Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[Special Juan 28,119]

 

[Costa19 858]

8 minutes ago, Mana said:

He stormed off kicking the bottle. He was being overdramatic unnecessarily.

Well.. compared to Jose/Conte antics on the sideline, thats not very much drama right?

[Special Juan 28,119]

His technique was good when he kicked his cap, he should of been taking our corners all season.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

On 6/12/2019 at 11:41 AM, Magic Lamps said:

I feel that Ten Haag would fail spectacularly just as Bosch did at BVB. We would collapse defensively. I think Allegri is the only way we can win things in the next few years. With Hazard gone we have basically a mid-table squad with luxurious depth. Our only world class player is Kante with Kepa and Rüdiger coming closest, all more defensvie than offensive players. So IMO our new manager should know how to build a team around a defensive foundation. Allegri does.

When Conte came here we ripped up the league without major spending and with inferior squads compard to the Manc teams. We did so because his tactics here caught the league on the wrong foot and once they adapted we were out of reach. Now without the quality of Costa and hazard, the only way i see us reaching top 4 is grinding out results. Allegri managed to teach Juve 3 different formations in no time. If he can recreate that here, i think we have a chance to reach top 4 adn win the odd cup. If ofc our objective is to transform into this bullshit posession football philosophy then he might not be the right man. But neither is Lampard or Ten haag. Lampard is out of his depth given the situation. Even if he will be given time and no title objectives, he might very well lose the players with all the rotten illoyal guys we still have at the club and can not get rid of. You can not transform the identity of a club without buying and selling players. If this is really what we want then prepare to suffer, because continuing Sarris work here wil make us uncompetitive for years. Now, we still have time to revert ot what we are good at.

Sorry mate but thats like short term thinking again. Allegri comes, brings us back to 4th and sure we have CL and we can buy next season, but if you say defensive stability, you can forget on youth. James, CHO will be sacrificed for more proven players. 

And secondly, Conte didnt get the support in second season and he was also read by other teams. The defensive approach is ancient. We obviously have to move forward if we want to get somewhere.

Under Allegri, we might finish 4th, but zero future perspective. With Ten Hag, we will likely suck next year (like Pool did in the start), but our foundations would be set. 

Anyway, our board doesnt support anyone, so whoever comes will get the boot soon while Marina receives a bonus paycheck for well balanced books.

[Special Juan 28,119]

Marina will get a massive pat on the back from the boardroom members for getting Juve to cough up 7M

[BlueLyon 9,359]

18 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Marina will get a massive pat on the back from the boardroom members for getting Juve to cough up 7M

Selling Hazard for up to 130m earned her a long vacations too. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, y10edn said:

he stabilised the club, no drama like Jose and to a less extent Conte.

Stabilized the club? No drama like Mourinho/Conte?

That's kinda ironic considering we just went through another roller-coaster of a season. As Mana said above, Sarri overreacted - on his part - in the League Cup final and the day before the Europa League final. And on top of that, this was the same fella who blamed the players for the defeats we suffered - e.g the players' mentality is bad, Kante didn't follow instructions - remember that? Sound familiar? He rarely took responsibility for the defeats and put the blame on others, much like Mourinho and to an extent Conte. Only difference is he said it in a less aggressive manner than Mourinho/Conte and hence why no said anything. 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

1 hour ago, y10edn said:

most of you made his life difficult, hope we don't regret this. It is mad to complain as much and kick the guy around in his 1st season, like Mourinho said about Drogba's signing 'judge him when he leaves'. this guy could have built something great here. he stabilised the club, no drama like Jose and to a less extent Conte. I saw every game at home and a few away, first 10 games were good, then like all marathons, blips and turns but we came 3rd, lost on penalty to the treble champions in the c cup and won the Europa. How many of those players would Juve, Real and Barcelona come knocking for? 1-2 at most, we had a good hand but let it slipped, this is not the board, its the fans.

 

FUCK RIGHT OFF. I went to nearly all the home games last year did a few away games not as many as I hoped and to blame the fans is ridiculous. When you've paid your money your entitled to moan doesn't matter whether it's football, theatre, cinema your entitled to show your displeasure in whatever form you choose. Sarri is a cold fish you don't have to have a massive personality to be a football manager but at least occasionally show the fans your onside.

Losing to Spurs questions were being asked and then losing to Wolves, Arsenal, Bournemouth, City, United in the cup and then losing 1-0 to Cardiff before scraping a win the fans have every right to complain and I joined in against Man United in the cup and not for the first time supporting Chelsea I can tell you.

Besides if Allegri hadn't left Juve then Sarri would have been here next season. Whatever you think about Benitez he got it far worse than Sarri did the manager getting booed by the fans is the one constant in football whether you support Chelsea or Fleetwood Town.

 

[Special Juan 28,119]

17 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

FUCK RIGHT OFF. I went to nearly all the home games last year did a few away games not as many as I hoped and to blame the fans is ridiculous. When you've paid your money your entitled to moan doesn't matter whether it's football, theatre, cinema your entitled to show your displeasure in whatever form you choose. Sarri is a cold fish you don't have to have a massive personality to be a football manager but at least occasionally show the fans your onside.

Losing to Spurs questions were being asked and then losing to Wolves, Arsenal, Bournemouth, City, United in the cup and then losing 1-0 to Cardiff before scraping a win the fans have every right to complain and I joined in against Man United in the cup and not for the first time supporting Chelsea I can tell you.

Besides if Allegri hadn't left Juve then Sarri would have been here next season. Whatever you think about Benitez he got it far worse than Sarri did the manager getting booed by the fans is the one constant in football whether you support Chelsea or Fleetwood Town.

 

@Iggy Doonican please get your point across without telling folks to fuck off please.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

Sorry mate but thats like short term thinking again. Allegri comes, brings us back to 4th and sure we have CL and we can buy next season, but if you say defensive stability, you can forget on youth. James, CHO will be sacrificed for more proven players. 

And secondly, Conte didnt get the support in second season and he was also read by other teams. The defensive approach is ancient. We obviously have to move forward if we want to get somewhere.

Under Allegri, we might finish 4th, but zero future perspective. With Ten Hag, we will likely suck next year (like Pool did in the start), but our foundations would be set. 

Anyway, our board doesnt support anyone, so whoever comes will get the boot soon while Marina receives a bonus paycheck for well balanced books.

I think the posession approach is even more ancient. the key to modern football is speed and accuracy. both in mind and in the foot. Most goals come within 10 seconds of a team losing posession. The team who is sharp, quick to react and clinical in execution is the one to prevail. Liveprool won the CL like that and probably most leagues where also decided by the teams playing like this. Klopp created a team with maybe 3,4 world class players that matches peps 15 world class players squad by perfecting the transition. going from pressing to attacking to sitting deep to counter attacking. You can pass some small teams into submission but not the ones who are coached well. I rather trust Allegri get our players working like that than Ten Haag who may mould some talents into his ideas of football but we need someone to coach experienced divas like the ones we have. 

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

35 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

@Iggy Doonican please get your point across without telling folks to fuck off please.

Fair enough sorry.

[coolhead23 1,147]

2 hours ago, y10edn said:

most of you made his life difficult, hope we don't regret this. It is mad to complain as much and kick the guy around in his 1st season, like Mourinho said about Drogba's signing 'judge him when he leaves'. this guy could have built something great here. he stabilised the club, no drama like Jose and to a less extent Conte. I saw every game at home and a few away, first 10 games were good, then like all marathons, blips and turns but we came 3rd, lost on penalty to the treble champions in the c cup and won the Europa. How many of those players would Juve, Real and Barcelona come knocking for? 1-2 at most, we had a good hand but let it slipped, this is not the board, its the fans.

 

Sarri made it difficult for himself ... During the early part when teams didnt understand him Sarri managed to get wins but once his strategy was found out ... it is then he didnt have a plan B. The reason Sarri is getting the stick is because he kept trying the same thing over and over again expecting positive results. There are total of only 2 games after Nov (once the opposition read him) i.e. the City and the final of the Europa where we looked like a team other wise we were poor & it boils down to the manager. 

I also believe he could have had more players but he didnt request for more ... we got Jorginho & Higaiun who are clearly his signing, 

We only came 3rd not on our merit but on others failure ... ideally we would have finished outside the top 4 and would have made it in the CL only by virtue of Europa for which we were favs. 

So even if he goes (which i dont like abt managers) I dont think we would have missed much. 

 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

8 minutes ago, coolhead23 said:

Sarri made it difficult for himself ... During the early part when teams didnt understand him Sarri managed to get wins but once his strategy was found out ... it is then he didnt have a plan B. The reason Sarri is getting the stick is because he kept trying the same thing over and over again expecting positive results. There are total of only 2 games after Nov (once the opposition read him) i.e. the City and the final of the Europa where we looked like a team other wise we were poor & it boils down to the manager. 

I also believe he could have had more players but he didnt request for more ... we got Jorginho & Higaiun who are clearly his signing, 

We only came 3rd not on our merit but on others failure ... ideally we would have finished outside the top 4 and would have made it in the CL only by virtue of Europa for which we were favs. 

So even if he goes (which i dont like abt managers) I dont think we would have missed much. 

 

This we looked like shit and the amount of points we picked up in the second half of the season is shameful. The others were just as poor no denying. But if Emery in his first season and a loser mentality club, Rookie manager Ole taking over Mourinho's shit show and Spurs with all their injuries are the yardstick then good night. 

Even more shameful is however how we played against the smallest of sides with stupid errors, no clear offensive plan except giving Hazard and later RLC the ball and hope for the best. Even when we won we really rode our luck whilst most of our defeats we realyl deserved. On the surface it looks like a successful season and i am ecstatic with 3rd place and cup win but having watched 95% of our games the past 14 seasons, i rage quitted so damn often this season just because we were so gutless, frustrating, boring and one-dimensional etc  As a chelsea fan and as a football fan i will surely not miss him. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

51 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I think the posession approach is even more ancient. the key to modern football is speed and accuracy. both in mind and in the foot. Most goals come within 10 seconds of a team losing posession. The team who is sharp, quick to react and clinical in execution is the one to prevail. Liveprool won the CL like that and probably most leagues where also decided by the teams playing like this. Klopp created a team with maybe 3,4 world class players that matches peps 15 world class players squad by perfecting the transition. going from pressing to attacking to sitting deep to counter attacking. You can pass some small teams into submission but not the ones who are coached well. I rather trust Allegri get our players working like that than Ten Haag who may mould some talents into his ideas of football but we need someone to coach experienced divas like the ones we have. 

The experienced divas that we have (I guess you mean Willian, Pedro,...) can all leave next season. They shouldnt be priority in coaching. We need a manager that will make the most of youth. We have at least 5 young players that could be world class or at least very good. And they could be here for a long time. 

As for attacking football, I agree with you; I meant fast Pool styled football, not possession based one.

Still Ten Hag can implement that; or Jardim. Allegri is pragmatic and would be parking the bus every second game because of the squad we have. And he isnt even that good that would  bring confidence we can end up in 4th place. Amyway Allegri is off the table, we will likely land Lamps.

He will absolutely flop if he isnt given trust and time.

[coolhead23 1,147]

3 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

This we looked like shit and the amount of points we picked up in the second half of the season is shameful. The others were just as poor no denying. But if Emery in his first season and a loser mentality club, Rookie manager Ole taking over Mourinho's shit show and Spurs with all their injuries are the yardstick then good night. 

Thats why Sarri got the stick and I'm sure if tomm a new manager (who ever it is) does the same will get the stick unless we have a "Ty" amongst us.