have three players naturally comfortable with playing as wingers but multiple others that can 'do a job' in those positions

The one potential problem I have is with all these options and versatility, Lampard could start overthink things and tinker around too much. I know he wants us to be adaptable, fluid and not be predictable with our attacking play but I am afraid if he starts to tinker around too much, the players won't develop any kind of of understanding and consistency because players are being moved around too much and are not playing in their best position. Be it 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 or whatever the system is, Lampard needs to settle on a formation and start picking the best players that fit into that system - e.g. play the players in their best position. 

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5 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Looks like every journalist agrees with me that he was not in at least top7 performers.

I read a lot of psychology and I think some Chelsea fans have this irrational love for Mount and now for Rice for what they represent to them.

People associate Mount with Lamps and Rice with Terry. Now Rice in our new Terry, yes as CB and he did not play CB last 2 seasons. Never since 17/18 season when he was just a teen. What is the logic to claim he is our new Terry?

Just because he is from our academy and have some similarities? Completely irrational.

But in a couple of months everyone is going to see what is Frank going to do with Mount. When all Puli, Kova, Hakim are fit and Kai settles Mason will have Barkley status from last season.

And I do not hate him lol. I am just sensitive to injustice and I only work with facts.

 

Maybe fans associate Mount with Lampard, maybe fans have a soft corner for him as he is from the academy, maybe there are other reasons for this irrational love. But the question is why the extra love only for him ... why not James or Odoi or AC or Tammy. I see the others receive much slack than Mount. Food for thought would be: Maybe he is doing something right than the others. Possible? 

For me, Mount brings loads of energy in the middle, is always pressing well and is threat in the final third ... u can find him defending in the box and at the same time he will be on par with the striker on the counter. For the system that Lampard is playing with you need your midfielders working the shit out of themselves. Yes there are flaws to his game but with better players around, maybe he can overcome those or hide those. Last year he became a defacto choice for Lampard however this season I feel with competition for places it would be interesting to see if he has the will to fight or have success gone into his head. 

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Decent game we had yesterday, Won by a margin of 2 goals despite being not good. 

Quite a few players were out of positions. First reaction on Havertz was he is so lost and he will suit more on the center than wide. But then only his first game which is ridiculous. Werner will get us loads of goals or assists once the team settles. Both CBs shows determination and were good if compared with their past performances. Mount & Kante did what they do best. RLC was a disappointment yest. Resse James covered his mistakes with that awesome stirke. And what to mention about Kepa, I'm starting to feel it is no longer a confident issue the goal which went in was a skill issue. 

Found a couple of things interesting and being done differently from our last competitive game. Lampard deployed long ball tactics, we werent going for the ball till about the 60th min ... we were happy to sit back and let the opposition have the ball (not sure if this was delibrate or not, I feel it was), sat deep for the first trying to soak pressure drawing the opposition and trying for the counter. 

We could have started with Odoi wide instead of Havertz? :ph34r: ... Mystery which would never be resolved. 

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For me it's Frank trying to keep players sweet, and when I say that I specifically look at players like RLC. Absolutely no way would it of entered my mind he starts last night.

Havertz is good but he cannot play every single position and still play at the highest of his ability. It's easy to say now but Havertz in for RLC and CHO out wide right.

FL just batting away noises of another keeper won't fool anyone, Mendy is coming and the quicker we get Kepa out of this goal might go some way to solving the confidence and errors in this back line.

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Looked like Alonso was pushing a trolley up and down that left side. 

The centrebacks were good defensively but their tendency to go long whenever they are pressed worries me.

Reece-Kante midfield to see out games is interesting and could be solid

Don't care it was ugly. Will take the three points and run. This could be like Conte 2016-17 where finding the right team could take a while. 

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Yeah I don't get the Mason Mount hate from some people either, he might not be the flashiest of attacking midfielders, but he is a very good player to have in your squad, think he will eventually turn out to be England's next James Milner which frankly is not a bad thing, they both seem to be very similar in many ways, at least in my opinion.

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3 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

You actually think a source which gave kai more than mount is reliable? If mount had made that howler pass, scuffed a shot, lost the ball n number of times and shown that "body language", people would have ripped him a new one.

And if we are using ratings, then I would rather use a good one like whoscored which rated that performance as 7.2, more than Kai's 6.9

If we were looking at facts, then mount had 2 key passes tied highest in the team with jorginho (kai had 1), he had tied highest dribbles with werner (2, kai had 1), he was dispossessed just once (kai had 3, werner had 2).

Defensively he had the team's highest tackles - 4, and a very important clearance.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1485192/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2020-2021-Brighton-Chelsea

So MoTM, not for me, but I wont ridicule anyone who thought so too. It was a solid performance and if kai had put in a similar one with similar numbers, we would all be jizzing ourselves.

So again, it's the internet, you could find sources, supporting your argument, I can do so with mine. It's all just perspective and bias, just the way you claim that one of the best pl young players had just 2 good months last season. 

Whoscored has Alonso as our best rated player from last season so not sure how much I would trust them.

Havertz was not better than Mount yesterday but he has free pass in the beginning. 

55 minutes ago, coolhead23 said:

u can find him defending in the box and at the same time he will be on par with the striker on the counter. 

And how is this going? I agree that pressing and running is his biggest quality but not really end product. 

Go watch 1st Sheffield goal from July. He lost the ball around the box. Also after restart Villa goal in our win 1:2. He lost the player in the box but tbh he should not cover tall CB in the first place.

And yesterday he shares the blame with Kepa for the goal. This is his biggest quality yet he did not bother to just put his leg and we would not even speak about Kepa.

Paul Ince also spoke about Mount for this goal. 0:50

So Mount was (partly) at fault for 3 goals we conceded in the last 13 games he played. And all this comes with him playing a winger or AM. This would be a horrible record even for a defender. And offensively he is mostly brain dead in the final 3rd.

I remember Lamptey going between him and Alonso like they are not there. So when we praise Mount it is always energy, pressing, running... Is that enough? James Rodriguez has nothing of that and looked world class for Everton in the 1st game.

 

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8 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said:

Yeah I don't get the Mason Mount hate from some people either, he might not be the flashiest of attacking midfielders, but he is a very good player to have in your squad, think he will eventually turn out to be England's next James Milner which frankly is not a bad thing, they both seem to be very similar in many ways, at least in my opinion.

No one is hating on him. Pointing out the obvious is not hating. And I actually agree with you about Milner.

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18 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Whoscored has Alonso as our best rated player from last season so not sure how much I would trust them.

Havertz was not better than Mount yesterday but he has free pass in the beginning. 

And how is this going? I agree that pressing and running is his biggest quality but not really end product. 

Go watch 1st Sheffield goal from July. He lost the ball around the box. Also after restart Villa goal in our win 1:2. He lost the player in the box but tbh he should not cover tall CB in the first place.

And yesterday he shares the blame with Kepa for the goal. This is his biggest quality yet he did not bother to just put his leg and we would not even speak about Kepa.

Paul Ince also spoke about Mount for this goal. 0:50

So Mount was (partly) at fault for 3 goals we conceded in the last 13 games he played. And all this comes with him playing a winger or AM. This would be a horrible record even for a defender. And offensively he is mostly brain dead in the final 3rd.

I remember Lamptey going between him and Alonso like they are not there. So when we praise Mount it is always energy, pressing, running... Is that enough? James Rodriguez has nothing of that and looked world class for Everton in the 1st game.

 

How is it going? From our situation where we were, I say not bad at all. 

Every players has his flaws, if we have to analyse our players for last season then we will find everyone "partly" to be blamed for one thing or the other. I never said Mount is perfect, there are flaws which can rectified and if not Mount in our current setup then who? We already have changed half of the team ... do we keep changing and chopping the squad every season and sometime we need to believe in a player which we havent till now. 

For the goal that we conceded yest for which he could have put his foot ... there always be divided opinions. I for one wouldnt want anyone putting anything unless it is a solid stop. Had he put his foot and it would have deflected into the goal these pundits would had been tearing him down. 

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WELL!

Whoever was bigging up RLC pre game whats your thoughts now? Gotta go IMO.

The CBs shocked me - not 1 bad thing to say about them. Rock steady!

Reece had little mistakes but better corner taker than Willian and needs to let that right foot swing more.

Havertz was a little tiger. Ran himself ragged. NEEDS to be behind Werner as we all said before hand. Seems HL doesnt read TC! He will be great.

Mount is a hard one. I dont know just where he fits in. Ziyech will be on RW. Havertz will be ACM. Back 2 should be Kova/Kante unless Rice comes. So Im totally at a loss with the lad/ See where his dad plays him and who loses their spot to him.

Werner may well be my new man crush. Watching that after match interview gave me a semi lol Guys gonna be a Phenom!

Gotta say tho guys. My main worry is FL! 

He worries me that hes too much of a stubborn sod. I dont understand if when he sees a formation or player isnt working then change it. WHY did he keep RLC n for a extra 15 mins in 2nd half?

But not gonna bitch n whine. We need to get all the new lads in, get them gelling, HOPE FL finds a formation and a team that works before I make a proper thought.

A wins a win

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2 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

+1. Plus where did this 4-2-4 come from? Why? Would not a 4-3-3 have suited us way better with jorginho controlling the mid. For all his issues, jorgi does that brilliantly, and we played in a way that he could not possibly do that.

I guess lampard bought that myth about Werner being better in a front 2. Or maybe he just wanted to accomodate him a bit too ease his transition into english football. Anyway RLC badly failed to playing bodyguard for Werner, so Timo was basically on his own anyway and did just fine. I could see the 4-2-4 working with Giroud but I can easily see Werner leading the line on is own too. Not sure if Havertz can drop into the position RLC played today and not get crushed tho, so no idea if it is so smart to play him high up front in the middle. we will see

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12 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I guess lampard bought that myth about Werner being better in a front 2. Or maybe he just wanted to accomodate him a bit too ease his transition into english football. Anyway RLC badly failed to playing bodyguard for Werner, so Timo was basically on his own anyway and did just fine. I could see the 4-2-4 working with Giroud but I can easily see Werner leading the line on is own too. Not sure if Havertz can drop into the position RLC played today and not get crushed tho, so no idea if it is so smart to play him high up front in the middle. we will see

Front 4 has to be

PULI WERNER ZIYECH

            KAI

Those 4 are so fluid and will be inter changing they will be shooting from everywhere. No team will know who to mark.

Im excited

 

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6 hours ago, R2D2 said:

We won't see Kepa again until the Carling cup hopefully.

And we have Carabao cup next week lol

I still think Frank will not put Mendy to make a debut against Liverpool so Kepa will play that and Mendy next week against Championship side.

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23 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

And we have Carabao cup next week lol

I still think Frank will not put Mendy to make a debut against Liverpool so Kepa will play that and Mendy next week against Championship side.

Dont know about anyone else what you lot think but Im not thinking their goal was a mistake by Kepa. I just dont think he was good enough to stop it.But he was OK at times.

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2 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Dont know about anyone else what you lot think but Im not thinking their goal was a mistake by Kepa. I just dont think he was good enough to stop it.But he was OK at times.

Could maybe have done a bit better maybe but again it takes a horrible dip. Even then, Mason Mounts attempt to close the shooter down all of the two yards he was away is absolutely criminal. Its not been mentioned once ironically either for all the talk of Mounts defensive contributions. For all the talk of work rate etc he’s on the edge of the box its 2 yards its not difficult.

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

Could maybe have done a bit better maybe but again it takes a horrible dip. Even then, still Mason Mounts attempt to close the shooter down all of the two yards he was away is absolutely criminal. Its not been mentioned once ironically either for all the talk of Mounts defensive contributions. For all the talk of work rate etc he’s on the edge of the box its 2 yards its not difficult.

Agree. I see peeps saying he was their MOTM but I must have missed something they saw.

Masons got skills but hes not a nailed on starter yet no matter what FL thinks.

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13 hours ago, Muzchap said:

yeah it's sad but he hasn't made it and the injuries have cut short his development. 

I don't think he ever really had much chance of making it because what's wrong with him is in his head and he's never given much hope that he would be able to fix it. Rubes has the tools but he simply does not influence games and never has. Seven or eight years ago someone asked me to rate the chances of Ruben and Jeremie Boga. I said that Jed was 50/50 but that Ruben had virtually no chance unless he got a huge kick up the backside and that that lesson sank in. I'm sure he's had the boot but if it was going to work it would have done a long time ago.

In that same post I said that RLC would be lucky to get a gig in League One unless he changed. I hope, I really hope, he can do better than that but it's not certain. In fact I think he has to do better because he has to be able to contribute to a strong side. He does not have enough 'battle' in him to earn the trust of coaches at weaker teams.

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