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7 hours ago, Jas said:

Starting negotiations and announcing a deal during a summer international tournament are two different things though. 

Another thing to consider is that whether the club want to blow our entire transfer budget on one player (especially when you count the agent fees, wages on top of the transfer fee) OR use the money to improve other areas in the squad this summer. We still keep seeing stories about us being linked with other players and I can't see us buying those players if we get Haaland or can't see us buying Haaland if we get those players.

No offence to those players but all but two of them were irrelevant to the first team squad. So, I highly doubt their exits make any difference at all. And loaning Gilmour out might mean we'll buy a midfielder this summer.

Who is to say that we're not negotiating? Negotiates can be kept pretty discreet and we're probably the most discreet top club. 

No, they probably don't, but the fact of the matter is we have something like 70 players so the cull has to start somewhere and normally the easiest ones to be rid of are the first to go. As for the culling, the real issue is more wages than fees, so it is kind of a case of every little helps. 

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3 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Who is to say that we're not negotiating? Negotiates can be kept pretty discreet and we're probably the most discreet top club. 

Is this a known fact or what? Maybe my memory has failed me but I don't recall it being mentioned much in past years compared to now, almost as if people are trying to convince themselves something is really happening when it could be like 50-50. Last summer for instance, our pursuit of Havertz and Chilwell was public knowledge and everyone knew negotiations were taking place. 

Even if we somehow managed to not leak anything out to the media, I would be surprised if the media covering the opposing club didn't get any inkling something is happening. Some may point to the Werner transfer as something that happened out of the blue but he had a release clause and there was no need for long negotiations with Leipzig.

9 minutes ago, King Kante said:

As for the culling, the real issue is more wages than fees, so it is kind of a case of every little helps. 

Fair point but think we'll only start to feel its impact once we start to ditch the bigger deadwoods. 

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1 hour ago, Jas said:

Who else from Barcelona is on your shopping list? 😆

I'm thinking more along the lines of if Haaland ends up a no-go, the drop off in quality options is pretty significant and I wouldn't want the club spending big money on an alternative to their real top targets.

Therefore given Barca's position it may be an opportunity to just take a player off them on loan for a season if they're that desperate to let players go, and then we're not stuck next summer with a big money player who hasn't worked out but is preventing us going back in for our top targets.

I didn't realise Barca were paying Griezmann so much. Aguero is probably on £500k a week himself so it is probably pointless to even speculate!

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28 minutes ago, whats happening said:

there is no way aguero is on 500k

It was meant in a sarcastic manner. I assume he's probably on around 200k but who knows with what they're paying other players?!

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I would be happy with signing Camavinga. He can play understudy to Jorginho and Kovacic is cover for Kante. Even better would be signing Tchomenei as well and loaning Camavinga to Germany. That would solve the midfield problem that we saw under conte. Rice is a Drinkwater in this situation. 

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Can Paqueta play in our double pivot? Very interesting player.

I think he's a 10, as he had Casemiro and Fred behind him against Peru. 

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Can Paqueta play in our double pivot? Very interesting player.

AMF/No 10 (even perhaps a winger at times) type all the way

we scouted him pretty heavy a while back

the one Brasilian MFer who is a hybrid type DMF/CMF and could perform a double pivot role is one who I post all the time

his Lyon teammate and another lad we scouted, even more so I think

Bruno Guimarães (gee mo ryesh  gee pronounced like French name Guy)

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Guimaraes: 'I'm learning French'

 

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12 minutes ago, Blues Forever said:

Tapsoba suddenly dropped our name in his interview. He also recently did this.

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One club is gonna get lucky then. 🤪

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14 hours ago, Jas said:

Is this a known fact or what? Maybe my memory has failed me but I don't recall it being mentioned much in past years compared to now, almost as if people are trying to convince themselves something is really happening when it could be like 50-50. Last summer for instance, our pursuit of Havertz and Chilwell was public knowledge and everyone knew negotiations were taking place. 

Even if we somehow managed to not leak anything out to the media, I would be surprised if the media covering the opposing club didn't get any inkling something is happening. Some may point to the Werner transfer as something that happened out of the blue but he had a release clause and there was no need for long negotiations with Leipzig.

Fair point but think we'll only start to feel its impact once we start to ditch the bigger deadwoods. 

Well the thing with Werner was that everyone knew about the buyout and hardly anyone linked us. He was apparently nailed on for the Dippers. Ypu could add Pulisic to the list of discreet deals (also with Dortmund), Kepa (who was tracked for months if you believe the club; I don't on that one), Kovacic was also quietly done. If you go back further you have examples like Bosingwa who had no links at all then was announced on the website one day. 

So, yeah, I would say, when compared to other clubs were discreet (when placed in the context of world football industry.)

 

 

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12 hours ago, Hashishi said:

I would be happy with signing Camavinga. He can play understudy to Jorginho and Kovacic is cover for Kante. Even better would be signing Tchomenei as well and loaning Camavinga to Germany. That would solve the midfield problem that we saw under conte. Rice is a Drinkwater in this situation. 

Personally if we're going for a young CM I'd rather we just roll with Gallagher for CM4 and try and get Bellingham in a year or two. If not Gallagher then get someone like SMS who can actually score goals and provide assists from CM. In my opinion, with a 3atb system the need for a DM is limited (only reason I buy the Rice rumours is because he can also play CB.)

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Gallagher is very underrated, don't feel he's ready to be included though, he would be far better off going to another PL team for another year - Just not a relegation dog fight.

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3 hours ago, King Kante said:

Well the thing with Werner was that everyone knew about the buyout and hardly anyone linked us. He was apparently nailed on for the Dippers. Ypu could add Pulisic to the list of discreet deals (also with Dortmund), Kepa (who was tracked for months if you believe the club; I don't on that one), Kovacic was also quietly done. If you go back further you have examples like Bosingwa who had no links at all then was announced on the website one day. 

So, yeah, I would say, when compared to other clubs were discreet (when placed in the context of world football industry.

We were linked with Pulisic before we signed him and Kepa was more of a panic buy.

Either way, for every discreet transfer you mentioned there, there's always one that is public knowledge and we know negotiations are taking place. 

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