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2 hours ago, Pizy said:

Imagine believing we are deluded enough to bid for Chiesa, an Italian player playing for the top Italian side, after he was the standout player for the Euro winners. The fact that no other outlets or credible sources are reporting it says it all.

Sky are clearly bored since no big moves are happening so they’re spewing bs for clicks.

it is simple how/why so many teams (Pool, Bayern, etc) are being linked with Chiesa

keeping Mbappe listed as a CF

starting in 2022/23, theses are the ONLY truly elite wingers left atm who are under 30 years old

in bold means they are potentially available now


Jadon Sancho  
Raheem Sterling  
Marcus Rashford    
Phil Foden   
Federico Chiesa
Serge Gnabry   
Jack Grealish

step below those


Mikel Oyarzabal    
Kingsley Coman    

Diogo Jota
Ansu Fati  (and, IF he is perma fucked from his multiple knee injuries, he will come off this list) 
Mason Greenwood   
Ferran Torres    
Leroy Sané  (barely makes it)

 

that is literally it, unless you list Bukayo Saka as a winger, and he too, is not available

everyone in bold (except Sane I think)  has also been linked to us, although I cannot see us buying or being allowed to buy Sterling

btw, I did not include Ousmane Dembélé (I remain unconvinced) or any Chels players (as we already have Puli and I am not ready to list him as elite yet), and Hirving Lozano just misses my cutoff (although he would be a great buy for us IMHO)

so it really is just Chiesa and Grealish in the top of the top winger group who are actually available to us, thus the inevitable stories (made up or not)

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5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

English starlet ‘not willing’ to be a part of Chelsea deal for Erling Haaland

https://astamfordbridgetoofar.com/2021/07/16/callum-hudson-odoi-not-willing-to-be-part-of-Chelsea-deal-erling-haaland/

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Tbf we blocked him from moving to Bayern. Why would he want dortmund now? Furthermore, I don't think dortmund want to pay his wages. 

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2 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

class act, we are going to miss him

I almost always felt better seeing him coming onto the pitch

so hope he gets a shot to break Henry's French goal record

281 goals, 101 assists for club and country

likely will end up with over 400 goals produced

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Sell 

Zouma  Emerson  Zappacosta Bakayoko Barkley  RLC Tammy

buy

Haaland  Camavinga  Kounde 

 

Please   Queeeen  Marina .

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2 minutes ago, EMBii said:

Sell 

Zouma  Emerson  Zappacosta Bakayoko Barkley  RLC Tammy

buy

Haaland  Camavinga  Kounde 

 

Please   Queeeen  Marina .

HELL NO to Kounde

£69m for a dwarf CB?

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

class act, we are going to miss him

I almost always felt better seeing him coming onto the pitch

so hope he gets a shot to break Henry's French goal record

281 goals, 101 assists for club and country

likely will end up with over 400 goals produced

I think he was as good at the training ground and locker room as he was on the pitch for us. What an absolute professional in every sense.

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Koundes height isn't a massive issue. 

With that logic... Cannavaro and Carvalho would never have made it. 

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19 minutes ago, DDA said:

Koundes height isn't a massive issue. 

With that logic... Cannavaro and Carvalho would never have made it. 

Thiago Silva isn’t tall either and he’s had a stellar career. You don’t have to be a 6’5” monster to be a great CB.

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8 hours ago, avrobsws said:

I would get Lewandowski instead. He still has 2-3 years football left where as AG is close to a finished article. 

Apples and oranges. Lewa is still best striker in the world. Would cost +100m and that would mean no Haaland. We are talking about Griezmann on loan for a year before Haaland gets available. 

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7 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Thiago Silva isn’t tall either and he’s had a stellar career. You don’t have to be a 6’5” monster to be a great CB.

Silva, cannavaro, carvalho are rare breeds with insane anticipation and ability in the ball. Kounde relies on his athleticism more which will come up comparatively short in PL

also when there are tons of tall quality cbs on the market why spend a huge sums on the one dwarf. 

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2 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Silva, cannavaro, carvalho are rare breeds with insane anticipation and ability in the ball. Kounde relies on his athleticism more which will come up comparatively short in PL

also when there are tons of tall quality cbs on the market why spend a huge sums on the one dwarf. 

Never said I wanted us to sign him. Just that height isn’t much of a hindrance in my opinion. 

Koundé is very good on the ball and is extremely quick and athletic. May he be vulnerable on corners? Probably. But his other qualities make up for that shortcoming. Plus, we have plenty of tall players who are good in the air and a giant of a keeper.

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1 hour ago, DDA said:

Koundes height isn't a massive issue. 

With that logic... Cannavaro and Carvalho would never have made it. 

he is nowhere near that level of talent

and Ricardo Carvalho was 8 cms taller than Cannavaro so not a valid comparison

Cannavaro never had to deal consistently with an EPL type of aerial game

Kounde will get beaten about in the air in today's EPL, bullied by the typical brute EPL striker

we are not buying him, I am going out on a limb and calling that

we are not spending £69m (80m euro release clause that Sevilla will not budge on) on Kounde

this is where I draw the line in terms of advocating a buy

I predict big trouble if we shit away that level of cash on him

the height difference between Carvalho and Kounde is the same as between Kounde and Diego Carlos (hardly a towering CB, he is the same height as I am am)

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the height difference between Kounde and Giroud (for instance)

is roughly the same as that between Verratti and his ex GF Cindy Bruna

or between Kounde and Rudiger, (who is 12cm taller than Kounde), if you subtract her heels

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https://sevillafc.es/en/teams/first-team/j-kounde

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48 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Thiago Silva isn’t tall either and he’s had a stellar career. You don’t have to be a 6’5” monster to be a great CB.

Silva is 5 or 6 cms taller tha Kounde AND is one of the shortest regularly-playing CB's in the EPL

I never claimed you had to be 1.96m to be a great CB

but 18cm shorter than that is a big deal in the EPL

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Silva is 5 or 6 cms taller tha Kounde AND is one of the shortest regularly-playing CB's in the EPL

I never claimed you had to be 1.96m to be a great CB

but 18cm shorter than that is a big deal in the EPL

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Tuchel is developing a repetoire for playing short CBs, like Azpi and James. I think it's more likely we see Alonso at CB than Kounde though. He could be suitable for the RWB spot though. Probably better options out there though. 

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Apples and oranges. Lewa is still best striker in the world. Would cost +100m and that would mean no Haaland. We are talking about Griezmann on loan for a year before Haaland gets available. 

If we want Haaland then it's the window, next season we won't stand a chance. With Mbappe moving to Real probably, PSG will jump onto Haaland and probably a fight with City as well. We will be only spectators like monkeys.

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15 minutes ago, avrobsws said:

If we want Haaland then it's the window, next season we won't stand a chance. With Mbappe moving to Real probably, PSG will jump onto Haaland and probably a fight with City as well. We will be only spectators like monkeys.

If PSG wanted him/he wanted to go there they could just do it this season. Their owners wealth makes Roman look like a peasant. 

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Koundé isn’t 5’5”, ffs. He’s not Kante sized like @Vesper is making him out to be. Yes he shorter than you’d want a top class CB to be but I don’t think it’s a dealbreaker. Again, not saying I want to sign him but if we did I wouldn’t be complaining because of his height.

Also, despite his lack of height he’s built like an absolute tank. I think he’d be just fine in the PL.

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