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11 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Haaland’s got the technical ability and time to improve his back to goal play but our biggest issue has been a lack of players in and around the box and conversion rates. I mean is Haalands hold up and link up play even that bad? Its not perfect but hardly poor either.

Haaland is clinical in the box and ultimately he’s more likely to go away from the ball than come to it a lot which opens up spaces for the other attacking players to operate in. Very similar to Costa for us with Jose and Conte. Haaland could end up leaving more spaces for Mount, Werner, Ziyech etc in between the lines by looking to get in behind teams meaning the CBs drop/follow him.

Where did I say Haaland is bad? I was simply disagreeing with MoroccanBlue’s point about the striker not needing to be part of our buildup play and that the striker getting involved in the buildup play was the cause of our poor conversion rate last season.

And getting players in and around the box wasn’t a problem last season. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have got to miss so many chances!

11 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

City and Liverpool are different examples because they have wide 2 players who come run in behind teams to get in the box without fail. Whilst its admirable, don’t forget people have criticised Liverpool and Firmino for not scoring goals (especially this season). City wouldn’t be trying to sign Kane or linked with Haaland if Pep didn’t think they needed a proper number 9, or else they would of kept going the way they did likely and offered Aguero an extension to be a back up. 

People only criticized Firmino for not scoring goals last season because Mane’s goals suddenly dried up. No one said anything when Mane and Salah were plundering goals in the seasons before last.

As for Kane…

1 hour ago, Jas said:

Regarding Kane, one could argue that he's not much of a typical #9 these days considering his tendency to drop deep to link up play, create chances for others etc. He's more like a half 9, half 10 these days, which may explain why Guardiola is going after him given his tendency to not really play with a typical #9.

 

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8 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

That makes it sound like he's not a priority target for us, and only really an attractive option if it allows us to move players on to Inter that we no longer want.

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19 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Unless we're planning on pulling a Willian on PSG like we did Spuds, no it doesn't. Romano is the only Twit person I listen to. 

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55 minutes ago, Jas said:

Where did I say Haaland is bad? I was simply disagreeing with MoroccanBlue’s point about the striker not needing to be part of our buildup play and that the striker getting involved in the buildup play was the cause of our poor conversion rate last season.

And getting players in and around the box wasn’t a problem last season. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have got to miss so many chances!

People only criticized Firmino for not scoring goals last season because Mane’s goals suddenly dried up. No one said anything when Mane and Salah were plundering goals in the seasons before last.

As for Kane…

 

Mane’s goals dried up which is why having a natural CF in and around the box is better no? Liverpool still created chances just lacked someone to put them in the net because Firmino was probably positioned more as a number 10.

Kane wont really need to drop deep at City though as often to the extent he does for Spurs. Obviously he will do his bit and that, more than Aguero or Jesus but I mean why would he need to do it as often when creative players like Foden, de Bruyne, Bernardo Silva, Gundogan etc are going to be there and putting chances on a plate for him? It would be baffling if he did it as frequently as at Spurs in that team. Spurs were lacking creativity in midfield to get Son and Bale in behind teams which probably contributed to why Kane dropped deep on top of Mourinho’s approach. And even then he did it for god knows how long after their good start with Jose (most of his assists came in the first half of the season IIRC, 10 of the 14 before December. 4 alone v Southampton where they played that suicide high line which is one of the stupidest defensive performances I think I have ever seen) and all it really did was take away from Spur’s attacking play (also Mourinho's set up didn’t help but I mean how you meant to go a bit longer/over the top if your CF is playing as a number 10 in his own half?) 

I get a CF has to be of a decent standard at linking up the play but the likes of Haaland etc we aren’t talking League 2 levels here. Most of these top CFs/options we will look at will probably all play in fairly good teams where they need to do more than just score goals. Its almost a prerequisite now a days for strikers. So if they are very good at it or average at it, as long as they score goals regularly, that will be more important. 100%.

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Sounds like like we tentatively sniffed around Hakimi and tried to tempt Inter with one of our players but they aren’t really feeling it. PSG look to be much more serious and will stump up the cash in the end to get him. Don’t think we were ever going to spend 70-80m on a wingback. It was only a possibility for us if Alonso or Emerson was a sweetener to lower the price.

Adama it is, I guess.

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4 hours ago, King Kante said:

For me it is Håland or bust. If we do not get him, then roll with Tammy/Giroud we don't need anymore Batsh*t or Morata nonsense. 

 

At an absolute push, and this requires massive money rolling in for Tammy and a decent fee for Giroud (who I would keep regardless), maybe, go for Silva who has a reported €35m buyout. However, I am not even keen on that. I mean as I am writing this, I would say I may even prefer Giroud plus Broja and have Havertz play the false 9 all year. 

What we need to avoid is buying 'squad players'/'second options'. That shite has got us the likes of Sidwell, Boularouz, Drinky, Benayoun, Batsh*t, Zappa, Emerson etc down the years. No more of that nonsense please. 

Everything that has come out in recent weeks seem to point to Tuchel wanting his first choice targets or nothing, which is music to my ears.

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2 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

PSG could increase their bid to €75m with add ons included.

I think, it's better to focus on other alternatives and Haaland mainly.  City are coughing up for both Kane and Haaland, if this is true then we need to act first.

https://www.si.com/soccer/manchestercity/transfer-rumours/man-city-ready-to-pay-over-200m-for-two-strikers-this-summer-pep-guardiola-asks-chairman-for-duo
 

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6 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Expected unfortunately watch us pay 30 or something for that complete fraud at Wolves.

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Would be funny if we do not get Haaland and Hakimi lol. Tuchel probably furious then. He hates it when he does not get his wish transfers

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7 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Mane’s goals dried up which is why having a natural CF in and around the box is better no? Liverpool still created chances just lacked someone to put them in the net because Firmino was probably positioned more as a number 10.

I don't see what Mane's goals drying up has to do with having a CF or not when that approach has worked for Liverpool under Klopp. It just so happened that Mane suddenly had an average season - in a pandemic season no less - and it's also why Klopp bought another option in Jota but he got injured and missed out for several months.

7 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Kane wont really need to drop deep at City though as often to the extent he does for Spurs. Obviously he will do his bit and that, more than Aguero or Jesus but I mean why would he need to do it as often when creative players like Foden, de Bruyne, Bernardo Silva, Gundogan etc are going to be there and putting chances on a plate for him? It would be baffling if he did it as frequently as at Spurs in that team. Spurs were lacking creativity in midfield to get Son and Bale in behind teams which probably contributed to why Kane dropped deep on top of Mourinho’s approach. And even then he did it for god knows how long after their good start with Jose (most of his assists came in the first half of the season IIRC, 10 of the 14 before December. 4 alone v Southampton where they played that suicide high line which is one of the stupidest defensive performances I think I have ever seen) and all it really did was take away from Spur’s attacking play (also Mourinho's set up didn’t help but I mean how you meant to go a bit longer/over the top if your CF is playing as a number 10 in his own half?) 

Maybe Kane won't need to drop so deep but it's still known that Guardiola tends to like someone who can drop deep, link up play, create chances for others etc to have that fluidity going forward as opposed to someone just sticking around the box waiting for the ball to come.

7 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

I get a CF has to be of a decent standard at linking up the play but the likes of Haaland etc we aren’t talking League 2 levels here. Most of these top CFs/options we will look at will probably all play in fairly good teams where they need to do more than just score goals. Its almost a prerequisite now a days for strikers. So if they are very good at it or average at it, as long as they score goals regularly, that will be more important. 100%.

Missing the point again...

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56 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Would be funny if we do not get Haaland and Hakimi lol. Tuchel probably furious then. He hates it when he does not get his wish transfers

Yes, Tuchel could implode like Conte in 17/18. 

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9 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

If true, we need to stop fucking about and just get it done. The only other RWB who is doable AND potentially at Hakimi level (Silas) is out with a knee injury and needs to be watched to see if he recovers. All others after those 2 are not at their level (Hakimi) or potential, pre injury level (Silas).

I am going to be gutted if PSG pulls Hakimi. He is a best in world (at a specific position, in his case right wingback) vision target, as is Håland (in a year or two for Erling, as Lewa will fade, and he will become the best pure CF).

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6 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

 

If the negotiations for Tomori were anything to go by, Milan won't get anywhere with this.

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1 hour ago, Jas said:

If the negotiations for Tomori were anything to go by, Milan won't get anywhere with this.

Yeah, they'll be telling Ziyech on one hand he is world class, whilst on the other asking us for a loan with us covering 50% of his wages. 

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