Super Frank Thread

[bigbluewillie 1,805]

My just one complaint is sort out a back 4 and stick with it.

Then we'll still have the knockers and haters saying why is he playing doo dah and not doody iayay

One thing has been evident is that Alonso is a LWB and not a LB, but these last last couple of games he's been splendid as LWB

[Atomiswave 6,072]

15 hours ago, Tomo said:

I wouldn't, even the very best managers can only take limited teams so far as we know all to well, however the other way round - Avram Grant got dragged to a title race and two finals, Scolari won a world cup, Pellegrini won the league and Valverde won back to back titles.

And all those are better than FL in most ways. A quality mananger can get the absolute best of an average team, make them look better. An average manager cannot make the most of what he has in a quality squad. Scolari yes won the WC, but totally fluffed it here with an incredible squad. WC's etc cannot be compared to a League, its totally different circumstances. Man if we had that 2008 squad right now.

[Tomo 21,681]

2 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Man if we had that 2008 squad right now.

Exactly, we would be challenging despite the fact the manager still has a lot to learn just like how we did challenge with a man who went onto finish bottom at his next two clubs.

Flick it the other way round and actually the example you bring with Simeone is a good reference here. For all the good he's done that you rave about, since they won the league they've won one trophy in six years (two if you count super cups) which they were in in the first place due to failure to beat Qarabag twice and advance from the CL group stage. Would the fans accept that sort of return here? I think we both know the answer to that.

Basically the point I'm making is, give an average manager our 05/06 squad they may still win the league while not even Fergie would win the title with this one.

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2 hours ago, Tomo said:

Basically the point I'm making is, give an average manager our 05/06 squad they may still win the league while not even Fergie would win the title with this one.

Good points, yes FL would do damage with that monster squad in 05-06, but would we see them at their best? Would FL show their potential as a young JM did? No chance.

Nahh this one has no chance of a title no matter whom it is, but we can def be better, much more solid. You give a proper Conte this squad and top4 would have been done and dusted long long ago we would not be fighting for our dear lives.

[killer1257 3,282]

We will probably still win the league with an average manager - yes, but with a PL record of conceding 15 goals all season (or less?). I don't think so, especially with FL in charge.

Why shouldn't that be possible?
Mou for instance can't fix Spurs defence either, even though he coached our golden team?

Guardiola himself does not consider himself the best Coach because he himself said that he only won so much due to his players

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[MoroccanBlue 5,192]

I'd wager it is more likely for another club to become invincibles than another club to win the league and only conceded 15 goals. 

Madness. Honestly hate Anelka. We would of been invincibles and to have only conceded 14 goals!

[Henrique 9,133]

2 hours ago, Mana said:

Because Lampard doesn't know how to coach at the back. Nor his coaching staff. The hard evidence is there.

Mourinho doesn't have Rui Faria now unlike before and Faria made a huge difference with Mourinho.

Mourinho became outdated because the way teams defends right now is completely different the way they used to. His defensive system became outdated. Mourinho was essentially a reactive manager who tried to exploit mistakes made by his opponents: Ba goal after Gerrard made THAT mistake is sums up Mourinho football philosophy. Right now even smaller teams are trying a different approach and sometimes they will advance their defensive lines and try to force defenders to make mistakes. Even when teams are playing with 11 players behind the ball, its usually in a more advanced line to force the opponents to exchange passes between defenders, making the life a lot more difficult for the team who wants to create (think about Sarriball last season, the the team had the most of the possession, but most of if were David Luiz and Rudiger exchanging passes and Luiz trying his long passes), and thats also mean the CB needs to be more than a destroyer, and many managers are looking after CBs with great first touch and passing, and this is the reason why Sarri kept Luiz in his team.

Mourinho's last great job was 10 years ago with Inter. He belongs to the 00s. In past decade he was already outdated, in this decade he will be one of those manager who will pretty much get a job based in his past reputation. Football changed fast in last 10 years. Mourinho stagnated. Its too late to catch up.

[Tomo 21,681]

55 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I'd wager it is more likely for another club to become invincibles than another club to win the league and only conceded 15 goals. 

If Liverpool had Allison in from the start they may have been in with a shot of doing it this season, luckily for us that clown Adrian played for the first couple of months so they couldn't keep a clean sheet for shit.

Thankfully though it looks like they are starting to peak out and hit a more standard top team level so they've probably had their chance with that one.

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12 hours ago, killer1257 said:

Why shouldn't that be possible?
Mou for instance can't fix Spurs defence either, even though he coached our golden team?

Guardiola himself does not consider himself the best Coach because he himself said that he only won so much due to his players

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You are absolutely right. Any manager is as good as their player, that is 100% right. You can put klopp, Guardiola and saf combine and they won't win epl with Newcastle. 

But good manager can make team better and  bad manager can make them worse. 

[Tomo 21,681]

13 hours ago, Mana said:

Because Lampard doesn't know how to coach at the back. Nor his coaching staff. The hard evidence is there.

Mourinho doesn't have Rui Faria now unlike before and Faria made a huge difference with Mourinho.

That's one thing is looking true unfortunately and i even said as much in pre season. If it's something that can't be somewhat fixed with top quality defenders and top keeper then he should seriously consider bringing in a defensive coach (not JT, a proper specialist).

[NikkiCFC 7,563]

13 hours ago, Tomo said:

If Liverpool had Allison in from the start they may have been in with a shot of doing it this season, luckily for us that clown Adrian played for the first couple of months so they couldn't keep a clean sheet for shit.

Thankfully though it looks like they are starting to peak out and hit a more standard top team level so they've probably had their chance with that one.

Allison conceded 12 goals in 20 games. In full season no chance he would concede less then 20+ goals.

[Jase 43,479]

Tonight's performance against Liverpool was the kind of streetwise, pragmatic performance that was missing against Bayern. 

[OneMoSalah 8,611]

45 minutes ago, Jason said:

Tonight's performance against Liverpool was the kind of streetwise, pragmatic performance that was missing against Bayern. 

Not just Bayern. Ajax, Man United, Man City amongst others. This is how we should look to play against bigger teams or in certain tricky games. 

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Not just Bayern. Ajax, Man United, Man City amongst others. This is how we should look to play against bigger teams or in certain tricky games. 

The performance at City was okay, IMO. We played relatively well, weren't blown away but just didn't have enough firepower to trouble them. 

Agree with the others and don't forget that silly basketball game at Valencia! 

[Laylabelle 9,292]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Tonight's performance against Liverpool was the kind of streetwise, pragmatic performance that was missing against Bayern. 

This is how we need to start being game in game out. No point winning the big games then going odd in the others. No stupid defensive moments..we didnt concede from a corner! It can be done

[ZaynChelsea 423]

Throwing Gilmour into the match was a genius move. There is a lot to criticize concerning Frank but who would have thrown an 18 years old kid into such a match. Lamps really got an eye for that. Well done

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3 hours ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Throwing Gilmour into the match was a genius move. There is a lot to criticize concerning Frank but who would have thrown an 18 years old kid into such a match. Lamps really got an eye for that. Well done

Playing Gilmour for Jorginho as well. We've identified a good player for the base of the midfield. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

4 hours ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Throwing Gilmour into the match was a genius move. There is a lot to criticize concerning Frank but who would have thrown an 18 years old kid into such a match. Lamps really got an eye for that. Well done

Its the youth. Obviously it will take at least 2 seasons to have some clue what can be done with this team. People calling for franks head should understand it will take patience and maybe we will have a killer side with plenty of youth.