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Guys, i just want to say, take care of yourselves and your families during this horrible pandemic, stay safe always and God bless you all. Hug 🙏💪👊

Good article - history shows governments are really slow to withdraw big brother state apparatus and surveillance when emergencies are over. Theyre also quite keen for everyone to have the Covid

Strange times. We've surrendered our liberty and freedom to the State. Parliament has disappeared. All private enterprise has been Nationalised. Movement controlled. All our freedom just given up with

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11 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Italy coronavirus cases rise to 31506 from 27980 yesterday. A rise of 12.6%

Fuck, over 15,000 new cases now in last 5 days. And I am battling a tonne of old boomer neoliberal American corporatist Democrats on a couple private chatrooms who keep posting bullshit tweets that say Italy is soon back to normal. They are fucking delusional. Plus they HATE Millenials and Zennials And Gen Z like me. They are insanely OTT with blaming US for everything wrong in the world, and have the absolute jacobs to call us NARCISSISTIC!!!!

The majority of fucking American boomers are litterally the most spoilt, narcissistic, selfish, ''I got mine so FUCK YOU'' group of tossers I have ever met.

Those fuckers called ME a commie! Lolol. All because I said Biden has always been a bankster shill and never met a war he didnt like since Viet Nam. Lolol. I dont even like Bernie, but hej! I am a commie! Roflmaooo. Oh, one called me a crypto Trumper!!! Ffs.

Thank fuck I dont have to deal with numpty cunts like that in real life. I got banned from a Facebook group for calling Biden Groper Joe, lolol.

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At the moment:

SPAIN 11,409 cases - 510 deaths - 563 in critical condition.

GERMANY 9,352 cases - 24 deaths - just 2 in critical condition.

Is German medicine that good or is it something else?

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At the moment:
SPAIN 11,409 cases - 510 deaths - 563 in critical condition.
GERMANY 9,352 cases - 24 deaths - just 2 in critical condition.
Is German medicine that good or is it something else?


You never know who got infected. Maybe Spains infected people have more diseases in the first place or the infected People in Spain may be older.
And as far as I know, there is no medicine to help with Corona

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41 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

At the moment:

SPAIN 11,409 cases - 510 deaths - 563 in critical condition.

GERMANY 9,352 cases - 24 deaths - just 2 in critical condition.

Is German medicine that good or is it something else?

Death statistics vary greatly country by country. A virologist explained that countries that are able to more effectively protect and isolate their elderly have the lowest mortality rates. Maybe Spain are not doing as good a job at it? 

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Do you know that the covid carrier can infect many people, 10, 20 or harm  more in the 14 day period it takes the virus to incubate if he takes no precautions whatsoever ?
After that he can't really harm anybody because he is ill and he knows it, but everything happens before.
If we become cautious then those of us who got it will infect less people, but the immediate members of our families will be exposed, because families cannot be separated.
This sets a theoretical limit to the spread of the disease. If there are at this time X asymptomatic carriers then we can count on approximately 3 . X cases of cv.
But there won't be a 3 . X + 1 case because we are all well behaved in the community.
Unfortunately this limit is difficult to achieve, but we can try.
If everybody is careless then we infect 10 people on the average and we cause a chain reaction.
If everybody is cautious then we may take this average down to < 1, which means that the epidemic process decays.
But it wiil take weeks before we can talk with any optimism.

 

 

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here is a stream for the US cable news network

MSNBC

https://streamfare.net/msnbc.html

and CNN

https://streamfare.net/1cnn.html

do NOT watch Fox News

there are 100% gaslighting agitprop

the amount of pure lies and disinfo they put out is breathtaking

They will cause the deaths of tens (hundreds?) of thousands of their own viewers. For the past 2 plus months they have been parroting Trump (who now has finally, to a point, realised what a hurricane of shit is coming) by claiming COVID-19 was a hoax designed to hurt Trump.

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

here is a stream for the US cable news network

MSNBC

https://streamfare.net/msnbc.html

and CNN

https://streamfare.net/1cnn.html

do NOT watch Fox News

there are 100% gaslighting agitprop

the amount of pure lies and disinfo they put out is breathtaking

They will cause the deaths of tens (hundreds?) of thousands of their own viewers. For the past 2 plus months they have been parroting Trump (who now has finally, to a point, realised what a hurricane of shit is coming) by claiming COVID-19 was a hoax designed to hurt Trump.

All 3 are bad. 

One is extreme right and the other is extreme left. 

So there's no good choice there. 

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3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

All 3 are bad. 

One is extreme right and the other is extreme left. 

So there's no good choice there. 

lol at 'extreme left'

there is no such thing in the US, other than micro-fringe tiny groups who have zero systemic power

the average US Democrat would be square in the middle of the average centre-RIGHT party in Europe

the political spectrum in the US has been slid so far to the right that is is almost impossible to compare to the rest of the advanced world

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2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

lol at 'extreme left'

there is no such thing in the US, other than micro-fringe tiny groups who have zero systemic power

the average US Democrat would be square in the middle of the average centre-RIGHT party in Europe

the political spectrum in the US has been slid so far to the right that is is almost impossible to compare to the rest of the advanced world

Nope, CNN is extreme left. 

Cannot take them serious for much of anything. Just a bunch of sensationalist people. 

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28 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Nope, CNN is extreme left. 

Cannot take them serious for much of anything. Just a bunch of sensationalist people. 

no one takes you seriously here

in the US, people are labeled 'extreme left' if they simply support basic human rights like LGBTQ rights and support reproductive choice

those issues (and many others) have been weaponised by the RW and the LW to use as wedges to drive people apart and the herd them into political camps of captive support via one of the oldest games in the book, the thousands of years-old divide et impera model (divide and conquer/rule)

if a politician there in the US suggests basic, actual substantive regulation and oversight of the giant corporations and banks (many of whom pay zero or near zero in federal income taxes and who will soon get over a trillion USD or more in yet another massive give-away) or says it is madness to spend over 1.5 trillion USD per year on the war/security/surveillance state then you have 100 million gaslit RW'ers screaming COMMIE!!!

as for the Democrats, at the end of the day, they cave in and suck bankster cock and vote trillions more the empire as well

hell they could not even pass a simple public option for healthcare when they had a 60 seat filibuster-proof majority in the Senate back in 2009/2010

Bill Clinton back in 1993 and onward set the Democratic party onto a corporatist, 3rd-Way, neoliberal path that included disastrous deregulation schemes like the 1996 Telecommunications ACT (that help to consolidate US media control into the hands of a small group of giant corporations), the horrific repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999 (which allowed ultra risky investment banks to commingle savings funds of the thrifts), and then the equally odious Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (CFMA) which re-legalised the financial weapons of mass destruction know as derivatives.

Those last two were foundational, absolutely KEY drivers to the global systemic economic crash of 2007-2010. Even the weak sauce Dodd-Frank regulatory bill (written hand in glove with the very financial predators themselves) that was passed in its wake was watered down in 2018, and had 17 DEMOCRATS crossing the aisle to join with the Republicans in ramming it through.

I will not even get deeply into basically every so-called 'Defence Department' increase to its already bloated budget (The Democrats in 2018 actually helped pass an even BIGGER increase than fucking Trump himself wanted) or their horrendous track record of enthusiastic support (and often taking the lead, in the cause of Libya, Syria etc etc) of the murderous wars of empire since the end of WWII. The US has caused, either directly of indirectly, post WWII, the deaths of 30 million people involved in it military adventurneering, 80% of whom were civilians, and the Democrats (with a few exceptions) have been right there, along with the Rethugs, cheering it all fucking on.

so

'far left' 

my SWEET FA

 

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12 minutes ago, Vesper said:

no one takes you seriously here

in the US, people are labeled 'extreme left' if they simply support basic human rights like LGBTQ rights and support reproductive choice

those issues (and many others) have been weaponised by the RW and the LW to use as wedges to drive people apart and the herd them into political camps of captive support via one of the oldest games in the book, the thousands of years-old divide et impera model (divide and conquer/rule)

if a politician there in the US suggests basic, actual substantive regulation and oversight of the giant corporations and banks (many of whom pay zero or near zero in federal income taxes and who will soon get over a trillion USD or more in yet another massive give-away) or says it is madness to spend over 1.5 trillion USD per year on the war/security/surveillance state then you have 100 million gaslit RW'ers screaming COMMIE!!!

as for the Democrats, at the end of the day, they cave in and suck bankster cock and vote trillions more the empire as well

hell they could not even pass a simple public option for healthcare when they had a 60 seat filibuster-proof majority in the Senate back in 2009/2010

Bill Clinton back in 1993 and onward set the Democratic party onto a corporatist, 3rd-Way, neoliberal path that included disastrous deregulation schemes like the 1996 Telecommunications ACT (that help to consolidate US media control into the hands of a small group of giant corporations), the horrific repeal of Glass-Steagall in 1999 (which allowed ultra risky investment banks to commingle savings funds of the thrifts), and then the equally odious Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (CFMA) which re-legalised the financial weapons of mass destruction know as derivatives.

Those last two were foundational, absolutely KEY drivers to the global systemic economic crash of 2007-2010. Even the weak sauce Dodd-Frank regulatory bill (written hand in glove with the very financial predators themselves) that was passed in its wake was watered down in 2018, and had 17 DEMOCRATS crossing the aisle to join with the Republicans in ramming it through.

I will not even get deeply into basically every so-called 'Defence Department' increase to its already bloated budget (The Democrats in 2018 actually helped pass an even BIGGER increase than fucking Trump himself wanted) or their horrendous track record of enthusiastic support (and often taking the lead, in the cause of Libya, Syria etc etc) of the murderous wars of empire since the end of WWII. The US has caused, either directly of indirectly, post WWII, the deaths of 30 million people involved in it military adventurneering, 80% of whom were civilians, and the Democrats (with a few exceptions) have been right there, along with the Rethugs, cheering it all fucking on.

so

'far left' 

my SWEET FA

 

In the end far left and extreme right. 

It will always be like that, liberals vs conservative. 

I for once I'm happy that you have that choice. Because in other countries like Iran, North Korea and such we would have no voice. Me as a christian would get slaughter and you as LGBTQ will get slaughter. 

 

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6 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

 

'owning the Libs', roflmaoooooooooo

Fox and Murdoch media as a whole are a global pestilence

gaslighting 100's of millions of low-info dullards into taking overall anti-humanity paths of actions

this pic is USA-specific, but captures the overall methodology quite well

Image result for stupid republicans I am the one ruining their lives

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13 minutes ago, Fernando said:

In the end far left and extreme right. 

It will always be like that, liberals vs conservative. 

I for once I'm happy that you have that choice. Because in other countries like Iran, North Korea and such we would have no voice. Me as a christian would get slaughter and you as LGBTQ will get slaughter. 

 

complete non sequitur

that has zero to do with anything that I said

also it is a COMPLETE false-choice dilemma

it is NOT vote American RW-style or we all turn into Iran or NoKo

that is utter bollocks

that is the biggest pile of shit postulation I have seen all week (or longer)

another pure and classic logical fallacy

plus, PLUS, your very own RW America DOES contain MILLIONS of bigots and haters who DO want me dead, just because of whom I love and whom I married

there are ZERO advanced social democratic nations on the planet where your or I are in mortal danger (because of your religion and my sexual orientation) from the official actions and laws of the governments

although the US, with it out-of-control slanting to the right on a systemic level, is starting to go into that arena's entrance areas

and the zeitgeist of the RW certainly, from a non-governmental stance, is most definitely encouraging aspects and elements of this

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11 minutes ago, Vesper said:

complete non sequitur

that has zero to do with anything that I said

also it is a COMPLETE false-choice dilemma

it is NOT vote American RW-style or we all turn into Iran or NoKo

that is utter bollocks

that is the biggest pile of shit postulation I have seen all week (or longer)

another pure and classic logical fallacy

plus, PLUS, your very own RW America DOES contain MILLIONS of bigots and haters who DO want me dead, just because of whom I love and whom I married

there are ZERO advanced social democratic nations on the planet where your or I are in mortal danger (because of your religion and my sexual orientation) from the official actions and laws of the governments

although the US, with it out-of-control slanting to the right on a systemic level, is starting to go into that arena's entrance areas

and the zeitgeist of the RW certainly, from a non-governmental stance, is most definitely encouraging aspects and elements of this

 

Dead is a bit extreme me thinks. 

But bigots and haters also apply to you. Because that is just a term that is used for someone that does not agree with your view. So if someone doesn't agree with your view you also hate them and spout bunch of hatred. 

They are just two poles of the extreme end. 

At the end as a christian what you do is a sin, but you will not be condemn for that, more then likely you get condemn for lying, swearing, lusting and other things. So we all fall short because we all lied at one time, cursed at one time, lust at one time. And if you break one you break them all. So how can we be in good standing? 

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50 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Dead is a bit extreme me thinks. 

But bigots and haters also apply to you. Because that is just a term that is used for someone that does not agree with your view. So if someone doesn't agree with your view you also hate them and spout bunch of hatred. 

They are just two poles of the extreme end. 

At the end as a christian what you do is a sin, but you will not be condemn for that, more then likely you get condemn for lying, swearing, lusting and other things. So we all fall short because we all lied at one time, cursed at one time, lust at one time. And if you break one you break them all. So how can we be in good standing? 

where I am and when have I ever wished someone dead?

that is patently absurd

I fucking hate the damn whataboutism you lot always try and play

you wear your religion on your sleeve and try and use it to play plazzy victim games

what's next? You going to go into a whinge about 'the war on Christmas'??

FFS GMAFB

and STOP trying to conflate radical communist regimes with basic social democracy

saying shite like that makes you look like a fool

that is dishonest as fuck and NO ONE is advocating for anything like the return of USSR or praising NoKo (well Trump LOVES him some Kim Jong Un)

President Trump Says He And Kim Jong-Un 'Fell In Love' | TIME

 

Now, if we want to get into death via the RW USA (and not even RW) and its historical white nationalist sentiments that people like Trump tap into

we can always take a quick tour of what happened to people of my racial makeup in the US for 400 plus years.

Hell, I would have been lynched more than likely (along with my wife) up until the 1960's in vast swathes of the southern US.

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Dead is a bit extreme me thinks. 

well (and I can pull up a multiplicity of other examples)

Tennessee Pastor Who Is Also a Sheriff's Detective Calls for L.G.B.T. People to Be Executed

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/15/us/knoxville-pastor-grayson-fritts.html

 

Grayson Fritts said in a sermon that people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender were “freaks” and “worthy of death.”

Grayson Fritts said in a sermon that people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender were “freaks” and “worthy of death.”Credit...Calvin Mattheis/Knoxville News Sentinel, via Associated Press

A Tennessee pastor who is also a detective said in a sermon this month that people who were lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender were “freaks” and “worthy of death,” comments that have prompted prosecutors to review cases he has investigated.

In the sermon, delivered on June 2, the pastor, Grayson Fritts, also called for the government to send a riot team to a Pride parade scheduled for June 22 in Knoxville. He said L.G.B.T. people should be arrested, tried, and if convicted, executed.

“That’s the problem with law enforcement nowadays,” he said in a video of the sermon posted by The Tennessee Holler. “They are chasing around cookie thieves, when the real animals are on floats rolling down Gay Street.”

Mr. Fritts is a pastor at All Scripture Baptist Church, which makes its stance on homosexuality known on its website: “A person will only burn in their lust toward the same gender if they have been given over to a reprobate or rejected mind. God said homosexuality should be punished with the death penalty, as set forth in Leviticus 20:13. No homosexual will be allowed to attend or join All Scripture Baptist Church.”

Mr. Fritts is also a detective at the Knox County Sheriff’s Office. His sermon prompted the Knox County district attorney’s office to examine cases that Mr. Fritts had worked on as a detective.

 

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Salvation Army Official: Gays Deserve Death

Just in time to ruin Gay Pride month, a media relations director for the Salvation Army had no problem reminding us and the queer journalists he was talking to that gays should be put to death.  

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/salvation-army-official-gays-deserve-death/321193/

Just in time to ruin Gay Pride month, a media relations director for the Salvation Army had no problem reminding us and the queer journalists he was talking to that gays should be put to death. In talking to Australian queer journalists Serena Ryan and Pete Dillon on their Salt and Pepper radio show (audio below which was picked up by Truth Wins Out's John Becker),  Major Andrew Craibe, a media relations director for one of the organization's Australian branches, had this exchange with the hosts: 

Ryan: According to the Salvation Army, [gay people] deserve death. How do you respond to that, as part of your doctrine?

Craibe:  Well, that’s a part of our belief system.

Ryan: So we should die.

Craibe: You know, we have an alignment to the Scriptures, but that’s our belief.

The doctrine they're referring to is, as Queerty's Dan Avery reports, the Salvation Story: Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine, which borrows heavily from Romans 1:18-32  and states:

For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error. . .

They know God’s decree, that those who practise such things deserve to die—yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practise them.

Until this weekend, Craibe's media presence had been mostly non-existent, his last remarks that we found were about children with disabilities, social and financial disadvantages, and their visit to a zoo--not something you would expect from a guy who sounds more or less like a hate monger. 

 

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