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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

AWB is best defensively, TAA offensively. He didn't call either last time. Weird guy. Also I don't think you can ask for better than Grealish LW (if he is fit and back in form) and Sancho RW but he will go with something like Sterling and Mount. 

But on the flipside AWB is easily the worst offensively and TAA the worst defensively.

I think it's incredibly important a full back is capable of doing both sides of the game and I think that's why Southgate has other preferences at right back to those two as James and Walker in particular are better all rounders on both sides of the game.

Southgate has a lot of options in attack. Assuming Henderson won't be fit (and longer term anyway), if he were to play some form of 4-3-3 I think it should be Rice, Bellingham and Mount if you're looking to be more solid (and Foden within the front three) and against teams you're expecting to be on the front foot and dominate against I'd go with Rice, Mount and Foden. With the 26 man squad I think Southgate can take a chance with Henderson and Grealish being in it but both have been out a long time I'd be surprised if either started the tournament.

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I'm worried about him now, expectations have now become far too high. Soon as he hits as bad run of form the impatient crew who have systematically blasted Mason and Tammy will make this thread a

A 18 year old making his debut as a sub for 20 minutes and you're writing him off I've never heard something so ridiculous. How the fuck can someone be called ordinary when you've seen him play for 20

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1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

But on the flipside AWB is easily the worst offensively and TAA the worst defensively.

I think it's incredibly important a full back is capable of doing both sides of the game and I think that's why Southgate has other preferences at right back to those two as James and Walker in particular are better all rounders on both sides of the game.

According to David Ornstein earlier this week, Southgate will call up Walker, Trippier and James for his RB options.

Regarding TAA, I don't watch international games these days and so, I don't really have a clear inkling on how he fares for England but I wonder if it's fair to argue whether TAA's form/performance is a byproduct of Klopp's system. The way he plays allows the FBs to shine, it makes the FBs as the creators in that Liverpool team. Southgate has a different way of playing and likely views TAA differently, on top of his defensive deficiencies. 

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Totally forgot Scotland are in the same group with England and Croatia.

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Reported Newcastle loan target Billy Gilmour would put Jonjo Shelvey under serious pressure

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According to the Northern Echo, Newcastle are interested in signing Billy Gilmour on loan from Chelsea.

The Magpies have reportedly enquired about the Scottish midfielder, as well as Tammy Abraham.

Of course, they will only be able to sign one of the two on loan.

A move for Abraham will surely be too difficult. The striker is out of favour at Stamford Bridge, and seems set to leave this summer.

According to the Daily Mail, he is resigned to leaving Chelsea.

Tammy Abraham seems like an unrealistic loan target for Newcastle.

However, his £40million price tag will put him out of our reach. And a permanent move rather than another loan seems better suited to both parties.

But a loan move for Gilmour seems much more achievable. And he could be the Jonjo Shelvey replacement some fans are craving.

Gilmour could be perfect loan addition for Newcastle

The 19-year-old has impressed during his limited first-team appearances at Chelsea. He would have played even more had it not been for injury.

Gilmour certainly impressed his former manager Frank Lampard, who tipped him to be a ‘huge player’ for Chelsea.

Gilmour played a role in Chelsea's Champions League triumph this season.

The youngster operates in a deep midfield role, and is capable of transitioning the play from defence to attack.

That is exactly what Shelvey’s role is at Newcastle. However, his influence has somewhat waned in recent years.

As time has gone by, Shelvey has become far less influential possession. Meanwhile, he is often criticised for his work off the ball.

But despite fan concerns, Shelvey is a constant figure under Steve Bruce.

He has no competition in the role he plays, but that would change if Gilmour arrived.

The midfielder could play alongside Shelvey. However, in the system we ended the season with, Gilmour seems perfectly suited to the number eight’s role.

There would be a disadvantage though, as Gilmour is so highly rated at Chelsea that we would likely have no chance of ever signing him permanently.

A loan deal for Billy Gilmour would put Jonjo Shelvey under serious pressure at Newcastle.

But with money set to be tight this summer, we just have to take what we can get.

Newcastle fans should be able to get a closer look at Gilmour this summer, especially when Scotland face England on June 18th.

Despite boasting zero caps, he is part of the Scotland squad for the delayed Euros.

Whether he performs at the Euros or not, Gilmour would be a fantastic addition on loan for Newcastle.

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Played 10 mins or so, did alright not enough time in the game to really make an impression. 

Free kick given for their equaliser in like the 87th minute was piss poor. Depay was on the ground more than on his feet. 

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May be an unpopular opinion, but its quite sad to see how he has regressed over the last 6 months or so, maybe a touch longer. Result of not getting regular game time or feeling not valued perhaps. Still got bags of talent, but seriously needs a good loan spell to a footballing side, not a relegation dog fight.

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hace 1 minuto, MoroccanBlue dijo:

I'd like to see him at Leeds. 

Don't think he will get played ahead of Kalvin Phillips in that number 6 position or even the boy Klich for them but maybe would get in ahead of Stuart Dallas. Depends though. Bound to be other good teams he could go, wouldnt even need to be PL. Could easily go Bundesliga and handle himself excellently I think.

hace 5 minutos, DH1988 dijo:

May be an unpopular opinion, but its quite sad to see how he has regressed over the last 6 months or so, maybe a touch longer. Result of not getting regular game time or feeling not valued perhaps. Still got bags of talent, but seriously needs a good loan spell to a footballing side, not a relegation dog fight.

I find it odd you say regressed.

I mean unless you watched the youth team/reserves or Scotland u21s, your effectively basing him off the two games v Liverpool and Everton last season, which aye were great games but obviously, he is a young player, they have these highs and lows in performance level.

Injury maybe put a speed bump in his path but he’s hardly dropped off enough to say he’s regressed and I think it’s probably fairer to say he’s just not had two games like his first 2 starts. Actually thought he played decently enough v Arsenal and City, as well as second half v Fulham when he was playing 1 v 2 the whole time as Mason was basically playing as a auxiliary left winger

Bit unsure how you’ve come to this conclusion. Unless you are of course comparing his standard based on 2 great games, which if a senior player had played like that it would be the same, which he received great amount of.

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Maybe Norwich would be a good choice for him. They play some decent football but they just really need players of higher calibre in order to execute their game plan in the Premier League as well (or else it's gonna end up in a disaster like their last time in the PL).

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Subbed on at HT v Luxembourg then taken off after maybe 25 minutes, did really well though.

Think he got some sort of wee knock, maybe nothing serious but one of those with the Euros starting up next week just precautionary taking him off hopefully. 

Would say his cameos in both games maybe puts him in a decent position to start if Steve Clarke is bold enough, although even as a option off the bench he’s good to have. The same for Nathan Patterson who was excellent and looked miles ahead of Stephen O’Donnell as out RB. 

Lots of optimism for the Euros!

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10 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Subbed on at HT v Luxembourg then taken off after maybe 25 minutes, did really well though.

Think he got some sort of wee knock, maybe nothing serious but one of those with the Euros starting up next week just precautionary taking him off hopefully. 

Would say his cameos in both games maybe puts him in a decent position to start if Steve Clarke is bold enough, although even as a option off the bench he’s good to have. The same for Nathan Patterson who was excellent and looked miles ahead of Stephen O’Donnell as out RB. 

Lots of optimism for the Euros!

If he has a good Euros he should get a decent loan. Personally, I would be tempted to send him to Spain. 

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hace 5 minutos, King Kante dijo:

If he has a good Euros he should get a decent loan. Personally, I would be tempted to send him to Spain. 

Maybe.

Ultimately it depends on how the Euros goes, we all hate to say it but these big tournaments are good and bad for clubs: injuries, discovery of new players, players having great tournaments etc.

I think he will contribute for Scotland, he looked much better than Callum McGregor did which I was surprised with but he also was poor v Holland. Will see if he starts but I think he still has to compete with David Turnbull also for a role in the MF 3 and DT is much more of a creative player than we have in the other options I would say, who didn’t start today or play at all, so it will be interesting. 

I think in all likelihood he will probably get a loan of some sort but who’s to say he doesn’t have an amazing euros and come back and start for us? I think after the Euros it will be clearer. The teams got to be right, no point sending him to Burnley or Newcastle for instance without being too disrespectful but they dont play through their midfield as often, normally going more direct to the frontmen.

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‘I just thought I’ve never seen a young boy like this in my life’: The scout who found an eight-year-old Billy Gilmour 

https://theathletic.com/2641052/2021/06/11/billy-gilmour-rangers-Chelsea-euro-2020/

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Scott Bryson knew he had seen enough but he couldn’t help but watch every kick on a Saturday morning in 2009.

After so many years scouting the top talent in Ayrshire for Kilmarnock and by this point Rangers, however, he was determined to disguise his presence and not draw attention to the diminutive figure in the yellow jersey of TASS Thistle, who seemed to own every blade of grass on a seven-a-side pitch at Ardeer Recreational Park.

He wanted to keep this talent a secret so he moved to the 11-a-side game taking place further along, adjacent to the four smaller games in the background.

What was happening immediately in front of him became a blur. His eyes were fixed on this one boy in the distance.

Unsure if he was the only scout in attendance, his new position was simply a ruse to throw others off the scent such as Jim Began, his good friend and Celtic counterpart, who has been scouring the same places for decades. He had every reason to be paranoid.

“It was like a magnet,” he says.

“I tend to walk about and look at all the games but that day something just kept drawing my head back to him. There was just something about him that looked like he had been playing the game for years. He had a great appetite and was always looking to be involved.

“Sometimes you get a gut feeling for somebody. You just can’t describe it. I just thought, ‘I’ve never seen a young boy like this in my life’.”

Bryson makes a list of every team at every age group in the area and over the course of the season works his way through every team so he has peace of mind that he has cast his net so wide no team or talent can escape unnoticed.

The pitfall of doing it alphabetically, though, is that TASS is towards the end of the queue.

“You were just hoping there was no one else watching him,” he says. “Some boys you might go back to watch two or three times but with Billy you didn’t need another look. That’s the way he had me.

“When you see someone you like you look to the parents to see if they are talking to anyone in particular. I spoke to the TASS coach at the end of the game as you get to know them.

“The wee boy there?”, I said.

“Billy Gilmour,” he said.

“He’s terrific, I’ve never seen an appetitive like that in a young boy”.

Bryson has built a reputation as possessing a great eye given he has identified boys who went on to play in the Rangers first team including Ross McCrorie, Robby McCrorie, Tom Walsh, Rory Loy and Jamie Ness, while he also advised Rangers to pinch Barrie McKay from Kilmarnock as a teenager.

There are others who have made a career elsewhere like Matthew Kennedy, Greg Kiltie and Ross Stewart but he is quick to stress that no one gets every recommendation right. Gilmour was outstanding as an eight-year-old that day but Bryson only takes three or four boys to Rangers each year due to how exceptional they need to be.

“It’s like trying to have a crystal ball to imagine what these boys are going to be like in the future but he looks just the same. It sounds funny but you watch a boy playing and you try to imagine him playing in a Rangers shirt to see whether he is going to fit.

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Scott Bryson with Gilmour at a game in Kilwinning in 2017 after he had signed for Chelsea.

“I’ve never taken someone in with the same enthusiasm for the game of football. It was colossal.

“Boys will say they want to be a football player when they grow up. Billy said that too but he really did want to be a football player.”

Bryson was so excited by what he had seen that he took Gilmour and his parents, Billy and Carrie, to the training ground that day to show them around. “His mum enjoyed it as she’s a Rangers fan but his dad is a Celtic fan,” he says, laughing.

Gilmour was training and playing for Rangers but, as he was too young to sign a contract, he was free to explore other interested clubs. He played with Celtic too for a period but after working under Jimmy McNee, who was head of the children’s academy, he chose Rangers.

“I’ll always be thankful I went to Ardeer that day,” says Bryson. “I’ll probably never have another player like that.”


Gilmour was tipped for stardom from an early age but it is very rarely a smooth ascent all the way to the top. A serious knee injury aside in July 2020 aside, which kept him out for six months, that is exactly what his career has been like so far though.

He turns 20 today and put in a terrific 30-minute cameo against Luxembourg last week after making his international debut in Scotland’s 2-2 draw with Holland.

Steve Clarke is facing growing calls to start him in the heart of midfield on Monday when they start their Euro 2020 campaign against Czech Republic. It would mark another big milestone in a career that has so far been defined by making the step up before his time.

He played for Rangers under-21s at 15, made his Scotland under-17 debut in the same year, his under-19 debut the year later and, to show just how his unique talent has expediated his rise, his under-21 debut came six months before that at just 17.

In that age group the older Premiership-hardened players in Lewis Ferguson and Allan Campbell would acquiesce the playmaking responsibilities to Gilmour, who still looked like a boy but controlled the game like a veteran.

Since joining Chelsea in 2017 he has continued to progress and defy the doubters who thought he may stall but the eight years he spent at Rangers before that is what shaped him and in that time he made an impression on every coach and team-mate who witnessed his rise.

Harry Cochrane grew up playing with Gilmour in midfield for the best part of five years before he found his game time limited and moved to Hearts at under-13 level.

“He’s always been the best. Technically, at every age group, he was up there,” he says.

“The one thing I remember is that he never loses the ball. No one knows how he does it. He just has it in the right place that they can’t take it off him.

“He’s wee but he can jump so high. He had a mental spring that meant he could beat centre-halves to the ball.

“Everyone just knew he was unbelievable and even he sort of knew it too. He used to walk with confidence but not in a bad way. It can make a difference when you play with that belief.

“We played at the Mundialito tournament. We beat Real Madrid 4-0 and he scored an overhead kick. I’ve got it on DVD. He was the best player on the park and we were just better than them.”

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Gilmour with the European Cup (Photo: Darren Walsh/Chelsea FC via Getty Images)

Gilmour was part of the 2001 group which also contained fellow Scotland debutant Nathan Patterson, who has enjoyed a spectacular last six months since thriving in Steven Gerrard’s side in the second half of the season.

They were an outstanding side who were used to winning by big margins most weeks before the gaps narrowed as they get older but with Gilmour, his profile got bigger once he starred in the Milk Cup and the Victory Shield.

Ricky Waddell, who is now head coach at Lowland League side Caledonian Braves, coached him for 18 months and found himself being conscious of the need to ensure he was testing Gilmour with his sessions, such was his ability.

“With big players they always have one big attribute and Billy’s was his awareness and the second was his passing,” Waddell says. “Put him under pressure, he’s got the tools and the awareness to get out of it easily but he was never a dribbler.

“He played like he does now, just controlling the game and finding space, playing like he has a camera attached to his head that he can see the whole pitch.

“He had that star quality then and not many do. (David) Turnbull did when I was at Motherwell. They just don’t let anything faze them.”

As much as Gilmour’s technical qualities and ability to dictate play is what makes him such an exciting prospect, it is his attitude that all of his coaches return to.

He may be small in stature but that has never been the case when it comes to his combativeness on the pitch or imposing his personality, as Waddell remembers.

“One boy came in who was, let’s say, a bit of a rogue,” he says.

“He tried to have a bit of a go as I think he was a bit jealous of Billy and his stature within the club. Billy is a good kid and wasn’t big-headed but this lad came in and tried to bring him down a peg or two and was niggling away at training.

“Billy got on with it but the next morning I was told Billy pulled the boy up in the changing room and put him in his place to say that wasn’t on. It showed a bit of character and that he was no shrinking violet.”

In terms of just how outstanding he was during these years, several scouts cite Barry Ferguson in the 1990s as the last Scottish youth player to be head and shoulders above his team-mates and opposition the way Gilmour was.

Craig Mulholland, who is now head of academy at Rangers, saw Gilmour across his entire spell at the club and says it was at around 11 and 12 that Gilmour’s name started to come up every week in meetings.

By 13 and 14 it was clear he was performing at an exceptional level and that is when the enduring memory of the midfielder is from: doing extra fitness work early in the morning and after dinner time, speaking to analysts about clips from his games and asking questions.

“We made the decision to allow him to train with the first team at 15 and play with the development squad but you were allowed overage players at that point so it was more like a reserve team,” says Mulholland.

“Because of his physique it was a question of, ‘Is it safe for him to go and play?’, but I remember the night he played against Dundee in a game that James McPake (now Dundee manager) was just returning from injury in.

“Watching this wee slight lad you were thinking, ‘Are we doing the right thing here?’, but he just took to it. He could handle the ball and he could handle himself. A lot of that probably comes from watching his dad playing juniors in Ayrshire and being around dressing rooms — if you speak to Billy Snr now he always says he’s still the best footballer in the house!

“The following game when he played up against Hibs it looked like a boy was going to come in high on him but Billy just dealt with it before he came in and he ended up being sent off. While we would never encourage that, it showed his competitive spirit.

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Gilmour playing for Rangers against Celtic in the Scottish Youth Cup in 2017 (Photo: Ian MacNicol/Getty Images)

“You could see he could receive the ball, you could see his release skills, you could see he could scan, he simplified his game against the older players to make it a lot of one touch stuff and around the corner stuff as he had that awareness.

“He also wasn’t shy if someone gave him a whack or a thud. He got a few vs Dundee but he just bounced back up. I’m sure he was probably sore but he was determined to say, ‘Nah, I’m going to get back up and play again’. It’s one of his strengths but also testament to the staff throughout the programme that he had those attributes to handle it.”

Gilmour started training with the first team at Rangers during Mark Warburton’s spell as manager. He had a background in youth development having set up the NextGen series and had implemented a heavy possession-based style of play at the club.

“He would lose it and make mistakes but he had that desire to get it back quickly and try it again,” says Mulholland. “At that point in our academy journey that was quite a cultural shift as one of our key principles was that we need to allow the kids the space to make those mistakes, otherwise they’ll never try it again. Billy went and tried loads of things and made a million mistakes but what we should be proud of is that we gave him that environment to undertake that learning.”

“One of the key things we spoke to Billy about, and any young player, is that there is research from the European Club Association and the Belgium FA that says moving to a different country before 18 is significantly detrimental to your ability to play in a top league. That was a study of 1,700 players so what we are encouraging young Scottish players to do is stay with their parent club until then and then move.

“When you look at all those statistics and the number of boys who move, the fact that he has bucked that trend and become the outlier against definite research is testament to the uniqueness he has.”

Rangers had several meetings with Gilmour and his parents in an attempt to keep him but when Chelsea put forward their case he chose to go to the London club.

“You work closely with the boy and the parents and a number of clubs. If there is a point when you think the boy is no longer going to remain at the club what you need to do is get the best commercial deal for Rangers. At that point, you then speak to other clubs.

“The deal we got was a significant number at the time and has some more significant add-ons after that, which are a positive for Rangers. It has a really good sell-on so every time he does well with Chelsea or makes his debut for Scotland, for example, there is a further return for Rangers which justifies the investment in the academy.

“It’s not part of the business model we ever want as we want to retain our best talent and get them to the first team as there is even more value there but in every academy in the world we will always have players leave as part of player trading.”

When it came to leaving he once again proved to Peter MacDonald, his coach at the time, that he had an elite mentality that he had never come across before.

“He knew he was the best but he had earned the right to think that by how he backed it up.

“It was the last day of the season and he hadn’t signed but it was fitness testing time. He probably knew he was likely to be leaving and therefore didn’t have to smash it but the type of character that he is, he went and won it.”

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