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3 minutes ago, ZaynChelsea said:

The next experiment 

Ten Hag would be a very risky appointment. It's hard to know whether managers at Ajax are actually good OR they are good only because of the system and setup Ajax have in place. Let's not forget that Frank de Boer and Peter Bosz also had success at Ajax but once they went elsewhere, their career took a nosedive. De Boer was sacked after 4 months at Inter, after 7 games at Crystal Palace, then went to manage in MLS for two years before getting the sack...again. Similar thing happened with Bosz, who got sacked at Dortmund after only 5 months, although he has seemingly rebuilt some credibility at Leverkusen.

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I can't actually believe how well coached we are. Puts it in further perspective when you see the garbage United and Arsenal are spewing. I love the fact Frank isn't so stubborn to try and do it

Our pressing game was superb, and made all the difference today! 4-3-3 with Mount and Havertz to harass opponents and Kante to sweep up behind...that's the way to go. And we have two bombing

Very confused, can only assume the ones being somewhat negative did not watch the game? Aside from Dave and Zouma, I thought we played really well against the European Champions. I was shocked at time

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Allegro did shit in Milan. Can‘t believe the stupidity of the people suggesting him.

My dream signing would be Simeone. He would bring everything Chelsea needs and he could be the next Mr Chelsea but that‘s not going to happen

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3 minutes ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Allegro did shit in Milan. Can‘t believe the stupidity of the people suggesting him.

My dream signing would be Simeone. He would bring everything Chelsea needs and he could be the next Mr Chelsea but that‘s not going to happen

This 100%

KTBFFH!!

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11 minutes ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Allegro did shit in Milan. 

Allegri did shit in Milan? :lol:

He was the last manager outside Juventus to win Serie A did with a Milan side who were hardly great apart from Ibrahimovic and Silva. 

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52 minutes ago, Jason said:

See what I mean what I said journalists out there make excuses for Lampard?

Matt Law somehow thinks the criticism has been because we lost 3 games in 4 all of a sudden and not because of wider issues/concerns with Lampard.

He should be ashamed of himself

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4 hours ago, Supermonkey92 said:

Pressing is difficult as a team you really have to work on it. We have never been a good pressing team we have players that can press well individually like mount and kante

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Try tell that to Leeds, Man City, Liverpool, Bayern and countless other teams around Europe who press well.

We pressed much much better under Sarri. And you could see what we were trying to do with the ball. Now we are very much a if the fullbacks cant do anything we are fucked side.

Pressing is coached. Nothing to do with the players being good at it or not. Look at Aguero at City when Pep came in, considered lazy but a world class player. Look at the difference in him now over last few seasons without the ball. Sterling too.

Also whoever posted Allegri did shit at Milan but they want Simeone here? Please. Allegri every day of the week. Simeone good coach no doubt but the squads not mentally tough enough for someone like him. 

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1 hour ago, Mana said:

The standards have been lowered since Sarri and it has lowered 100x more with Lampard. So these coaches listed, while not make us unbeatable they will shape the team much better.

Are you for serious? Sarri was one of the most admired and attractive manager at the time, did you forget we had a transfer ban before we hired Lampard? You are also saying our standard has been lowered after being the arguably the biggest spender in Europe. Actually our standard were much lower when he had Willian and many other deadwoods in the squad. We had Hazard and failed to surround him with better talent.

 

For god sake have some perspective man, it’s fair to say Lampard is not competent to lead this team forward, but in the grand scheme of things he has built a squad that is much better than before and someone else could win with.

Trial and error is part of football.

 

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What a BS article. Lampard is playing a 4-3-3 for a while now. He is not changing the system too often. He also only switched from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3, which is not that big of a difference. But what Bild does not say is that PL might be a better league than Bundesliga [emoji23]. Kai used to be really good as a false 9 and right winger, but now according to the article, he is only a playmaker in the CM role? In a 4-3-3, he is playing in the CM role, but Bild does not mention it lol.

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I agree, kai won't work on the right wing in the PL. False 9 might be interesting if Werner plays closer to him. I haven't ruled out a number 10 yet but an 8 in a 433 suits him well. He gets on the ball far more in a 433 than a 4231

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Try tell that to Leeds, Man City, Liverpool, Bayern and countless other teams around Europe who press well.
We pressed much much better under Sarri. And you could see what we were trying to do with the ball. Now we are very much a if the fullbacks cant do anything we are fucked side.
Pressing is coached. Nothing to do with the players being good at it or not. Look at Aguero at City when Pep came in, considered lazy but a world class player. Look at the difference in him now over last few seasons without the ball. Sterling too.
Also whoever posted Allegri did shit at Milan but they want Simeone here? Please. Allegri every day of the week. Simeone good coach no doubt but the squads not mentally tough enough for someone like him. 
They would nod in agreement lol they are all well coached teams by managers that have proven track records. Bayern have been well drilled since pep, as Man City have been. Bielsa excels at that style of football. It is his style of football. As has Klopp consistently coached that style of pressing for years.

None of these are exceptions to my point, they prove my point. You need to be well coached to press as a team. If pressing was easily coached, why aren't most teams good at pressing? Its all off the ball so it shouldn't be a matter of some being better than others.



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It's a minor problem in the grander scheme of problems but does anyone get annoyed by how Lampard passive and quiet looks on the touchline, especially when things aren't going well?

I know I have beaten this bush a lot but this comment from Mourinho rings truer with every passing bad game/result...

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1 hour ago, Clockwork said:

Are you for serious? Sarri was one of the most admired and attractive manager at the time, did you forget we had a transfer ban before we hired Lampard?

The standards have lowered because after 20+ years of management, Sarri never won a trophy. He was on the rise, but he still never won anything so our standards have lowered. Not as much, but it has.

What? A transfer ban shouldn't stop us from getting a top coach.

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You are also saying our standard has been lowered after being the arguably the biggest spender in Europe. Actually our standard were much lower when he had Willian and many other deadwoods in the squad. We had Hazard and failed to surround him with better talent.

You're not making sense. We didn't appoint Lampard this year. So using the 'biggest spender in Europe' card is invalid.

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For god sake have some perspective man, it’s fair to say Lampard is not competent to lead this team forward, but in the grand scheme of things he has built a squad that is much better than before and someone else could win with.

Trial and error is part of football.

He has built a squad that is much better than before? This current squad even AFTER spending £££s and Willian out of the picture, we are performing WORSE than last season! That's a fact!

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I'm worried that because of his status it will take a while to sack him; at the same time I do have hope in Abramovitch that he'll make the right call. I also hope Marina has started working in the background to locate possible replacements because the sooner Lampard is gone the better - there are fundamental issues which began from the first game of the season. 

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2 minutes ago, DANILA said:

I'm worried that because of his status it will take a while to sack him; at the same time I do have hope in Abramovitch that he'll make the right call. I also hope Marina has started working in the background to locate possible replacements because the sooner Lampard is gone the better - there are fundamental issues which began from the first game of the season. 

Tuchel for me. 
 

Can’t think of a better manager that would be able to get the best out of this group. Already has a connection with Pulisic and could potentially get Havertz and Werner firing again. 

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Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

Tuchel for me. 
 

Can’t think of a better manager that would be able to get the best out of this group. Already has a connection with Pulisic and could potentially get Havertz and Werner firing again. 

Tuchel looks good for me but my mate who is a BVB supporter said stay away... At the same time I don't think there's too many managers out there where every single football fan is a strong supporter of (maybe only Klopp, Pep, Nagelsmann, Simeone?)

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26 minutes ago, DANILA said:

Tuchel looks good for me but my mate who is a BVB supporter said stay away... At the same time I don't think there's too many managers out there where every single football fan is a strong supporter of (maybe only Klopp, Pep, Nagelsmann, Simeone?)

I've yet to hear a single reasonable argument on why we should stay away from Tuchel, other than his feuds over technical directors given they never saw eye to eye on transfers. 

On a football perspective, I can't think of any better alternative. 

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2 hours ago, Mana said:

The standards have lowered because after 20+ years of management, Sarri never won a trophy. He was on the rise, but he still never won anything so our standards have lowered. Not as much, but it has.

What? A transfer ban shouldn't stop us from getting a top coach.

You're not making sense. We didn't appoint Lampard this year. So using the 'biggest spender in Europe' card is invalid.

He has built a squad that is much better than before? This current squad even AFTER spending £££s and Willian out of the picture, we are performing WORSE than last season! That's a fact!

I disagree with your lining of reason, you can’t judge it in hindsight. Your intention might be ambitious or not, but it is not dependent on results.

Madrid hired Zidane after sacking Carlo, a coach as experienced as Lampard. Did you say they lack ambition at the time? His hiring resulted in unprecedented success in the CL. Barca hired a novice manager in Pep too. Madrid also hired Lopetegui who basically the same pedigree as Sarri, which failed, Barca hired a dozen of mediocre coaches post Pep.

The popular thinking at major clubs years ago was to hire a manager who had won before at other places, rinse and repeat. Pep, Zidane, Conte, etc have proven that is not the only way, in fact finding the right fit could lead to more success. 
 

personally I don’t think you even understand what the term ambition means, it is not synonymous with success.

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