MoroccanBlue 3,478 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Not a matter of if, just a matter of when Jorginho will cost us results because of his immobility and poor defensive errors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper 21,940 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Chelsea manager Thomas Tuchel sets challenge for Scotland starlet Billy Gilmour https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/Chelsea-manager-thomas-tuchel-sets-challenge-for-scotland-starlet-billy-gilmour/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Armour 3,092 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 23 hours ago, James said: Well, considering he almost went out on loan in January, I'm just glad that he is still in the frame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
killer1257 3,229 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I am still not sure why he did not go on loan. He will probably only play FA cup matches. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper 21,940 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 22 minutes ago, killer1257 said: I am still not sure why he did not go on loan. He will probably only play FA cup matches. my head spins at how many payers we have and are balancing all over Europe and the UK. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
killer1257 3,229 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) Billy will play for the U23 today. So basically, we wasted his potential for this season Edited March 1 by killer1257 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper 21,940 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 13 hours ago, killer1257 said: Billy will play for the U23 today. So basically, we wasted his potential for this season Yes, he so should have been loaned out. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomo 20,268 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 21 hours ago, killer1257 said: Billy will play for the U23 today. So basically, we wasted his potential for this season He's 19. For example of that great Barca team under Pep that had a load of academy players in only Messi was a regular before 20 while Pedro, Puyol and Valdez didn't even make their debut until they were in their 20's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneMoSalah 7,370 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tomo said: He's 19. For example of that great Barca team under Pep that had a load of academy players in only Messi was a regular before 20 while Pedro, Puyol and Valdez didn't even make their debut until they were in their 20's. Exactly. People are freaking out over nothing. Yes he could of went on loan but I think he will get minutes with Tuchel. Games v Liverpool, Everton, Leeds and Atletico Madrid are coming up in the space of 2 weeks and with Mount and Jorginho out of the Atletico game, Tuchel will perhaps try and manage Kante, Kovacic and Jorginho’s minutes as undoubtedly Kovacic and Kante will play v Atletico from the beginning due to Jorginho’s suspension. So we hopefully will see more of Billy. Also out of the guys Lampard gave debuts to/more prominent roles in the team to, how many were 18/19? Tammy, Reece, Mason and Fikayo weren’t IIRC. Would be panicking more if he was in Abraham’s position or Ruben’s, being 23 or over and missing match day squads or being loaned out at 24 or 25. Edited March 2 by OneMoSalah 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magic Lamps 9,445 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Obviously safety first is the main theme of Tuchel's beginning here so we should not expect to see too much of him rn. But his time will come. Against not so physical teams i can totally see him work next to Kovacic. Esp against low blocks he has shown that he is better at playing through the lines than any of our midfielders. I do not htinkhe will have too much of a long term future here tho if we stick with Tuchel 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneMoSalah 7,370 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Jason said: Bit contradictory considering midfield is arguably our strongest area for the NT. But again I suppose TT isn’t to know that. I really dont see why Steve Clarke should pick someone not playing ahead of the guys he picks. Plus Steve Clarke has just spoken about moving McTominay back into MF on a podcast - who has made a huge improvement under OGS and plays virtually every week - due to other centre backs doing well. I hope Billy makes the euros squad but its highly unlikely right now considering his lack of minutes and the likes of John McGinn, Scott McTominay, Callum McGregor, Stuart Armstrong and John Fleck all playing regularly. Theres still a slim chance if there are injuries or if he plays virtually every week but he wont at this rate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
King Kante 716 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I think he has a good chance starting against WBA. Kova is going to play the whole international round and Kante has a minor injury (which I believe is not anything.) Would not be surprised to see him start with Jorgi or Kante against WBA and then Kova and one of Jorgi/Kante against Porto. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NikkiCFC 5,848 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 7 hours ago, King Kante said: Kova is going to play the whole international round On the bench today. Nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper 21,940 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Wednesday April 7 2021 Matt Law's Chelsea briefing Talented midfielder is having to bide his time under Thomas Tuchel - but such patience could be rewarded By Matt Law, Football News Correspondent One of the last questions Frank Lampard faced before his Chelsea dismissal was on the future of Billy Gilmour. The 19-year-old had just produced a superb performance in Chelsea’s FA Cup victory over Luton Town and clubs were clamouring to take him on loan towards the end of the January transfer window. Lampard’s position had been that he would consider a loan move for Gilmour to help his prospects of getting into Scotland’s squad for this summer’s European Championship. But everything changed when Lampard was sacked the next day and Thomas Tuchel immediately took over with the brief of trying to finish the season with Champions League qualification and a trophy run. More than two months since Tuchel’s arrival at Stamford Bridge, Gilmour has only appeared in two games since the Luton success, both in the FA Cup, in comparison to his five appearances before it. Under Lampard, Gilmour had featured in the Premier League and the Champions League, but he is yet to play in either competition for Tuchel and was left out of the squad for Wednesday night’s Champions League quarter-final first-leg tie against Porto. Gilmour was also omitted from the Scotland squad for their last round of games, which has left him fearing that his dream of playing for his country at a major tournament this summer is fading. So did Gilmour make the wrong decision by seeing out the season under Tuchel? According to those around the gifted Scotsman, no. It is understood that after being left out of Tuchel’s first squad for the goalless draw against Wolverhampton Wanderers, Gilmour spoke with the Chelsea head coach about how his development might be best handled. He initially thought that a loan move was the most attractive option, but Tuchel convinced him that working with him every day at the training ground and learning how he wanted Chelsea to play would stand him in good stead going forwards. There was also a feeling that Gilmour may be able to break into the Scotland squad without playing every week and there remains some confusion over why manager Steve Clarke did not at least have a close look at the youngster in training during the last international break. Gilmour has proved with every appearance, however irregular, that he is good enough to be part of the Scotland squad, but Clarke has stressed that time is on his side and it may now be that the Euros come just a bit too soon. That will undoubtedly be a disappointment if that turns out to be the case, but Gilmour is confident that he has done the best thing for his Chelsea career and also his long-term prospects by sticking around and learning from Tuchel. Having served four months under Tuchel by the end of the season, Gilmour will be in the perfect position to make the right call, together with the club, on the next phase of his development. That may well be another season at Stamford Bridge with the promise of playing more regularly if another midfielder departs, or it may be a season-long loan to a Premier League club at a time when he can make a carefully considered decision, rather than rushing into taking what is available - as would have been the case in January. Fikayo Tomori has benefitted from waiting patiently before eventually going on loan to AC Milan. Playing the long-game could also work to the advantage of Gilmour in years to come, even though, unlike in the case of Tomori, there is no prospect of Chelsea including an option to buy in any potential loan agreement for Gilmour. Tuchel’s next big decision over Gilmour will be whether or not to start him against Manchester City in next weekend’s semi-final of the FA Cup, the competition in which he has so far started in every round. His patience deserves that reward. Got a question on Chelsea? Get in touch on Twitter @Matt_Law_DT or by emailing [email protected] Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NikkiCFC 5,848 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Will any PL team give him starting spot on loan? He needs this clearly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomo 20,268 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 52 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Will any PL team give him starting spot on loan? He needs this clearly. The loans only well and good if he goes to an appropriate manager like Bielsa or Hassenhuttl. If the alternative is a Bruce/Dyche/Nuno managed team I'd rather he stayed here and we went down the City/Foden route. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneMoSalah 7,370 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 He grew into the game in the second half. Was a difficult start but Fulham pressed and they eventually tired. Showed a willingness to do the dirty stuff of the game also despite being less imposing than the blokes he was up against. Also didn’t help his partner, despite his excellent performance in the attacking aspect left him outnumbered. hace 9 minutos, Tomo dijo: The loans only well and good if he goes to an appropriate manager like Bielsa or Hassenhuttl. If the alternative is a Bruce/Dyche/Nuno managed team I'd rather he stayed here and we went down the City/Foden route. 100% agree. Maybe Wolves wouldn't actually be so bad tbf as they do have guys like Neves and Moutinho in there who are good MF players but Burnley and Newcastle would be a waste. Fulham would of actually been a very good move for him to be honest at the beginning of the season despite their struggles they try and play. Unfortunate he wont be at the Euros though, as a Scot would have loved to have seen him go but even if he played more I wouldn’t see him starting in the team at the moment. Plenty competition for MF roles with Scotland to the point where folk are still debating will David Turnbull be starting or not despite single handedly having been Celtic’s best player by a country mile this season and also being our most creative option in midfield, mainly due to how we play under Steve Clarke. Hopeful he gets a loan move next season. Leeds would be an excellent choice but is he going to be able to displace Kalvin Phillips? I think back up the road to Rangers would be his best shout in all honesty, they will probably have interest in Glen Kamara and Steven Davis is like 37 now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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