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1 minute ago, Tomo said:

Said goalscoring wingers Sterling and Mahrez got 6 and 7 goals respectively in their respective first seasons at City. So pretty much the same type of numbers as our players first season tallys (without even half the type of obstacles ours faced).

So if they can naturally evolve as players, why can't ours? 

Can a single one of our center midfielders pop in with 15+ like Gündogan did? Mount, Kova, Kante, and J5 won’t score that between all of them.

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2 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Can a single one of our center midfielders pop in with 15+ like Gündogan did? Mount, Kova, Kante, and J5 won’t score that between all of them.

Which is why it's crucial to get someone who can score 20+. Firmino get away so much from any criticism because Mane and Salah saved him many times.

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2 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Can a single one of our center midfielders pop in with 15+ like Gündogan did? Mount, Kova, Kante, and J5 won’t score that between all of them.

If Gundogan can do it, then why not someone like Jorginho? lol

Jokes aside, Gundogan's return of 17 goals last season feels like an anomaly considering he's never scored more than 6 goals in a season before last term. 

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1 minute ago, Pizy said:

Can a single one of our center midfielders pop in with 15+ like Gündogan did? Mount, Kova, Kante, and J5 won’t score that between all of them.

I would say Mount could very much evolve into a double figures scorer, he got 6 goals in half a season for Tuchel (which for context in itself matches Gundogan's best tally outside of last season).

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I suppose if Mount’s development explodes this season he could get into double figures. But Jorginho, Kante, and Kova shit the bed anytime they get near the box.

Kova and Jorginho look like they’ve never proactive shooting in their lives. Which is astounding considering how skilled they are everywhere else on the pitch.

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7 minutes ago, Jas said:

If Gundogan can do it, then why not someone like Jorginho? lol

Jokes aside, Gundogan's return of 17 goals last season feels like an anomaly considering he's never scored more than 6 goals in a season before last term. 

He could if we won many penalties like Fernandes.

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19 minutes ago, Artandur said:

Dortmund is publicly listed, negotiations with those kinds of clubs are done differently. Any real offer made would have to be publicly disclosed by Dortmund, which the club certainly do not want. Because of that its just tons of discussions and sounding out through intermediates, because you only want to make an official offer, once you are absolutely sure it will be accepted. Since Dortmund appear to be adamant about keeping him, the club probably will never make an offer this summer. Which does not mean they didnt try everything.

That's the problem though, the board solely focusing on Haaland could jeopardize our whole transfer window. The fact that we've wasted two whole months (June and July), where we could've offloaded fringe players like Zappa, Barkley, Drinkwater etc, and strengthened in other areas such as DM position(Rice/Tchouameni) and CB position(Kounde) is crazy. What did we really do this transfer window besides sell a couple youngsters? 

We should've done business earlier and signed a DM and CB by now so that we don't have to stress late in the window. Usually a selling club has the leverage late in the window, especially when the buying club really needs that player. We really need a DM and if we keep delaying it then we'll regret it 100%.

Besides, we've been talking to Dortmund for atleast 7 months now, because the news broke that we're interested in Haaland in January. The interest was there for so long, yet there's literally no progress which is mindboggling. We should start focusing on signing a CB/DM first and look at other strikers, because Lukaku/Haaland are very difficult deals to make. We need a plan C striker, because buying players late in the window is very difficult seeing as it's difficult for a selling club to replace their striker with minimal time left. So that's why I feel like we should sign a CB and a DM right now, and have a plan C striker ready as a backup incase Haaland/Lukaku don't sign.

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7 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

And still can't get the Kounde deal done....what a fuck on.

Don’t think we should worry about that deal. By all accounts Sevilla are more than willing and in fact pretty much have to sell to continue operating as they do (buying low and selling high). Everyone seems to think we’ll eventually get him.

 

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15 minutes ago, Azul said:

The fact that we've wasted two whole months (June and July), where we could've offloaded fringe players like Zappa, Barkley, Drinkwater etc, and strengthened in other areas such as DM position(Rice/Tchouameni) and CB position(Kounde) is crazy.

 

They are average players earning well above their pay grade. It was always going to be difficult, if not impossible, for them to find a home without taking a pay cut. 

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2 hours ago, Azul said:

What the hell? How come we've made two bids for Lukaku but we haven't made a single bid for Haaland? Very confusing stuff

because our board does not want to get rejected.

1 hour ago, Blues Forever said:

Yes, he was average when playing as a lone ST.

thank god we are not playing a lone st formation.

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3 hours ago, Clockwork said:

Jorginho has a 85% penalty success rate counting his record at club and country. Higher than Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Muller, Salah, etc. Only notable guys higher Ibra and maybe Hazard. Not sure on Hazard but he had higher percentage going back a few years.

Jorginho is statistically one of the best pen takers in the world.

 

Cant beat 100%

 

Anyway was mostly a cheap dig, nothing too serious, cause Jorginho did miss 3 last season.

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2 hours ago, Pizy said:

I suppose if Mount’s development explodes this season he could get into double figures. But Jorginho, Kante, and Kova shit the bed anytime they get near the box.

Kova and Jorginho look like they’ve never proactive shooting in their lives. Which is astounding considering how skilled they are everywhere else on the pitch.

Well, Mount is playing as one of the 3 attackers so he should be compared to Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech... He fights for position with them. Even wing backs are more offensive in our system than players in double pivot. If you add defenders on set pieces and Kounde/James bombing forward from RCB role I would say that Kova, Jorginho and Kante are last in the packing order in terms of goals expected. 

 

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26 minutes ago, We Hate Scouse said:

Not sold on Martinez. He looks good (not great) in a slow league. 

He would get bullied by PL defenders. Absolutely not the player we need. 

Look at the chances Werner missed throughout the season... He isn't exactly a bulldozing striker... so I'm sure Martinez would find similar chances and I'm sure a player of Martinez quality would have finished more off.

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the direction of development by the end of August is clear :

 the board fails to take an elite striker- in the last days of August we send offers to every second striker ready to be a reserve in the team -  Danny Ings, Gerard Moreno , Michail Antonio .

Havertz from false 9 becomes typical  number 9 

we agree that the fight for the top 4 is the maximum this year as well 

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4 minutes ago, milka said:

we agree that the fight for the top 4 is the maximum this year as well 

Then Tuchel would be worse than Lampard domestically.

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United  sold Lukaku for 80m 2years ago.

Now , Chelsea try to sign Lukaku  for 130m lol .

Good  job  Marina !

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3 hours ago, Tomo said:

If Conte didn't want them then why did he give them chance after chance? (He demonstrated with Michy that he had no qualms ignoring genuine board signings), Infact why did he look at reuniting with a couple of them at Inter?

Well what could he do with some of them? Who was behind Baka and Morata if they weren't picked? 

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1 minute ago, King Kante said:

Well what could he do with some of them? Who was behind Baka and Morata if they weren't picked? 

With Baka, he would have either ran Cesc or Kante to the ground (which he ended up doing once he finally gave up on him) or put Luiz there to prove a point. Conte was playing chicken the entire season to the point he borderline started throwing games and we're suppose to believe he would have persisted with a player barely doing the basics right had he been signed against his will? It just doesn't add up, in reality he would have exhausted literally every option possible before turning to him.

With Morata, false 9 until Oli arrived.

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