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  1. 1. Who is your Man of the Match?

    • Kepa
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    • Azpilicueta
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    • Rudiger
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    • Christensen
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    • Alonso
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    • Kante
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    • Kovacic
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    • Barkley
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    • Willian
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    • Pulisic
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    • Abraham
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    • Giroud (sub)
      1
    • Loftus-Cheek (sub)
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    • Mount (sub)
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Big shout out to Mount though. Great urgency and precise passing FORWARDS. Good link up with pulisic but trusts alonso too much lol.

I think playing as an 8 suits him better than as a ten in a 4231.

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Lampard's obsession with Kante is becoming unbearable. I can understand the need to play him as the lone defensive midfielder in front of the back 4 against Man City because of our counter attacking g

We have conceded more goals than Arsenal. And we laugh at their defence...

Put Giroud on. No wonder Abraham has been benched. He isn't good enough.

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Just now, Tomo said:

While i'm not atall defending the defense the wastefulness in attack is probably an even bigger problem.

 How many times this season have we dominated games without winning? As shown against Everton and Liverpool we can work with this defense with crucial adjustments infront.

This defence needs a new leader. Christensen isn't a leader and Rudiger is a shocking defender.

We have dominated games but what is the patter of play here? Soo predictable. West Ham shut us out in open play today and it wasn't even hard. 

Yes we need to score more but our defence is a HUGE problem. 

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Why does Lampard keep persisting on Kante as the lone DM?
Where the fuck was he for that?
What's Rudiger doing letting a left footed player cut onto his left foot?

Multiple people to blame. I mentioned it before, but we constantly seem to find ourselves overcommitting when we have corners.
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2 minutes ago, DDA said:

This defence needs a new leader. Christensen isn't a leader and Rudiger is a shocking defender.

We have dominated games but what is the patter of play here? Soo predictable. West Ham shut us out in open play today and it wasn't even hard. 

Yes we need to score more but our defence is a HUGE problem. 

They just look all over the place.

Let's defend a set piece...by going in any direction. We used to be so solid. Okay different players but now its a mess.

I'm still not over Arsenal that time scoring from our corner! Sums it up

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1 minute ago, Laylabelle said:

They just look all over the place.

Let's defend a set piece...by going in any direction. We used to be so solid. Okay different players but now its a mess.

I'm still not over Arsenal that time scoring from our corner! Sums it up

Why isn't Zouma being played in every game? 

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Rudiger is such a gutting disappointment. I honestly thought he was one of the best CB's in the league before he got that big injury pre EL final. He had all the physical tools and ability on the ball to be our JT successor.

He has regressed massively this season and regularly commits David Luiz esque errors and gets whipped for pace which never used to happen.

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I always thought that rudiger will never be charismatic enough to lead the defence same as azpi. Rudiger strikes me as the crazy, unfocused but willing to put his body on the line for the group whereas azpi is the quiet, loyal one, neither have leadership traits. We need a CB who has those qualities like van dijk and de ligt who is still young but you can see it. I guess we have been spoilt by Terry all these years.

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14 minutes ago, Jason said:

Lampard's obsession with Kante is becoming unbearable. I can understand the need to play him as the lone defensive midfielder in front of the back 4 against Man City because of our counter attacking game plan. But fucking hell, against teams like Villa and West Ham, playing him there is so useless. It hurts our ability to play out from the back, Kante always takes the safe passing option - sideways and backwards - and it is making my eyes bleed. That in turn also places the onus on Christensen and Rudiger to play attacking passes from the back and just like Kante, they are making my eyes bleed and driving me mad. They are so inconsistent and unadventurous with their passing. Furthermore, it is not like Kante has been 100% perfect in the defensive side of things in this DM role in all of the games so far that you can afford to overlook his lack of attacking capabilities. Not even close. 

The defending tonight throughout the game, be it in open play or in set piece situations was diabolical, and while we can blame the defenders and keeper, I feel like we need to address the biggest elephant in the room here - Lampard. Defending set pieces was already a problem for him at Derby and now it is a problem here again. Why? What is he and the coaches doing in training? Why do we look like conceding in every set piece situation? Plus, I don't know what's the latest numbers now but his sides have conceded far too many goals and kept too little clean sheets. The defenders are shit and the keeper is shit, yes, but I feel like there has been a negligence from Lampard when it comes to defending. He has talked so much about wanting to close the gap on Liverpool and Man City and yet, we continue to look so porous under him. Imagine trying to close the gap on the top two when we are conceding stupid goals every week and have even conceded more than Arsenal this season (ARSENAL!). 

Also, while the continuous hopeless defending has definitely and deservedly taken the spotlight but is anyone feeling unimpressed by our attacking play recently or at least against the smaller, defensive sides? I know those teams defend in numbers and don't make it easy but all I have seen us mostly doing is getting the ball out wide, crossing it in and hoping someone converts it. To make things worse, Alonso or Azpi never varies their crosses. It's always the same kind of crosses! It's so unimaginative, boring and dare I say, Sam Allardyce/Tony Pulis-esque football. Where is the imaginative play? Where is the quick 1-2s around the box? Where is the pass and move, pass and move? Where is the overlapping play? Why are players not trying to take players on more often, dribble past people? Imagine playing Werner up front next season - a 180cm striker - and we keep putting crosses in for him! It's bad and dull. 

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Rudiger is such a gutting disappointment. I honestly thought he was one of the best CB's in the league before he got that big injury pre EL final. He had all the physical tools and ability on the ball to be our JT successor.
He has regressed massively this season and regularly commits David Luiz esque errors and gets whipped for pace which never used to happen.
He was never that good. Just watch how he defended the goals we conceded. There is a reason why most Germans do not rate Rüdiger

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We need to go out and get an on-pitch general of a CB. A proper captain.

VVD instantly became their general who organizes the whole team. Maguire became captain of United as soon as he came in and they keep clean sheet after clean sheet.

We need a commanding, beast of a CB or we will be like Wenger's Arsenal or Rodgers's Liverpool next season scoring for fun but also conceding for fun. And you can't win the title doing that.

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21 minutes ago, Jason said:

Lampard's obsession with Kante is becoming unbearable. I can understand the need to play him as the lone defensive midfielder in front of the back 4 against Man City because of our counter attacking game plan. But fucking hell, against teams like Villa and West Ham, playing him there is so useless. It hurts our ability to play out from the back, Kante always takes the safe passing option - sideways and backwards - and it is making my eyes bleed. That in turn also places the onus on Christensen and Rudiger to play attacking passes from the back and just like Kante, they are making my eyes bleed and driving me mad. They are so inconsistent and unadventurous with their passing. Furthermore, it is not like Kante has been 100% perfect in the defensive side of things in this DM role in all of the games so far that you can afford to overlook his lack of attacking capabilities. Not even close. 

The defending tonight throughout the game, be it in open play or in set piece situations was diabolical, and while we can blame the defenders and keeper, I feel like we need to address the biggest elephant in the room here - Lampard. Defending set pieces was already a problem for him at Derby and now it is a problem here again. Why? What is he and the coaches doing in training? Why do we look like conceding in every set piece situation? Plus, I don't know what's the latest numbers now but his sides have conceded far too many goals and kept too little clean sheets. The defenders are shit and the keeper is shit, yes, but I feel like there has been a negligence from Lampard when it comes to defending. He has talked so much about wanting to close the gap on Liverpool and Man City and yet, we continue to look so porous under him. Imagine trying to close the gap on the top two when we are conceding stupid goals every week and have even conceded more than Arsenal this season (ARSENAL!). 

Excellent post. 

Regarding Kante as a 6 which was heavily mentioned last season under Sarri for nearly the first 2 months of the season. Looking back on Kantes time here bar against Man City last week, I cannot remember any other games in which he has played this role except when Conte tried him there before going 343. I get the impression he is better playing with Jorginho, playing on the right of a 3 or even in a 2 as he isnt just fixed to that position and he can get up and down the pitch, while there is someone there who can take the ball from the CBs and play the passes to get us through a press or organised team. So tonight, I dont understand FL not playing Jorginho, I mean we had 73% possession or something but only scored through a penalty and freekick. He moves the ball forward more and quicker which takes the burden off the CBs to be more adventurous with the ball. 

We have also went from having the 3rd best defensive record in the league last season with Sarri to whatever we are now.... conceding more than Arsenal... and lets consider thats with the same defensive players bar David Luiz. The defending from set plays have been worse than last season 100% as well. Maybe with a CB and a LB we will improve defensively but there is an aspect of in game management and coaching that has to be considered here as well. Because these arent blips that happen irregularly, that can only be put down to individual mistakes, its been happening since the season began. 

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18 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Rudiger is such a gutting disappointment. I honestly thought he was one of the best CB's in the league before he got that big injury pre EL final. He had all the physical tools and ability on the ball to be our JT successor.

He has regressed massively this season and regularly commits David Luiz esque errors and gets whipped for pace which never used to happen.

He really, really hasn't regressed at all. He has always been this poor.

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2 minutes ago, SUNZ said:

He really, really hasn't regressed at all. He has always been this poor.

Just not true. He was awesome when he first came here and was one of my favorite Chelsea players. He was a beast.

Not until this season has he started repeatedly making schoolboy errors.

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Just now, Pizy said:

Just not true. He was awesome when he first came here and was one of my favorite Chelsea players. He was a beast.

Not until this season has he started repeatedly making schoolboy errors.

We will have to agree to disagree.

He simply cannot defend and is arguably our worst CB.

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15 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Excellent post. 

Regarding Kante as a 6 which was heavily mentioned last season under Sarri for nearly the first 2 months of the season. Looking back on Kantes time here bar against Man City last week, I cannot remember any other games in which he has played this role except when Conte tried him there before going 343. I get the impression he is better playing with Jorginho, playing on the right of a 3 or even in a 2 as he isnt just fixed to that position and he can get up and down the pitch, while there is someone there who can take the ball from the CBs and play the passes to get us through a press or organised team. So tonight, I dont understand FL not playing Jorginho, I mean we had 73% possession or something but only scored through a penalty and freekick. He moves the ball forward more and quicker which takes the burden off the CBs to be more adventurous with the ball. 

We have also went from having the 3rd best defensive record in the league last season with Sarri to whatever we are now.... conceding more than Arsenal... and lets consider thats with the same defensive players bar David Luiz. The defending from set plays have been worse than last season 100% as well. Maybe with a CB and a LB we will improve defensively but there is an aspect of in game management and coaching that has to be considered here as well. Because these arent blips that happen irregularly, that can only be put down to individual mistakes, its been happening since the season began. 

Honestly, I do not know what Lampard is trying to do with the midfield anymore. He stuck with the same midfield setup that we played Sarri and I thought okay, maybe he has the same idea as Sarri and/or wants to retain that continuity. But now? He's flipped that midfield around and it has probably become worse and all because he's trying to fit Kante in somehow. :doh: It also doesn't seem to help that we have too many options and Lampard is constantly changing the players around. Has anyone nicknamed him The Tinkerer yet?

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14 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

No reason in pumping any more money into trying to create a stellar front line when we are served that abysmal defence. Put prime Messi and Ronaldo into this line up and nothing would change, Chelsea's current defenders are total garbage.

Soyuncu, Romagnoli and God knows what other towering defenders are out there, all I know from tonight on Chelsea must prioritise the defence otherwise we're going nowhere.

 

CB heights

Zouma 1.90m

Rudiger  1.90m

AC 1.88m

Tomori 1.84m

Ethan Ampadu   1.82m

Marc Guehi  1.82m

John Terry   1.87m

 

for comparison VVD 1.93m, Maguire 1.94m,  Aymeric Laporte 1.90m (left-footed), Davinson Sánchez 1.87m, Niklas Süle 1.95m, Clément Lenglet ( left-footed) 1.87m, Samuel Umtiti (left-footed and damaged goods) 1.82m

Lucas Hernández (left-footed) 1.82m

 

now the targets (linked or my own)

Raphaël Varane  1.91m

Alessio Romagnoli  1.88m   left-footed

José Giménez 1.85m

Matthijs de Ligt  1.89m

Kalidou Koulibaly 1.87m

Marquinhos 1.85m

Milan Skriniar 1.88m

Stefan de Vrij  1.89m

Dayot Upamecano 1.86m

Ibrahima Konaté   1.93m

Ake 1.80m   left-footed

Diego Carlos 1.86m

Declan Rice 1.85m

Luiz Felipe  1.87m

Caglar Söyüncü  1.87m

Dan-Axel Zagadou  1.96m     left-footed

Rúben Dias  1.87m

Ozan Kabak  1.86m

Lukas Klostermann  1.89m

Nico Elvedi   1.89m

Matthias Ginter  1.91m

Merih Demiral 1.90m

Nikola Milenkovic  1.95m

Marash Kumbulla  1.91m

Evan N'Dicka   1.92m left-footed

Edmond Tapsoba   1.92m

Gabriel Magalhães  1.90m   left-footed

Pau Torres   1.91m  left footed

Lewis Dunk  1.92m

Mohammed Salisu  1.91m  left-footed

Alessandro Bastoni  1.90m  left-footed

Gianluca Mancini  1.90m

 Éder Militão 1.86m

Presnel Kimpembe  1.83m  left-footed

Abdou Diallo   1.87m  left footed

Thilo Keherer  1.86m

Issa Diop  1.94m

Jonathan Tah   1.95m

Unai Núñez  1.86m

Iñigo Martínez  1.82m  left footed 

 Yeray Álvarez   1.82m

Boubacar Kamara  1.84m

Jules Koundé  1.84m

Manuel Akanji  1.87m

Benoît Badiashile   1.94m  left-footed but only 19yo

Strahinja Pavlovic   1.94m  left-footed but only 19yo

Zinho Vanheusden   1.87m

Benjamin Pavard  1.86m

Jean-Clair Todibo   1.90m

Ben White  1.82m

Ben Godfrey  1.83m

Malang Sarr  1.87m  left-footed

Felix Uduokhai  1.92m  left-footed

Jordan Torunarigha  1.91m  left-footed

Moussa Niakhaté   1.90m left-footed

Kevin Akpoguma  1.92m

 

 

 

 

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