Special Juan 26,029 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Good, keep talking, better players in my under 9's team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper 22,349 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 36 minutes ago, Jason said: Firstly, Jorginho agent really likes to open his mouth, doesn't he? Secondly, his agent keeps on talking like Jorginho himself is widely wanted by the major clubs in Europe. 🙄 I am so depressed every time I see him on the pitch for us it is like when Lampard was ramming Azpi in at LB its capitulation It is just crazy how many shit buys we have made since summer of 2017 IF Werner and Havertz actually shock me and totally go bust plus Pulisic ends up being too injury-prone to do much with (plus, and this would just be the back-breaker, Ziyech goes the Pulisic route) we have basically semi-destroyed the club soon (other than if the youth products come good in a huge way) so many are rapidly ageing and so many are unsaleable and their contracts soon run out, so might leave on frees our dregs are TRULY dregs, as in NOBODY really wants them, or wants them for damn near free cost I can say this with 100, no 1000000000% certainty Lampard can NEVER survive a Werner/Havertz combined fail zero chance and Roman surely will pack it in if all but Chilwell (just speaking of the 6 thsi summer) are trash/perma injury/ and/or gone in 2 years (as Thiago is too old to count on beyond next season, Kante, who obviously we are going to keep until he is ready to go to MLS or Arabia in 2, 3 years max) Roman would be insane to keep tossing in hundreds of millions IF we have over £400m or so in bust buys in last 3 or 4 years, plus Marina and the board of selling in timely fashion and losing another 300, £400m we also will have no new stadium for well over a decade or more (if ever under Roman) I am in a very dark place if I start thinking about the two Germans being busts dog help us all if they are and if Puli is a perma glass doll if that happens, thsi is not the type of shit we can buy our way out of the team will not be in CL and thus, combined with a tiny, obsolete stadium, and the loan army disappearing (the bigger ones, as their contracts run out), plus Brexit now blocking lower cost buys of high potential younger EU players we will slide hard down for years we really will become the new Arsenal we really are in an incredibly dangerous place if these buys do not work out COVID-19 market is the final (or one of the final) nails in coffin we are not going to get SHIT for all these giant name sales when I can start to do a final tally on the lost revenue due to our failures at time sales, it is going to be jaw dropping, I think it will be closing in on 450m or so just from the refused sales of Willian and Alonso its going to end up around £100m lost and that is but two players add in the total net loss when Kepa is sold off (counting a huge chunk of his salary as well), plus the Drinkwater complete shit away of £60m, and we are up to damn near £250m in net loss when the books are closed out and that is now only for FOUR players yes, Hazard and Costa and Morata were brilliant business, but all that £130m or so (which is the net profit between the 3) profit is just crushed by hundreds of millions in bollocksed up other buys and refused sales, the shit truly does start to add up, and add up exponentially if most of the buys goes bust (from Pulisic onward) it might be us as a top 4 force-destroying as well many miles to go before we get to that level of disaster, but the path to it can at least be seen 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alabama 1,873 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 13 hours ago, Vesper said: I am so depressed every time I see him on the pitch for us it is like when Lampard was ramming Azpi in at LB its capitulation It is just crazy how many shit buys we have made since summer of 2017 IF Werner and Havertz actually shock me and totally go bust plus Pulisic ends up being too injury-prone to do much with (plus, and this would just be the back-breaker, Ziyech goes the Pulisic route) we have basically semi-destroyed the club soon (other than if the youth products come good in a huge way) so many are rapidly ageing and so many are unsaleable and their contracts soon run out, so might leave on frees our dregs are TRULY dregs, as in NOBODY really wants them, or wants them for damn near free cost I can say this with 100, no 1000000000% certainty Lampard can NEVER survive a Werner/Havertz combined fail zero chance and Roman surely will pack it in if all but Chilwell (just speaking of the 6 thsi summer) are trash/perma injury/ and/or gone in 2 years (as Thiago is too old to count on beyond next season, Kante, who obviously we are going to keep until he is ready to go to MLS or Arabia in 2, 3 years max) Roman would be insane to keep tossing in hundreds of millions IF we have over £400m or so in bust buys in last 3 or 4 years, plus Marina and the board of selling in timely fashion and losing another 300, £400m we also will have no new stadium for well over a decade or more (if ever under Roman) I am in a very dark place if I start thinking about the two Germans being busts dog help us all if they are and if Puli is a perma glass doll if that happens, thsi is not the type of shit we can buy our way out of the team will not be in CL and thus, combined with a tiny, obsolete stadium, and the loan army disappearing (the bigger ones, as their contracts run out), plus Brexit now blocking lower cost buys of high potential younger EU players we will slide hard down for years we really will become the new Arsenal we really are in an incredibly dangerous place if these buys do not work out COVID-19 market is the final (or one of the final) nails in coffin we are not going to get SHIT for all these giant name sales when I can start to do a final tally on the lost revenue due to our failures at time sales, it is going to be jaw dropping, I think it will be closing in on 450m or so just from the refused sales of Willian and Alonso its going to end up around £100m lost and that is but two players add in the total net loss when Kepa is sold off (counting a huge chunk of his salary as well), plus the Drinkwater complete shit away of £60m, and we are up to damn near £250m in net loss when the books are closed out and that is now only for FOUR players yes, Hazard and Costa and Morata were brilliant business, but all that £130m or so (which is the net profit between the 3) profit is just crushed by hundreds of millions in bollocksed up other buys and refused sales, the shit truly does start to add up, and add up exponentially if most of the buys goes bust (from Pulisic onward) it might be us as a top 4 force-destroying as well many miles to go before we get to that level of disaster, but the path to it can at least be seen Agree with lots of your assessments but Kai and Timo cant become shit....the level of their talent is too much for that...although they might not make it here but at the end of the day they will surely make it just hope its here.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NikkiCFC 5,989 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I do not understand why so much hate for him. Last 12 PL games: Jorginho starts: 5 wins and 2 draws. Jorginho does not start: 5 losses! In the last couple of days Sherwood and Maddison praising him to heaven only our fanbase do not rate him... Pep wanted him... Plays great for Italy. He did not cost us one single goal this season we mostly have 70% or more possession which is his main task... What else people want? On Shed End people voted him for MOTM against Spurs but not single vote here. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneMoSalah 7,478 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 8 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: I do not understand why so much hate for him. Last 12 PL games: Jorginho starts: 5 wins and 2 draws. Jorginho does not start: 5 losses! In the last couple of days Sherwood and Maddison praising him to heaven only our fanbase do not rate him... Pep wanted him... Plays great for Italy. He did not cost us one single goal this season we mostly have 70% or more possession which is his main task... What else people want? On Shed End people voted him for MOTM against Spurs but not single vote here. Unfortunately he’s just someone who people don’t seem to see the value in having someone like him in the team despite his obvious quality at retaining possession and the fact Tuchel is heavy possession orientated. He will be a key cog under Tuchel I feel. No surprise hes recalled him and no surprise we played our best football in the last 2 seasons with him, Kovacic and Mount in the first 11. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magic Lamps 9,685 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, milka said: how has he been MOTM 3 times when CHO was MOTM vs Wolves and Burnley whilst Werner was MOTM on Sunday. The Jorginho fanboys are hyping him up again when he is all but a stopgap 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZAPHOD2319 1,206 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 I don't know that he is a stop gap when Tuchel has been trying to get him at PSG. He might be here for years to come. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magic Lamps 9,685 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said: I don't know that he is a stop gap when Tuchel has been trying to get him at PSG. He might be here for years to come. On the plus side bc he has the body and pace of a 14 y.o. anyway he will not really regress physically with age. I get that he has a football brain and is of some value when distributing balls around a parked bus. But off the ball he is almost useless when opponents charge at him and on the ball he is only good at simple short passes. Can't deal with any kind of intensity. His long passing is decidedly average. No idea why anyone rates this kind of player this much when there have been decades where most elite midfielders could easily do what he does and some. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atomiswave 5,755 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 If he plays like this under TT im all for it.....but he has to keep it up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hamilton 1,928 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Who would have tought this guy was walking in the team again It looks Tuchel has a plan with him, if the points keep coming I don’t mind I guess, but why did he turn back to his ugly penalty jump on Sunday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldportblue 537 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 imo the only negative of tuchel's tenure so far is his love for jorgihno... to me he is a weak and slow player, his long balls are below average, he gets spun in midfield very often when teams attack us and he can't shoot, score or assist. The stat someone posted above that he has been motm 3 times in 4 games is pure fiction, he was dreadful a couple of times and him taking the pens covered up those poor performances in the player ratings... I can easily see him being exposed by a team with quality going forward that actually wants to attack... that has not been the case for any of the 4 teams we've played under tuchel so far and even the little attacking sheffield did do, they ran around him like he was a cone in midfield... I hope I'm wrong about him in the long term as tuchel seems to love him but I don't love what I've seen from him in the 2+ years he's been at Chelsea so far 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jas 42,933 Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 Imagine going from worshipping Fabregas' passing capability - and not to mention, his creativity - to worshipping Jorginho's. How the standards have fallen... 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldportblue 537 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Jason said: Imagine going from worshipping Fabregas' passing capability - and not to mention, his creativity - to worshipping Jorginho's. How the standards have fallen... it's night and day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Miguelito 454 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Jason said: Imagine going from worshipping Fabregas' passing capability - and not to mention, his creativity - to worshipping Jorginho's. How the standards have fallen... Why does it have to be one or the other? It's not black and white. They're totally different players. Fab was much more of risk taker, brilliant creativity, long pass specialist. But he didn't control the tempo like jorginho does. He ran the show often but in a much different way. He was a decisive player who biggest impacts were often directly involved with goals. Jorginho is a person who dictates tempo much more, keeps things flowing, creates a ton of space for teammates, but offers shorter passes. He is a player who's impact is often not directly involved with goals, but overall play. You can appreciate both. I do. And I say that even though I wish gilmour would play more often over jorgi. No doubt jorgi has been brilliant since TT has taken over. Edited February 9 by Miguelito 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OneMoSalah 7,478 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 27 minutes ago, oldportblue said: imo the only negative of tuchel's tenure so far is his love for jorgihno... to me he is a weak and slow player, his long balls are below average, he gets spun in midfield very often when teams attack us and he can't shoot, score or assist. The stat someone posted above that he has been motm 3 times in 4 games is pure fiction, he was dreadful a couple of times and him taking the pens covered up those poor performances in the player ratings... I can easily see him being exposed by a team with quality going forward that actually wants to attack... that has not been the case for any of the 4 teams we've played under tuchel so far and even the little attacking sheffield did do, they ran around him like he was a cone in midfield... I hope I'm wrong about him in the long term as tuchel seems to love him but I don't love what I've seen from him in the 2+ years he's been at Chelsea so far He has been one of our best players under Tuchel.... him and Kovacic’s first half v Spurs was as good as I have seen from one of our midfield duos since Kante and Matic v Everton in the 5-0 game at the Bridge under Conte. I know they faded but the whole team did. Theyve kept playing at a decent level and hopefully it continues. The only negative has probably been the reintroduction of Rudiger who showed how clueless he is v Sheffield with that OG that sums him up. Edited February 9 by OneMoSalah Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atomiswave 5,755 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 26 minutes ago, Jason said: Imagine going from worshipping Fabregas' passing capability - and not to mention, his creativity - to worshipping Jorginho's. How the standards have fallen... You cant compare Jason.....besides very few players had the abilities of Fab 2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: He has been one of our best players under Tuchel.... him and Kovacic’s first half v Spurs was as good as I have seen from one of our midfield duos since Kante and Matic v Everton in the 5-0 game at the Bridge under Conte. I know they faded but the whole team did. Theyve kept playing at a decent level and hopefully it continues. The only negative has probably been the reintroduction of Rudiger who showed how clueless he is v Sheffield with that OG that sums him up. Yeah he fucked up there for sure but I will say he more than redeemed himself after that blunder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oldportblue 537 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 6 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: He has been one of our best players under Tuchel.... him and Kovacic’s first half v Spurs was as good as I have seen from one of our midfield duos since Kante and Matic v Everton in the 5-0 game at the Bridge under Conte. I know they faded but the whole team did. Theyve kept playing at a decent level and hopefully it continues. The only negative has probably been the reintroduction of Rudiger who showed how clueless he is v Sheffield with that OG that sums him up. agree about rudiger tbh... I just feel their contributions have been been made to look better than they truly are because we have played teams that did not attack us, and that includes spurs who parked the bus and offered literally nothing going forward. The real tests will come in games v. teams that aren't afraid of going at us. If they continue playing well then, then fair enough and I will hold my hand up Edited February 9 by oldportblue Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jas 42,933 Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: You cant compare Jason.....besides very few players had the abilities of Fab Can't compare? You have people talking about Jorginho's passing like it's so WOW when it's nowhere near that. Imagine thinking his passing and the passing range is good after seeing what Fabregas did for us. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atomiswave 5,755 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 4 minutes ago, Jason said: Can't compare? You have people talking about Jorginho's passing like it's so WOW when it's nowhere near that. Imagine thinking his passing and the passing range is good after seeing what Fabregas did for us. I dont know about all that but I for one will not compare the 2, non compatible....not similar at all. Im sure Jorgi will be good under TT but he will not be a Fab level player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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